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[cpacmel]

Coaches have to make decisions and then they have to live with them. Yes, if Broadnax throws a pick 6 (a real possibility) at the end of the game as they try to win it in regulation the coaching staff gets battered with complaints...welcome to coaching.

I don’t think throwing a pick 6 is a real possibility. I mean yes it’s possible but anything is possible really. I mean it’s possible we fumble the snap while taking a knee and it’s returned for a touchdown.

At some point we have to try and win the game.

1. Go for 2 after we scored late in the 4th.

2. Try and get 35-40 yards for a field goal before the end of regulation.

I think Timmy said it, on the road you go for the win. At what point in this game did we go for the win?

 

[cpacmel]

For what it’s worth, Spacks comments in the pantagraph don’t sound like an injury situation for Kolbe. Definitely sounds like Broadnax got the reps and start because they wanted to see what he could do.

Something isn’t adding up here. That’s all I can really say on this. Much like the game at Indiana State past season where Kolbe was too hurt to start....

 

[Virginia Redbird]

Coaches have to make decisions and then they have to live with them. Yes, if Broadnax throws a pick 6 (a real possibility) at the end of the game as they try to win it in regulation the coaching staff gets battered with complaints...welcome to coaching.

I don’t think throwing a pick 6 is a real possibility. I mean yes it’s possible but anything is possible really. I mean it’s possible we fumble the snap while taking a knee and it’s returned for a touchdown.

At some point we have to try and win the game.

1. Go for 2 after we scored late in the 4th.

2. Try and get 35-40 yards for a field goal before the end of regulation.

I think Timmy said it, on the road you go for the win. At what point in this game did we go for the win?

If anything is possible...throwing a pick six is a real possibility, correct? Just kidding a bit but yeah I don't feel comfortable watching Broadnax make any throws, he is way to erratic. I think he is just not very good at the passing game at this point. He is a good runner and that is about it. Another poster said that Broadnax's passes tend to sail and Kolbe has the same issue...passes sail high frequently. There are some passing mechanic issues with the ISU QB's I see during the games. Maybe a full time QB coach and a full time O Coordinator would be in order. Being half this and half that usually never works very well.

 

[cpacmel]

He’s thrown close to 30 passes now. No picks. My point being you can’t play scared. We weren’t afraid to throw on all 3 plays in OT. It’s okay to throw then but not before the end of regulation. A pick in OT pretty much ends the game too.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

He’s thrown close to 30 passes now. No picks. My point being you can’t play scared. We weren’t afraid to throw on all 3 plays in OT. It’s okay to throw then but not before the end of regulation. A pick in OT pretty much ends the game too.

I got your point before...I just don't agree with you. A pick at the end of regulation with a minute left may end the game as well when the score is tied and the other team has a capable offense, frankly more capable than the Birds offense. I thought the passes in OT did not play to the strength of the personnel on the field and was a bad strategy by the play caller. It is not being scared to understand the capability of the personnel on the field and trying to put them in the best position to be successful. BTW, almost 30 passes without a pick does not impress.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

He’s thrown close to 30 passes now. No picks. My point being you can’t play scared. We weren’t afraid to throw on all 3 plays in OT. It’s okay to throw then but not before the end of regulation. A pick in OT pretty much ends the game too.

I got your point before...I just don't agree with you. A pick at the end of regulation with a minute left may end the game as well when the score is tied and the other team has a capable offense, frankly more capable than the Birds offense. I thought the passes in OT did not play to the strength of the personnel on the field and was a bad strategy by the play caller. It is not being scared to understand the capability of the personnel on the field and trying to put them in the best position to be successful. BTW, almost 30 passes without a pick does not impress.

A pick in OT also effectively ends the game yet ISU threw the damn ball in OT after choosing not to throw ball at the end of regulation and thus conceded an opportunity to score and win the game (an opportunity in which SDSU would not have been able to match our score btw). No real difference in passing at the end of regulation vs OT as all SDSU had to do under either scenario (end of regulation or OT) was to kick a field goal to win if they intercepted an ISU pass.

BTW...it is even worse as ISU should have been more likely to throw the ball in regulation vs OT as ISU had limited time remaining in regulation which makes running the ball more difficult. However in OT ISU had no time pressure and therefore should have been more likely to run the ball yet all they did was throw it.

I will never understand the logic of ISU avoiding an opportunity to win the game in regulation given what they did in OT. One of my takeaways from this game is that the ISU coaching staff (Spack is front and center) may be good football coaches but I question their intelligence/critical thinking when under pressure.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

For what it’s worth, Spacks comments in the pantagraph don’t sound like an injury situation for Kolbe. Definitely sounds like Broadnax got the reps and start because they wanted to see what he could do.

Something isn’t adding up here. That’s all I can really say on this. Much like the game at Indiana State past season where Kolbe was too hurt to start....

Makes sense to me. ISU has really struggled all season with Kolbe at QB. The ISU coaching staff also gets to watch Kolbe in practice and we do not get that perspective. Seems to me ISU coaching is not confident in Kolbe to get it done against good competition.

 

[fourthandshort]

He’s thrown close to 30 passes now. No picks. My point being you can’t play scared. We weren’t afraid to throw on all 3 plays in OT. It’s okay to throw then but not before the end of regulation. A pick in OT pretty much ends the game too.

I got your point before...I just don't agree with you. A pick at the end of regulation with a minute left may end the game as well when the score is tied and the other team has a capable offense, frankly more capable than the Birds offense. I thought the passes in OT did not play to the strength of the personnel on the field and was a bad strategy by the play caller. It is not being scared to understand the capability of the personnel on the field and trying to put them in the best position to be successful. BTW, almost 30 passes without a pick does not impress.

A pick in OT also effectively ends the game yet ISU threw the damn ball in OT after choosing not to throw ball at the end of regulation and therefore conceded an opportunity to win the game. No real difference in passing at the end of regulation vs OT as all SDSU had to do under either scenario (end of regulation or OT) was to kick a field goal to win if they intercepted an ISU pass.

BTW...it is even worse as ISU should have been more likely to throw the ball in regulation vs OT as ISU had limited time remaining in regulation which makes running the ball more difficult. However in OT ISU had no time pressure and therefor should have been more likely to run the ball yet all they did was throw it.

I will never understand the logic of ISU avoiding an opportunity to win the game in regulation given what they did in OT. One of my takeaways from this game is that the ISU coaching staff (Spack is front and center) may be good football coaches but I question their intelligence/critical thinking when under pressure.

plus starting OT drive at 25 mean Broadnax would be showing into a much smaller field .. that and no concern for clock. Combine that with fact that Broadnax is not nearly as ready to make all the throws as much as Kolbe is ... all of this makes a difference ... that and fact that our 2 best players on are James Robison and Markel Smith.

 

[cpacmel]

For what it’s worth, Spacks comments in the pantagraph don’t sound like an injury situation for Kolbe. Definitely sounds like Broadnax got the reps and start because they wanted to see what he could do.

Something isn’t adding up here. That’s all I can really say on this. Much like the game at Indiana State past season where Kolbe was too hurt to start....

Makes sense to me. ISU has really struggled all season with Kolbe at QB. The ISU coaching staff also gets to watch Kolbe in practice and we do not get that perspective. Seems to me ISU coaching is not confident in Kolbe to get it done against good competition.

Or Kolbe was hurt and couldn't go at all.

And let's not forget that Jake beat a bowl team last year and the rabbits and others , and ranked teams in South Dakota and Youngstown State this season.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Something isn’t adding up here. That’s all I can really say on this. Much like the game at Indiana State past season where Kolbe was too hurt to start....

Makes sense to me. ISU has really struggled all season with Kolbe at QB. The ISU coaching staff also gets to watch Kolbe in practice and we do not get that perspective. Seems to me ISU coaching is not confident in Kolbe to get it done against good competition.

Or Kolbe was hurt and couldn't go at all.

you're right...comments could also be a smoke screen?

 

[gobirds85]

TERRIBLE CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT PLAYCALLING

Post of the game. ^^

 

[gobirds85]

Then in OT, we inexplicably decide to throw 3 straight passes given all the obvious arguments against doing so ... small field, clock doesn't matter, our run game was working very well ... mind blowing that we put our hopes on our RS FR QB who clearly had been struggling to throw most of the game.

I will never understand this decision. :think:

Ok, maybe I was wrong earlier. This is the best post from the game. I try to stay off RBF after a frustrating loss and let things settle a bit. This game was winnable and we couldn't pull it off. Saturday is now our play in game.

 

[cpacmel]

I try to stay off RBF after a frustrating loss and let things settle a bit. This game was winnable and we couldn't pull it off. Saturday is now our play in game.

^^^ post of the week here! All parts are true!

 

[Reggie Redbird]

He’s thrown close to 30 passes now. No picks. My point being you can’t play scared. We weren’t afraid to throw on all 3 plays in OT. It’s okay to throw then but not before the end of regulation. A pick in OT pretty much ends the game too.

I was just about to post this and saw yours. You are 100% right. You can't say you don't want risk a turnover throwing the ball and then throw three straight times in OT. Especially after we just ran the ball down their throats right before that to tie the game.

Also, if Kolbe was truly hurt and couldn't play, why do you risk him getting hurt further by having him go through first team reps? (Per the commentators why he was in uniform but no helmet close by).

I just do not get our offensive playcalling in key situations, especially this game. We got the result we deserved from the decisions that were made. We had many opportunities to win this game and did not seem to make the right call multiple times.

 

[Total Red]

Also, if Kolbe was truly hurt and couldn't play, why do you risk him getting hurt further by having him go through first team reps? (Per the commentators why he was in uniform but no helmet close by).

Kolbe wouldn't be hit in practice. If he was injured he might get a few reps to evaluate his recovery or just to keep him sharp but he wouldn't necessarily be ready for a real game with full contact.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

From the Panatgraph article:

"We went into the game thinking we would give him an opportunity, and we stuck with it the whole day," Spack said. "If he would have struggled we would have put Jake back in. He gave us another dimension running, and he made some good throws."

Does not sound as if injury was a factor with Kolbe being benched. It sounds like a coaching decision by Spack. It will be interesting to see who starts against the Bison.

Here is the link: http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/football/vinatieri-boots-south-dakota-state-past-isu-in-overtime/article_2a89a8df-e525-5568-b8e4-d29e72d58a1c.html

 

[TreRoberson4Heisman]

Hindsight is 20/20 but this needed short yardage to gain shovel pass going on around NCAA and NFL would have looked nice for a GW two-point conversion.

 

[fourthandshort]

From the Panatgraph article:

"We went into the game thinking we would give him an opportunity, and we stuck with it the whole day," Spack said. "If he would have struggled we would have put Jake back in. He gave us another dimension running, and he made some good throws."

Does not sound as if injury was a factor with Kolbe being benched. It sounds like a coaching decision by Spack. It will be interesting to see who starts against the Bison.

Here is the link: http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/football/vinatieri-boots-south-dakota-state-past-isu-in-overtime/article_2a89a8df-e525-5568-b8e4-d29e72d58a1c.html

interesting .. still wouldn't be surprised if Kolbe was nursing an injury that he could have played with, but only if needed.

Reasoning being .. Someone posted that they saw Kolbe during game without a helmet in his hand .. pretty sure players are told to always have helmets with them .. unless a program assistant was holding it for him for some reason. If Broadnax goes down against SDSU, Kolbe has to get on field asap. So I think the 3rd stringer would have come in and handed off until they decided to bring Broadnax back or warm up Kolbe. Why else have Kolbe suited up, but not carrying his helmet ?

So Spack could still be hiding fact that Kolbe has an undisclosed nagging injury AND they felt Broadnax could help us most against SDSU .. which he did for most part and I liked the decision .. assuming Kolbe wasn't 100% or even 90%. SDSU pass defense is considered stronger than their run defense .. though their run defense has improved recently.

Flip that around this week .. NDSU run defense is better than their pass defense. Which is why I said on other thread that Kolbe should start this week .. especially with high winds and element of surprise is lost using Broadnax - they know he struggles to throw. So we will need to mix it up and pass more against NDSU than we did against SDSU .. except the wind is blowing .. so Kolbe should get more reps than Broadnax .. if he is healthy enough.

And now NDSU has to game plan for both Kolbe and Broadnax .. which is good thing.

 

[Redbirdz18]

From the Panatgraph article:

"We went into the game thinking we would give him an opportunity, and we stuck with it the whole day," Spack said. "If he would have struggled we would have put Jake back in. He gave us another dimension running, and he made some good throws."

Does not sound as if injury was a factor with Kolbe being benched. It sounds like a coaching decision by Spack. It will be interesting to see who starts against the Bison.

Here is the link: http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/football/vinatieri-boots-south-dakota-state-past-isu-in-overtime/article_2a89a8df-e525-5568-b8e4-d29e72d58a1c.html

interesting .. still wouldn't be surprised if Kolbe was nursing an injury that he could have played with, but only if needed.

Reasoning being .. Someone posted that they saw Kolbe during game without a helmet in his hand .. pretty sure players are told to always have helmets with them .. unless a program assistant was holding it for him for some reason. If Broadnax goes down against SDSU, Kolbe has to get on field asap. So I think the 3rd stringer would have come in and handed off until they decided to bring Broadnax back or warm up Kolbe. Why else have Kolbe suited up, but not carrying his helmet ?

So Spack could still be hiding fact that Kolbe has an undisclosed nagging injury AND they felt Broadnax could help us most against SDSU .. which he did for most part and I liked the decision .. assuming Kolbe wasn't 100% or even 90%. SDSU pass defense is considered stronger than their run defense .. though their run defense has improved recently.

Flip that around this week .. NDSU run defense is better than their pass defense. Which is why I said on other thread that Kolbe should start this week .. especially with high winds and element of surprise is lost using Broadnax - they know he struggles to throw. So we will need to mix it up and pass more against NDSU than we did against SDSU .. except the wind is blowing .. so Kolbe should get more reps than Broadnax .. if he is healthy enough.

And now NDSU has to game plan for both Kolbe and Broadnax .. which is good thing.

Hmmm. Yesterday I was looking at the NDSU fan forum and someone actually said they hope Kolbe starts this Saturday. According to them, NDSU defense isn't that good against a mobile quarterback (Broadnax). If that is true then I think we should start Broadnax. I haven't really been following NDSU football this season so I'm not sure if it's true or not.


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[fourthandshort]

From the Panatgraph article:

"We went into the game thinking we would give him an opportunity, and we stuck with it the whole day," Spack said. "If he would have struggled we would have put Jake back in. He gave us another dimension running, and he made some good throws."

Does not sound as if injury was a factor with Kolbe being benched. It sounds like a coaching decision by Spack. It will be interesting to see who starts against the Bison.

Here is the link: http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/football/vinatieri-boots-south-dakota-state-past-isu-in-overtime/article_2a89a8df-e525-5568-b8e4-d29e72d58a1c.html

interesting .. still wouldn't be surprised if Kolbe was nursing an injury that he could have played with, but only if needed.

Reasoning being .. Someone posted that they saw Kolbe during game without a helmet in his hand .. pretty sure players are told to always have helmets with them .. unless a program assistant was holding it for him for some reason. If Broadnax goes down against SDSU, Kolbe has to get on field asap. So I think the 3rd stringer would have come in and handed off until they decided to bring Broadnax back or warm up Kolbe. Why else have Kolbe suited up, but not carrying his helmet ?

So Spack could still be hiding fact that Kolbe has an undisclosed nagging injury AND they felt Broadnax could help us most against SDSU .. which he did for most part and I liked the decision .. assuming Kolbe wasn't 100% or even 90%. SDSU pass defense is considered stronger than their run defense .. though their run defense has improved recently.

Flip that around this week .. NDSU run defense is better than their pass defense. Which is why I said on other thread that Kolbe should start this week .. especially with high winds and element of surprise is lost using Broadnax - they know he struggles to throw. So we will need to mix it up and pass more against NDSU than we did against SDSU .. except the wind is blowing .. so Kolbe should get more reps than Broadnax .. if he is healthy enough.

And now NDSU has to game plan for both Kolbe and Broadnax .. which is good thing.

Hmmm. Yesterday I was looking at the NDSU fan forum and someone actually said they hope Kolbe starts this Saturday. According to them, NDSU defense isn't that good against a mobile quarterback (Broadnax). If that is true then I think we should start Broadnax. I haven't really been following NDSU football this season so I'm not sure if it's true or not.


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except their idea of a mobile QB is SDSU Christion or USD Streveler .. they both run very well, and throw pretty well .. and are veterans. And we have lost the element of surprise we had going into SDSU game.

We need a well crafted game plan for all 3 scenarios ... Kolbe, Broadnax, and Kolbe-Broadnax

And I will say it again .. one and done week .. Kolbe must use the read-option a couple times to take pressure of Robinson and Smith .. and then be smart about avoiding hits. He gets a tough chip on his shoulder trying to get extra yards to help team ... we need him ALL GAME LONG .. both Kolbe and Broadnax .. this gives us best chance to win if Kolbe is healthy enough.

Think UNI in 2015 when we used Roberson (broken hand) all game against UNI, and Kolbe .. UNI heads are still spinning from that one .. Roberson never threw a single pass, and only ran a couple times .. Kolbe was behind center most of the game .. it was fun watching UNI struggle to figure what defense to come at us with ... had Kolbe and Roberson on field at same time a lot with Roberson at flanker, in wildcat, in motion.

we won because of how much we confused UNI .. except they had no idea Tre had broken hand .. so that helped too. Point is we became much less predictable even though we were very vanilla ... and we won a game we should have lost.

Here are game stats from UNI 2015 game: http://goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?id=7826&path=football