Fire Muller...now!

[SoCalRedbird]

This is an attempt at humor?

No. Not a joke.

Ever started a new job without being held accountable or attempting to address the most pressing issue...for 12 months?

Neither have I.

He doesn't have to step in Muller's trashed program on the way out, but he needs to step up and address the problems. While our fine university reaches historic levels of irrelevance, our AD models shoes and ignores the rising tide. Not good.

Has Brennan done something for football or men's basketball of note? Maybe that's why I'm not extending his grace period to 18 months like some of you.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Redbirds once won a game?

 

[BirdGrad2011]

No. Not a joke.

Ever started a new job without being held accountable or attempting to address the most pressing issue...for 12 months?

Neither have I.

He doesn't have to step in Muller's trashed program on the way out, but he needs to step up and address the problems. While our fine university reaches historic levels of irrelevance, our AD models shoes and ignores the rising tide. Not good.

Has Brennan done something for football or men's basketball of note? Maybe that's why I'm not extending his grace period to 18 months like some of you.

My issue with Brennan is the outright confusion last March when he questioned why there would be any doubt about Muller. It’s one thing to give a vote of confidence. It’s another to be completely confused after another awful finish.

 

[Birdfriend72]

No. Not a joke.

Ever started a new job without being held accountable or attempting to address the most pressing issue...for 12 months?

Neither have I.

He doesn't have to step in Muller's trashed program on the way out, but he needs to step up and address the problems. While our fine university reaches historic levels of irrelevance, our AD models shoes and ignores the rising tide. Not good.

Has Brennan done something for football or men's basketball of note? Maybe that's why I'm not extending his grace period to 18 months like some of you.

How about a four-year extension? I hear those are popular around here.

 

[Adunk33]

.Has Brennan done something for football or men's basketball of note? Maybe that's why I'm not extending his grace period to 18 months like some of you.

IPF is coming. That's something. Of course, it'd be better to have a brick and mortar vs the bubble but he made it very clear that was his No.1 priority after getting the job.

 

[gobirds85]

We have a brand new President and a brand new AD. Both are very intelligent and are aware of our current predicament. If this season goes as it might very well go (see Jackson St results), I expect to see a change. The direction of donors, season ticket holders, and fans attending the games are clear indicators that a change needs to be made. Some may argue we cannot afford to fire him, I argue we can't afford to keep him.

 

[BTbird]

No. Not a joke.

Ever started a new job without being held accountable or attempting to address the most pressing issue...for 12 months?

Neither have I.

He doesn't have to step in Muller's trashed program on the way out, but he needs to step up and address the problems. While our fine university reaches historic levels of irrelevance, our AD models shoes and ignores the rising tide. Not good.

Has Brennan done something for football or men's basketball of note? Maybe that's why I'm not extending his grace period to 18 months like some of you.

If you are going to fire a coach, it only makes sense to do it right after the season ends. Kyle was here a little over a month in a half after when our season ended last year. There is no way he is making a decision last year to buyout Muller's contract with that amount of time in his job.

 

[DBird]

If you are going to fire a coach, it only makes sense to do it right after the season ends. Kyle was here a little over a month in a half after when our season ended last year. There is no way he is making a decision last year to buyout Muller's contract with that amount of time in his job.

Exactly

 

[isuquinndog]

Again, the Fire Muller Now crowd seems to think any one not fully on board with the right now thinks Muller should get an extension or whatever. I don't really know any one that doesn't think he should stay. It's the timing of it. There are so few times when a coach is going to get let go in the middle of the season. Who on staff would you want to take over for MVC season?

We all, for the most part, agree what needs to happen. The questions are 1) when and 2) is it likely/possible financially?

 

[SgtHulka]

Again, the Fire Muller Now crowd seems to think any one not fully on board with the right now thinks Muller should get an extension or whatever. I don't really know any one that doesn't think he should stay. It's the timing of it. There are so few times when a coach is going to get let go in the middle of the season. Who on staff would you want to take over for MVC season?

We all, for the most part, agree what needs to happen. The questions are 1) when and 2) is it likely/possible financially?

You can lead a horse to water Quinny...

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Again, the Fire Muller Now crowd seems to think any one not fully on board with the right now thinks Muller should get an extension or whatever. I don't really know any one that doesn't think he should stay. It's the timing of it. There are so few times when a coach is going to get let go in the middle of the season. Who on staff would you want to take over for MVC season?

We all, for the most part, agree what needs to happen. The questions are 1) when and 2) is it likely/possible financially?

This is not necessarily directed at you, but the point you’re making. This staff has largely been here multiple years and I think the only person that I think anyone would care to see retained is Tony Wills and he’s not even a direct assistant. So if a move were to be made today you give either Jones or Belcher the interim tag. Doesn’t really matter as neither will be here next year. Nobody recruits strongly enough to warrant a serious look.

I don’t think what happens from Jan 1 to March 1 matters so I guess the logical thing to do is whenever it financially makes the most sense as long as it’s this season. I just don’t get why the press conferences from Dan never change. Is he resigned to the fact he’s gone?

 

[TBS_20]

This is not necessarily directed at you, but the point you’re making. This staff has largely been here multiple years and I think the only person that I think anyone would care to see retained is Tony Wills and he’s not even a direct assistant. So if a move were to be made today you give either Jones or Belcher the interim tag. Doesn’t really matter as neither will be here next year. Nobody recruits strongly enough to warrant a serious look.

I don’t think what happens from Jan 1 to March 1 matters so I guess the logical thing to do is whenever it financially makes the most sense as long as it’s this season. I just don’t get why the press conferences from Dan never change. Is he resigned to the fact he’s gone?

Honestly it's like Dan gave up a couple years ago.

 

[Scipio]

We have a brand new President and a brand new AD. Both are very intelligent and are aware of our current predicament. If this season goes as it might very well go (see Jackson St results), I expect to see a change. The direction of donors, season ticket holders, and fans attending the games are clear indicators that a change needs to be made. Some may argue we cannot afford to fire him, I argue we can't afford to keep him.

Excellent points!

 

[gobirds85]

Excellent points!

Thank you.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

This is not necessarily directed at you, but the point you’re making. This staff has largely been here multiple years and I think the only person that I think anyone would care to see retained is Tony Wills and he’s not even a direct assistant. So if a move were to be made today you give either Jones or Belcher the interim tag. Doesn’t really matter as neither will be here next year. Nobody recruits strongly enough to warrant a serious look.

I don’t think what happens from Jan 1 to March 1 matters so I guess the logical thing to do is whenever it financially makes the most sense as long as it’s this season. I just don’t get why the press conferences from Dan never change. Is he resigned to the fact he’s gone?

Just a question, but doesn’t getting rid of Muller now at least give the next coach (if he’s hired before the season is over) a little more time to target recruits…as opposed to making a change after the season?
Seems to me like the uncertainty of the next coach would be a liability.
Lastly, why not give T Willis a shot?

 

[ISUBird]

Just a question, but doesn’t getting rid of Muller now at least give the next coach (if he’s hired before the season is over) a little more time to target recruits…as opposed to making a change after the season?
Seems to me like the uncertainty of the next coach would be a liability.
Lastly, why not give T Willis a shot?

Is he the best we can get?

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Honestly it's like Dan gave up a couple years ago.

His sideline demeanor has been much different ever since 2018 in my opinion. He looks like he lost his puppy over there most of the time nowadays

 

[BTbird]

Just a question, but doesn’t getting rid of Muller now at least give the next coach (if he’s hired before the season is over) a little more time to target recruits…as opposed to making a change after the season?
Seems to me like the uncertainty of the next coach would be a liability.
Lastly, why not give T Willis a shot?

I would think we would limit our pool of potential coaches. few candidates are going to want to throw their name in the hat for the ISU job while they are the coach or assistant coach of another team in the middle of the season. An interim coach is not going to be much help with recruiting if that is what you mean by giving T Wills a shot. Not letting Muller finish the season could turn off future coaching candidates as well. Although in this case it would be a mid season buyout not firing so maybe in wouldn't reflect as bad on ISU.

That is my 2 cents anyway.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I would think we would limit our pool of potential coaches. few candidates are going to want to throw their name in the hat for the ISU job while they are the coach or assistant coach of another team in the middle of the season. An interim coach is not going to be much help with recruiting if that is what you mean by giving T Wills a shot. Not letting Muller finish the season could turn off future coaching candidates as well. Although in this case it would be a mid season buyout not firing so maybe in wouldn't reflect as bad on ISU.

That is my 2 cents anyway.

Makes sense.
As for T Willis, I have no idea if he would be a good coach, I just know I loved his playing style and passion. I guess I thought the same about Muller though.
All that said, coaching MBB has to be one of the most impossible tasks there is.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Just a question, but doesn’t getting rid of Muller now at least give the next coach (if he’s hired before the season is over) a little more time to target recruits…as opposed to making a change after the season?
Seems to me like the uncertainty of the next coach would be a liability.
Lastly, why not give T Willis a shot?

I would like the new coach to have a little higher profile than Tony.

Bob Donewald’s replacement:

Bob Bender (Bloomington High School Grad) played in two Final Fours 1976 Indiana 1978 Duke (Only player to play on two different teams in the Final Four)
Was an Assistant Coach under Coach K on three Final Four teams 1986, 88, 89

Kevin Stallings played on the Purdue 1980 Final four team.
Was an assistant at Purdue under Gene Keady 1982-88
Was an assistant at Kansas under Roy Williams 1988-1993 including the 1988 National Championship team.

Tom Richardson’s hire was the beginning of the Redbird basketball downfall.