I don’t want an occasional NCaa bid just by catching lightning in a bottle at the Lou with an 17-12 record either.
That's pretty much what I said minus the fans although I agree about the fans. 22-8 most years with 3 years being NCAA type years (at-large type years if they don't win in the Lou). Anything less than the occasional 22 win season and you really need to look elsewhere. I realize 22 wins out of 30 is a 73.3% win percentage but that's what it takes in the mid majors to perennially be in the NIT. I know that sounds harsh to fire someone for a 67.7% win percentage but its the reality we live in playing in the MVC. AND, If you want 7,500 fans in the seats every night that IS what it's going to take. With that being said I think new coaches should be given a three year period to build a team to that level.
I agree with everything you and TBS are saying. The issue at hand is that Bloomington/Normal is a front runner community. Many have jumped aboard the Illini band wagon. I’m hoping ISU can right the ship sometime soon.
We have had one, ONE, coach in the Division I era who was above the 66.7% benchmark, and there is much conjecture just how clean that program was:
You forgot the caveat. And times are different now. First three seasons don't count. Start counting from there. If they fail from there they're gone. Ein 70% or we move on. That should be the mindset or else status quo because 20-10 gets you nowhere. Don't settle
Johnny Hill first transferred to North Texas State before going to Purdue as a grad transfer as I recall.
I could be wrong but I think that was Zach Lofton. You were kind of right...Texas Arlington!
You are wrong. Lofton went to Minnesota, but never played there, then Texas Southern and eventually ended up at New Mexico State.
Save your $1,000 for buying me beers in St. Louis.
Reeves and Horne are both way better player’s as Freshman & Sophomore’s than Paris Lee was. If I could go back to your post (and a few of your fellow Redbird and Dan bashers on here) I would probably find you were the same guys saying how bad Paris Lee was, and that we needed to get a point guard to replace him. Furthermore, Howard Fleming Jr is a much better player as a Freshman than Paris Lee was (and PLee ended up as one of the top 10 PG to wear a Redbird uniform). So don’t give me that crap that this team doesn’t have talent, they are just young right now, and they don’t have a Jackie to throw the ball down low to (Mahorcic is getting better, and although he is no Jackie, I think he will be a very good center next season), and they have zero Senior leadership. Any of these three guards are good enough to transfer to a power 5 conference. And as far as that team that Jank left Dan that transferred, I would take any one of these three over any of those that transferred (and you can also through Emon Washington in there).
He is on year 11 of eligibility now at Grand Valley State
Not sure if you are referring to my post. If so, I am not advocating or suggesting Reeves, Horne, Fleming, Washington, or Mahorcic transfer. I am hoping that none of them will be transferring. I’m just stating that they have more talent than any of the players that transferred from Dan’s first team, which Rico made sound like were much better than the player’s we currently have on our roster.
You just like to throw shit out there, don’t you. What proof do you have that Paris improved more from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year than DJ & Antonio have? And that PLee was better his Junior year than DJ & Antonio will be?
dan cant develop players you know this. it was yak and oliver
Why do you think Fleming is a much better player than Lee was as a freshmen? Stats don’t scream out in Fleming’s favor over Lee. Lee did benefit from playing with more talent his freshmen year.