South Dakota St.

[jackedforlife]

Redbird fans, your team came to play today. physical swarming D and when the RBs made the 2nd level they punished our guys with several broken arm tackles and trucks. We SDSU fans question our offensive playcalling as well, in fact someone in my section joked in OT that our OC was calling your plays. I''ll agree that OC's on both sides had some questionable calls all game. I wish you the best against the bison next week, not an easy task but they can be beat. Good Luck!

 

[saxman210]

"We were backed up," Spack said. "I didn't think it was wise to risk a turnover. If we would had a good play early, we would have tried to throw it."
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[Brick]

I am amazed how so many are now willing to throw Spack and the coaching staff under the bus. He took a program that wasn’t even mediocre and turned it into a national power on our level in the toughest football conference. Not
To mention that virtually the whole team will be back next year. In reality we are probably a year away. We nearly beat the #6 team in the nation at their place. Jeez!!!

 

[Virginia Redbird]

When I realized that we were playing the #6 FCS team on their field with our #2 QB I thought the game could really get away from us so I was pleased with how our guys battled to the end of regulation and beyond. I thought the defense in particular played well - Barry, Conley, Harris etc.

This team has played better as an underdog so I'm hoping for another strong effort against NDSU. If they Ball Out for 4 quarters and come up with one more big play the Redbirds can win and extend their season.

I expect this is a minority opinion, but I think if we play well against the herd, that's gonna get us in. No question, we've been beat, but the ugly dogs are the only bad loss. Got a couple goods wins to overwhelm that one bad loss.

Just my opinion but I think the Western loss is a much worse loss than the Southern game. Southern was one of those games the Birds just never had it going in their favor with any aspect of the game. Western they had a 14-0 halftime lead and just did not show up in any manner in the second half. Sometimes every team has a game like Southern (okay except for NDSU). Western was a total embarrassing collapse for the Redbirds.

 

[RBFANTOO]

Then in OT, we inexplicably decide to throw 3 straight passes given all the obvious arguments against doing so ... small field, clock doesn't matter, our run game was working very well ... mind blowing that we put our hopes on our RS FR QB who clearly had been struggling to throw most of the game.

I will never understand this decision. :think:

 

[Virginia Redbird]

I have not changed my opinion that Kolbe is still the best option for now at QB. Good to get Broadnax some game time and I thought he played pretty well but he is very suspect at the passing game. That inability to execute the passing game directly impacted the ability of the coaching staff to call the plays they likely would have preferred to call but you have to factor in the personnel on the field so...
Coaches have to make decisions and then they have to live with them. Yes, if Broadnax throws a pick 6 (a real possibility) at the end of the game as they try to win it in regulation the coaching staff gets battered with complaints...welcome to coaching. My own opinion is you are on the road against the #6 team with all three time outs and a minute left in regulation...try to win it and go home. Yes, you have a solid kicker but as we saw s###t happens.
I have been consistent with my dislike of the Co-Offensive Coordinator thing since early last season and I still think this team needs a single solid O coordinator. Maybe next season that gets changed.
I think it will be a spirited QB battle next spring and into the fall and not certain Kolbe or Broadnax come out as QB #1. The Birds have to find a consistent passing QB. You cant win without a QB that can consistently pass the ball no matter how well he runs...unless you are running the option. Of course nobody knows football but Birdfan 4life so...Never Mind.
Let's hope for a regular season ending win against the Bison next week.

 

[rdt99]

Three pass plays in overtime! Stupid coaching. I do not like ore offensive coordinators.

 

[fourthandshort]

Again, I don’t think that we should have been throwing the ball at the end of regulation. I think we should have been managing the clock, running the ball which was our strength and using our timeouts if need be. We literally got the ball and sat on it for the last 1:15 rather make any attempt at scoring. All I wanted was to see ya TRY to get in field goal range, on the ground if need be. When you’re gashing them for 4.2 ypc, why not TRY to use your timeouts and get a couple more cracks at busting a big one into field goal range?

I hate having had the ball and 3 timeouts and not trying to run plays with the game on the line. THAT is my complaint. We could have had 3 more plays to try to get into FG range if we had used our timeouts.

“A bullet out of the barrel is a chance, a bullet still in your gun is nothing.” USE THE TIMEOUTS, extend the game, TRY for positive yardage.

:text-+1:

this is the main issue ... clock management at end of regulation (not play calling) and then play calling in OT.

I agreed with starting conservatively .. same as I did on the WIU game drive before half ... but then disagreed once we got the 1st down on our 31 .. with 3 TOs left ... we had very little to lose by using our timeouts on the ensuing 2 plays, or hurrying up on 1st play after 1st down, the using timeouts if we are making yards .. then if we get nothing on our first 2 plays,, we let the clock run out after 3rd down. That made no sense whatsoever. I realize our offense has some weak spots, but you have to have more confidence in your team than that. Same exact issue with end of 1st half of WIU game.

That said and beaten to death ... our Coaches deserve a lot of credit for game planning, player preparation, and play calling all game. We nearly beat the #6 team in country who just beat #2 NDSU by 12 the week before .. and we did this wth a backup RS FR QB who clearly was not ready to execute a pass game.

To the people ... mostly trolls and/or chronic complainers who don't even post until there is something to complain about ... who spout off about Spack as if he has accomplished nothing at ISU and should be fired ... you have no frickin clue what it takes to do what we did yesterday with a QB that you know isn't close to ready to make the throws to keep their defense honest and then to be in a position to win a game. Look at SDSU offense .. loaded everywhere. Look at our offense .. holes everywhere. But we took them to OT.

Some of you trolls and chronic malcontents really need to get some perspective. Most of you don't post until there is something to b-tch about .. then you go all postal. Get real .. get some balance and objectivity in your thinking. You are so predictable in this regard.

 

[fourthandshort]

I have not changed my opinion that Kolbe is still the best option for now at QB. Good to get Broadnax some game time and I thought he played pretty well but he is very suspect at the passing game. That inability to execute the passing game directly impacted the ability of the coaching staff to call the plays they likely would have preferred to call but you have to factor in the personnel on the field so...
Coaches have to make decisions and then they have to live with them. Yes, if Broadnax throws a pick 6 (a real possibility) at the end of the game as they try to win it in regulation the coaching staff gets battered with complaints...welcome to coaching. My own opinion is you are on the road against the #6 team with all three time outs and a minute left in regulation...try to win it and go home. Yes, you have a solid kicker but as we saw s###t happens.
I have been consistent with my dislike of the Co-Offensive Coordinator thing since early last season and I still think this team needs a single solid O coordinator. Maybe next season that gets changed.
I think it will be a spirited QB battle next spring and into the fall and not certain Kolbe or Broadnax come out as QB #1. The Birds have to find a consistent passing QB. You cant win without a QB that can consistently pass the ball no matter how well he runs...unless you are running the option. Of course nobody knows football but Birdfan 4life so...Never Mind.
Let's hope for a regular season ending win against the Bison next week.

Good post VA RB ... I really hope Kolbe is ready to go next week, and that we construct a game plan to use both Kolbe and Broadnax, even some packages with both on field at same time, but more Kolbe than Broadnax. NDSU run defense is going to be tougher than SDSU's .. though playing at home for our playoff lives might give s the edge we need next week.

just like Robinson and Smith have embraced their shared role ...Kolbe and Broadnax need to embrace a shared role. Not ideal for QB position, but it gives s the best chance to win, and forces teams to game plan for more options.

OC needs to remember what works given his personnel, the opponent, and the game - stop panicking or over-thinking. You had a good game plan, so WTF caused you to pass 3 straight times in OT ?

Coach Spack needs to gain more conviction in playing to win in certain situations ... simple as that. WIU at half and SDSU at end of regulation .. once we got those initial 1st downs, you needed to change strategy. Playing not to lose at each of those points was a mistake.

 

[TIMMY]

I agreed with starting conservatively .. same as I did on the WIU game drive before half ... but then disagreed once we got the 1st down on our 31 .. with 3 TOs left ... we had very little to lose by using our timeouts on the ensuing 2 plays, or hurrying up on 1st play after 1st down, the using timeouts if we are making yards .. then if we get nothing on our first 2 plays,, we let the clock run out after 3rd down. That made no sense whatsoever.

We had 3 timeouts. How many did they have?

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Again, I don’t think that we should have been throwing the ball at the end of regulation. I think we should have been managing the clock, running the ball which was our strength and using our timeouts if need be. We literally got the ball and sat on it for the last 1:15 rather make any attempt at scoring. All I wanted was to see ya TRY to get in field goal range, on the ground if need be. When you’re gashing them for 4.2 ypc, why not TRY to use your timeouts and get a couple more cracks at busting a big one into field goal range?

I hate having had the ball and 3 timeouts and not trying to run plays with the game on the line. THAT is my complaint. We could have had 3 more plays to try to get into FG range if we had used our timeouts.

“A bullet out of the barrel is a chance, a bullet still in your gun is nothing.” USE THE TIMEOUTS, extend the game, TRY for positive yardage.

:text-+1:

this is the main issue ... clock management at end of regulation (not play calling) and then play calling in OT.

I agreed with starting conservatively .. same as I did on the WIU game drive before half ... but then disagreed once we got the 1st down on our 31 .. with 3 TOs left ... we had very little to lose by using our timeouts on the ensuing 2 plays, or hurrying up on 1st play after 1st down, the using timeouts if we are making yards .. then if we get nothing on our first 2 plays,, we let the clock run out after 3rd down. That made no sense whatsoever. I realize our offense has some weak spots, but you have to have more confidence in your team than that. Same exact issue with end of 1st half of WIU game.

That said and beaten to death ... our Coaches deserve a lot of credit for game planning, player preparation, and play calling all game. We nearly beat the #6 team in country who just beat #2 NDSU by 12 the week before .. and we did this wth a backup RS FR QB who clearly was not ready to execute a pass game.

To the people ... mostly trolls and/or chronic complainers who don't even post until there is something to complain about ... who spout off about Spack as if he has accomplished nothing at ISU and should be fired ... you have no frickin clue what it takes to do what we did yesterday with a QB that you know isn't close to ready to make the throws to keep their defense honest and then to be in a position to win a game. Look at SDSU offense .. loaded everywhere. Look at our offense .. holes everywhere. But we took them to OT.

Some of you trolls and chronic malcontents really need to get some perspective. Most of you don't post until there is something to b-tch about .. then you go all postal. Get real .. get some balance and objectivity in your thinking. You are so predictable in this regard.

Who made you judge jury and executioner?
I consider my responses to be passionate pleas for a program that has been on the cusp for years now....not trolling.
Bottom line we all love this program, we all love ISU sports.
However, some handle it differently than others. Some are accepting of 6-5 (if it squeaks ya in to the playoffs). I prefer a program inching towards total domination, not mediocrity.
I see no reason why we cannot be 9-1 or better.
I see no reason why ISU can’t do what NDSU does.
I refuse to accept, and justify, less than excellence....especially when the foundation is there.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Sorry. Now regretting that last post.

4th, you bring more to this board than most.

Just tired of almost being excellent (football and basketball)

 

[Chi-bird]

I feel that the coaches made the wrong decision not to hurry up, maybe call a few timeouts, etc. when we got the first down on the ground. I don't think it was a 100% obvious wrong call, though.

If I remember correctly, we had all 3 timeouts left and the jackrabbits had 1 timeout left.

What I would have like to have seen was an immediate timeout once we got the first down to be able to think about what we were going to do.

If at that point, we decided there was NO way we wanted to give them a chance with the ball (after a punt), then you still have 1st down (and likely 2nd down to run the ball).

If you don't get anything after 2nd down, you could run the clock out. I doubt they'd use their last time out unless you're looking at 3rd and long. But let's just say they call a timeout after 2nd down...you still have 3rd down to run a play and essentially 40 additional seconds off the clock.

Now, the one thing I will say on this is that Malachi Broadnax showed that he does not understand ball security and perhaps the coaches feel that he would have wanted to have his John Elway moment and do something completely risky/stupid based on the situation.

So, either way, I think it was a bad decision, but it wasn't an absolute no-brainer.

I'm disappointed in the result but feel we played much much better than I had anticipated. Weeks back when people were saying 7-4 was a lock, I really didn't think it was that simple. I don't know if we are going to get in, even if we beat NDSU....but it should be a great game regardless.

I'm proud of the boys for battling a damn-good team that likely will be getting a 1st round bye for the playoffs. We were right there with them, while starting a freshman quarterback who frankly, is not a good passer at this time. There are things to be happy about, but coming up with a loss is just difficult to swallow.

I'm not going to beat up our coaching staff any more about this. It's not easy winning a game at the #6 team in the country with an erratic quarterback who also doesn't protect the ball. We were close.

 

[fourthandshort]

I agreed with starting conservatively .. same as I did on the WIU game drive before half ... but then disagreed once we got the 1st down on our 31 .. with 3 TOs left ... we had very little to lose by using our timeouts on the ensuing 2 plays, or hurrying up on 1st play after 1st down, the using timeouts if we are making yards .. then if we get nothing on our first 2 plays,, we let the clock run out after 3rd down. That made no sense whatsoever.

We had 3 timeouts. How many did they have?

Think they had 2 left - see play by play below. So with 1:06 left and clock stopped, SDSU out of timeouts, we then got 1st down on the 31 yard line with right about 1:00 minute left ... but no timeout by us, and took our sweet time despite going no huddle and didn't snap ball until 37 second mark, I was watching stunned .. we took 23 seconds off clock in a no huddle . then again on next play, no timeout, one more play and clock ran out ... ISU had all 3 timeouts left. We only needed about 40 more yards and a FG to win. Further realize if you are SDSU .. you're playing conservatively and can easily be put on their heels in that situation. I don't mind decisions to run there instead of pass .. but give yourself a chance to win with the timeouts after we got 1st down.

1st and 10 at ILS17 ILLINOIS STATE drive start at 01:15.
1st and 10 at ILS17 SMITH,Markel rush for no gain to the ILS17 (Xavier Ward).
2nd and 10 at ILS17 Timeout South Dakota State, clock 01:11.
2nd and 10 at ILS17 BROADNAX,Malach rush for 7 yards to the ILS24 (Dalton Cox).
3rd and 3 at ILS24 Timeout South Dakota State, clock 01:06.
3rd and 3 at ILS24 ROBINSON,James rush for 7 yards to the ILS31, 1ST DOWN ILS (Nick Farina).
1st and 10 at ILS31 ROBINSON,James rush for 3 yards to the ILS34 (Kellen Soulek).
2nd and 7 at ILS34 ROBINSON,James rush for 10 yards to the ILS44, 1ST DOWN ILS (Marshon Harris).
1st and 10 at ILS44 End of game, clock 00:00.

 

[fourthandshort]

Again, I don’t think that we should have been throwing the ball at the end of regulation. I think we should have been managing the clock, running the ball which was our strength and using our timeouts if need be. We literally got the ball and sat on it for the last 1:15 rather make any attempt at scoring. All I wanted was to see ya TRY to get in field goal range, on the ground if need be. When you’re gashing them for 4.2 ypc, why not TRY to use your timeouts and get a couple more cracks at busting a big one into field goal range?

I hate having had the ball and 3 timeouts and not trying to run plays with the game on the line. THAT is my complaint. We could have had 3 more plays to try to get into FG range if we had used our timeouts.

“A bullet out of the barrel is a chance, a bullet still in your gun is nothing.” USE THE TIMEOUTS, extend the game, TRY for positive yardage.

:text-+1:

this is the main issue ... clock management at end of regulation (not play calling) and then play calling in OT.

I agreed with starting conservatively .. same as I did on the WIU game drive before half ... but then disagreed once we got the 1st down on our 31 .. with 3 TOs left ... we had very little to lose by using our timeouts on the ensuing 2 plays, or hurrying up on 1st play after 1st down, the using timeouts if we are making yards .. then if we get nothing on our first 2 plays,, we let the clock run out after 3rd down. That made no sense whatsoever. I realize our offense has some weak spots, but you have to have more confidence in your team than that. Same exact issue with end of 1st half of WIU game.

That said and beaten to death ... our Coaches deserve a lot of credit for game planning, player preparation, and play calling all game. We nearly beat the #6 team in country who just beat #2 NDSU by 12 the week before .. and we did this wth a backup RS FR QB who clearly was not ready to execute a pass game.

To the people ... mostly trolls and/or chronic complainers who don't even post until there is something to complain about ... who spout off about Spack as if he has accomplished nothing at ISU and should be fired ... you have no frickin clue what it takes to do what we did yesterday with a QB that you know isn't close to ready to make the throws to keep their defense honest and then to be in a position to win a game. Look at SDSU offense .. loaded everywhere. Look at our offense .. holes everywhere. But we took them to OT.

Some of you trolls and chronic malcontents really need to get some perspective. Most of you don't post until there is something to b-tch about .. then you go all postal. Get real .. get some balance and objectivity in your thinking. You are so predictable in this regard.

Who made you judge jury and executioner?
I consider my responses to be passionate pleas for a program that has been on the cusp for years now....not trolling.
Bottom line we all love this program, we all love ISU sports.
However, some handle it differently than others. Some are accepting of 6-5 (if it squeaks ya in to the playoffs). I prefer a program inching towards total domination, not mediocrity.
I see no reason why we cannot be 9-1 or better.
I see no reason why ISU can’t do what NDSU does.
I refuse to accept, and justify, less than excellence....especially when the foundation is there.

I know you retracted this post .. but go back and read all your posts from this thread from beginning ... and most other games when something goes wrong. You typically have little or noting to say until something goes wrong .. then you (and others) quickly start piling on.

And yes, we are all entitled to our opinions and free speech .. with that in mind, I offered my opinion of your opinions (and others) who chronically sling negative posts and usually no balance if good with the bad. This is a fan forum .. be a fan sometimes.

 

[saxman210]

For what it’s worth, Spacks comments in the pantagraph don’t sound like an injury situation for Kolbe. Definitely sounds like Broadnax got the reps and start because they wanted to see what he could do.

 

[crazzymark]

There are three things that are working against ISU making the playoffs..
1) losing to WIU at home
2) losing a tough but still a lose against SDSU
3) This one is out of the MVCFB hands...the NCAA selection committee that has repeatedly stated that they are going to have more teams from other conferences in the playoffs. So you might see a team 6-5 team go in ahead of a MVC team with a better record..due to letting a second place team in a conference go in ahead of MVC 5th team.
That being said, that was an outstanding effort for the team in all the facets of the game. Might of been the best game ISU has played all season. So yes...ISU has to win next weekend , at home, with more Red, White and Black than green and yellow in the stands, that mean you the season ticket holder...still can make the playoffs but only with a big win and big crowd .

 

[cpacmel]

3) This one is out of the MVCFB hands...the NCAA selection committee that has repeatedly stated that they are going to have more teams from other conferences in the playoffs. So you might see a team 6-5 team go in ahead of a MVC team with a better record..due to letting a second place team in a conference go in ahead of MVC 5th team.

I have to say this is all not true. Not a single bit of it is.

If the committee has said as much please show me one link that shows that.

And until you can produce that, it’s simply not true.

No 6-5 team is getting in over a 7-4 mvfc team. It’s just not happening.

 

[TIMMY]

I agreed with starting conservatively .. same as I did on the WIU game drive before half ... but then disagreed once we got the 1st down on our 31 .. with 3 TOs left ... we had very little to lose by using our timeouts on the ensuing 2 plays, or hurrying up on 1st play after 1st down, the using timeouts if we are making yards .. then if we get nothing on our first 2 plays,, we let the clock run out after 3rd down. That made no sense whatsoever.

We had 3 timeouts. How many did they have?

Think they had 2 left - see play by play below. So with 1:06 left and clock stopped, SDSU out of timeouts, we then got 1st down on the 31 yard line with right about 1:00 minute left ... but no timeout by us, and took our sweet time despite going no huddle and didn't snap ball until 37 second mark, I was watching stunned .. we took 23 seconds off clock in a no huddle . then again on next play, no timeout, one more play and clock ran out ... ISU had all 3 timeouts left. We only needed about 40 more yards and a FG to win. Further realize if you are SDSU .. you're playing conservatively and can easily be put on their heels in that situation. I don't mind decisions to run there instead of pass .. but give yourself a chance to win with the timeouts after we got 1st down.

1st and 10 at ILS17 ILLINOIS STATE drive start at 01:15.
1st and 10 at ILS17 SMITH,Markel rush for no gain to the ILS17 (Xavier Ward).
2nd and 10 at ILS17 Timeout South Dakota State, clock 01:11.
2nd and 10 at ILS17 BROADNAX,Malach rush for 7 yards to the ILS24 (Dalton Cox).
3rd and 3 at ILS24 Timeout South Dakota State, clock 01:06.
3rd and 3 at ILS24 ROBINSON,James rush for 7 yards to the ILS31, 1ST DOWN ILS (Nick Farina).
1st and 10 at ILS31 ROBINSON,James rush for 3 yards to the ILS34 (Kellen Soulek).
2nd and 7 at ILS34 ROBINSON,James rush for 10 yards to the ILS44, 1ST DOWN ILS (Marshon Harris).
1st and 10 at ILS44 End of game, clock 00:00.

Thanks. Once they've used their TO's and I've got a first down I'm gonna take a couple of shot's. If it doesn't work I've got a play to run to get out dodge.
I still don't get the OT.
Gotta figure out QB.

 

[TIMMY]

3) This one is out of the MVCFB hands...the NCAA selection committee that has repeatedly stated that they are going to have more teams from other conferences in the playoffs. So you might see a team 6-5 team go in ahead of a MVC team with a better record..due to letting a second place team in a conference go in ahead of MVC 5th team.

I have to say this is all not true. Not a single bit of it is.

If the committee has said as much please show me one link that shows that.

And until you can produce that, it’s simply not true.

No 6-5 team is getting in over a 7-4 mvfc team. It’s just not happening.

The only potential 2nd place FCS team with a 6-5 record is Drake. Mark take your special pills.