Hein

[BirdsEyeView]

Out of curiousity, why are players immune to criticism just because they wear a Redbird uniform? I do agree that posting it on a reported injury thread is distasteful, however, I also believe a message board's purpose is for people to provide their opinions regarding a player's value to a team on a game by game basis or on a macro level as a contributor to the program as a whole to make the NCAAs (our ultimate goal as a fan base right now). Some opinions are supported through fact, while others are not and based on other factors like bias (strength of the arguments).

With that said, Matt Hein is getting a full scholarship valued at over $30,000 (out of state tuition + room and board) and therefore his value to the program over replacement can be assessed by the fan base. We don't need to tip-toe around a kid's performance, but again...
Ricohill, et al. - it probably should not be voiced here on this thread. Maybe comment about it on the Drake game thread. Why did we perform better without his 17 minutes if that is your opinion?

For the record, I think he is a solid defensive asset for our roster, but his value can be deteriorated with turnovers and a lack of an offensive game that allows opposition to hone in on MY, PF and KE without the threat of that double hurting them with an open shooter.
Example: See Bradley game between the under 16 and under 12 of the first half (went from up 4 to down 4 in that 4 minute stretch he came in). A minus 8 in a short span that turned the game quickly on it's head for us.

 

[Birdman07]

I don't blame Hein for his skills and ability. It's more on Muller for playing his the 6th most minutes on the team.

Everyone on here says that Hein makes some plays every now and then!! Yet they don't look at the fact he has the highest turnover ratio on the team (turnovers per possessions played). It's a much worse ratio than even Milik.

Most of the pro-Hein arguments aren't made with based on any facts.

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[gobirds72]

For the life of me, I do not understand how some posters can berate a kid that gave up a scholarship so his team could acquire a better player. That stunt told us everything we need to know about Matt Hein. He's been a class act since he arrived in Normal.

Where's the Oklahoma State football coach when we need him?


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Many players on this team are “berated” if this is your criteria. I will make sure that I point it out when ever your favorite posters make the same comments regarding Yarboroughs turnovers etc.

 

[Birdman07]

I think when it comes to Hein people just like to play the Birdbox challenge since hes a good character kid. Character doesnt get it done, however.

 

[ricohill]

Out of curiousity, why are players immune to criticism just because they wear a Redbird uniform? I do agree that posting it on a reported injury thread is distasteful, however, I also believe a message board's purpose is for people to provide their opinions regarding a player's value to a team on a game by game basis or on a macro level as a contributor to the program as a whole to make the NCAAs (our ultimate goal as a fan base right now). Some opinions are supported through fact, while others are not and based on other factors like bias (strength of the arguments).

With that said, Matt Hein is getting a full scholarship valued at over $30,000 (out of state tuition + room and board) and therefore his value to the program over replacement can be assessed by the fan base. We don't need to tip-toe around a kid's performance, but again...
Ricohill, et al. - it probably should not be voiced here on this thread. Maybe comment about it on the Drake game thread. Why did we perform better without his 17 minutes if that is your opinion?

For the record, I think he is a solid defensive asset for our roster, but his value can be deteriorated with turnovers and a lack of an offensive game that allows opposition to hone in on MY, PF and KE without the threat of that double hurting them with an open shooter.
Example: See Bradley game between the under 16 and under 12 of the first half (went from up 4 to down 4 in that 4 minute stretch he came in). A minus 8 in a short span that turned the game quickly on it's head for us.

:text-+1:

 

[Birdman07]

Maybe we petition to bring Tarise back for that senior year.

He's 40 and been an assistant at MacArthur for 6 years. They missed each other at ISU by 1 year but maybe Bryson can teach them a few things.

 

[gobirds72]

Maybe we petition to bring Tarise back for that senior year.

He's 40 and been an assistant at MacArthur for 6 years. He was a freshman when Dan was a senior. Maybe Bryson can teach them a few things.

Wasn’t that the same age as Ron Baker when he graduated?

 

[dabirds0987]

I am happy for the people who now have an opportunity to complain.

I am disappointed for Matt, but happy he is here, and look forward to him being an important part of our season! Get healthy and come back soon Matt!

 

[SgtHulka]

Most of the pro-Hein arguments aren't made with based on any facts.

The person who thinks everyone else, including the paid professional coaches are wrong and he is right, is probably not as intelligent as he leads himself to believe.

 

[gobirds72]

Most of the pro-Hein arguments aren't made with based on any facts.

The person who thinks everyone else, including the paid professional coaches are wrong and he is right, is probably not as intelligent as he leads himself to believe.

“Paid professionals” sometimes get fired. The only thing that truly matters is results.

 

[Birdman07]

Out of curiousity, why are players immune to criticism just because they wear a Redbird uniform? I do agree that posting it on a reported injury thread is distasteful, however, I also believe a message board's purpose is for people to provide their opinions regarding a player's value to a team on a game by game basis or on a macro level as a contributor to the program as a whole to make the NCAAs (our ultimate goal as a fan base right now). Some opinions are supported through fact, while others are not and based on other factors like bias (strength of the arguments).

With that said, Matt Hein is getting a full scholarship valued at over $30,000 (out of state tuition + room and board) and therefore his value to the program over replacement can be assessed by the fan base. We don't need to tip-toe around a kid's performance, but again...
Ricohill, et al. - it probably should not be voiced here on this thread. Maybe comment about it on the Drake game thread. Why did we perform better without his 17 minutes if that is your opinion?

For the record, I think he is a solid defensive asset for our roster, but his value can be deteriorated with turnovers and a lack of an offensive game that allows opposition to hone in on MY, PF and KE without the threat of that double hurting them with an open shooter.
Example: See Bradley game between the under 16 and under 12 of the first half (went from up 4 to down 4 in that 4 minute stretch he came in). A minus 8 in a short span that turned the game quickly on it's head for us.

:text-+1:

:text-+1:

 

[SgtHulka]

Most of the pro-Hein arguments aren't made with based on any facts.

The person who thinks everyone else, including the paid professional coaches are wrong and he is right, is probably not as intelligent as he leads himself to believe.

“Paid professionals” sometimes get fired. The only thing that truly matters is results.

Yet you think all coaches in the conference should make the choice to just not guard him, yet they all choose to. The turnover in the conference is going to be ridiculous. Never seen 100% coaching turnover. This is truly historic folks

 

[Brick]

I don’t believe Hein is on scholarship. I believe he gave his up this year so we could get another player

 

[gobirds72]

Out of curiousity, why are players immune to criticism just because they wear a Redbird uniform? I do agree that posting it on a reported injury thread is distasteful, however, I also believe a message board's purpose is for people to provide their opinions regarding a player's value to a team on a game by game basis or on a macro level as a contributor to the program as a whole to make the NCAAs (our ultimate goal as a fan base right now). Some opinions are supported through fact, while others are not and based on other factors like bias (strength of the arguments).

With that said, Matt Hein is getting a full scholarship valued at over $30,000 (out of state tuition + room and board) and therefore his value to the program over replacement can be assessed by the fan base. We don't need to tip-toe around a kid's performance, but again...
Ricohill, et al. - it probably should not be voiced here on this thread. Maybe comment about it on the Drake game thread. Why did we perform better without his 17 minutes if that is your opinion?

For the record, I think he is a solid defensive asset for our roster, but his value can be deteriorated with turnovers and a lack of an offensive game that allows opposition to hone in on MY, PF and KE without the threat of that double hurting them with an open shooter.
Example: See Bradley game between the under 16 and under 12 of the first half (went from up 4 to down 4 in that 4 minute stretch he came in). A minus 8 in a short span that turned the game quickly on it's head for us.

:text-+1:

 

[ricohill]

Most of the pro-Hein arguments aren't made with based on any facts.

The person who thinks everyone else, including the paid professional coaches are wrong and he is right, is probably not as intelligent as he leads himself to believe.

“Paid professionals” sometimes get fired. The only thing that truly matters is results.

We will see how much the paid professionals know this year. The league is the worst I've seen it in my 35 years of being an ISU fan (data backs that up). Our top 7/8 is probably the most talented in the MVC with Williamson hurt for Loyola.

And some coaches will get fired this year. This was sad to watch last night one soon to be fired coach backing another soon to be fired coach.

https://twitter.com/THefferman/status/1090848282425860097

 

[ISU FAN 1]

There’s a certain amount of white privilege that has seeped into college basketball. Especially from the fan perspective. Can’t imagine if Hein were black, he would have as many defenders. He clearly rode the coattails of a 7-footer to get this gig, so it’s not all that surprising he lacks in some of the D1 skills we are used to seeing. If you don’t think white makes a difference in the eyes of fans, go look at the glue guy thread. Other than Perez, it’s all white guys that hold or glue a team together.

 

[BirdsEyeView]

I don’t believe Hein is on scholarship. I believe he gave his up this year so we could get another player

He received it back after originally giving it up.

 

[ricohill]

There’s a certain amount of white privilege that has seeped into college basketball. Especially from the fan perspective. Can’t imagine if Hein were black, he would have as many defenders. He clearly rode the coattails of a 7-footer to get this gig, so it’s not all that surprising he lacks in some of the D1 skills we are used to seeing. If you don’t think white makes a difference in the eyes of fans, go look at the glue guy thread. Other than Perez, it’s all white guys that hold or glue a team together.

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[Redbird Alum 2004]

Maybe we petition to bring Tarise back for that senior year.

He's 40 and been an assistant at MacArthur for 6 years. He was a freshman when Dan was a senior. Maybe Bryson can teach them a few things.

Wasn’t that the same age as Ron Baker when he graduated?

Grant Gibbs

 

[DWRedbird]

Out of curiousity, why are players immune to criticism just because they wear a Redbird uniform? I do agree that posting it on a reported injury thread is distasteful, however, I also believe a message board's purpose is for people to provide their opinions regarding a player's value to a team on a game by game basis or on a macro level as a contributor to the program as a whole to make the NCAAs (our ultimate goal as a fan base right now). Some opinions are supported through fact, while others are not and based on other factors like bias (strength of the arguments).

With that said, Matt Hein is getting a full scholarship valued at over $30,000 (out of state tuition + room and board) and therefore his value to the program over replacement can be assessed by the fan base. We don't need to tip-toe around a kid's performance, but again...
Ricohill, et al. - it probably should not be voiced here on this thread. Maybe comment about it on the Drake game thread. Why did we perform better without his 17 minutes if that is your opinion?

For the record, I think he is a solid defensive asset for our roster, but his value can be deteriorated with turnovers and a lack of an offensive game that allows opposition to hone in on MY, PF and KE without the threat of that double hurting them with an open shooter.
Example: See Bradley game between the under 16 and under 12 of the first half (went from up 4 to down 4 in that 4 minute stretch he came in). A minus 8 in a short span that turned the game quickly on it's head for us.

For what it's worth, I have no problem with criticism of a player (I've done plenty of it). Insinuating that a player getting minutes is the reason we lose, or saying we are better off with him hurt is where I draw the line.