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[ricohill]

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

While I agree the roster changes every year, Muller isn't "dropping" people. That's not to say he has not renewed a scholarship due to disciplinary reason, I believe he has. But, he doesn't yank schollies based on performance.

To add to that, my guess is he values the players you (and others) tear down repeatedly, more than you do. That being said, my guess is a couple of players leave in the offseason (not a stretch prediction as it happens every year), I just don't think it will be any of the albatrosses.

The way it’s done is off season meeting, where Dan says “I see zero minutes for you next year”, and then leave it up to the kid. Most will look elsewhere.

Well said. :text-+1: :text-+1: :text-+1: :text-+1:

 

[Redbirdfan06]

Sorry, that should be walk on.

1 Milik Yarborough
2 Keyshawn Evans
3 Phil Fayne
4 Zach Copeland
5 Madison Williams
6 Elijah Clarance
7 Taylor Bruninga
8 Demontay Dixon
9 Rey Idowu
10
11
12
13
WO Issac Gassman
WO Matt Chastain

We are essentially getting nothing out of the 4 guys except empty minutes, and not even empty minutes from one. I'll take my chances. We are getting destroyed now with them on roster. Not sure why we can't recruit meaningful players in the Spring. Signed MM in May. This is just wishful thinking. Sounds like we'll be lucky if the Big/Top 3 remains in tact.

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

Why should Hein be punished for giving it his all and playing the minutes he is asked? I don’t think removing Hein’s scholarship fixes the issues with this team. Why not point the finger at the coaching staff who plays Hein all those minutes and exposes him at times? We replace Heins scholarship with another hustler and we then start complaining about all the minutes that kid is receiving. This team never going to be full of 12 blue chippers, so you need the Matt heins towards the bottom of the roster. It’s the coaches job to put the kids in the situations to make the team most sucessful.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

TeamRankings
Illinois St. Basketball
Predictions Update
Jan 25, 2018
• After losing to N Iowa 83-72 yesterday, Illinois St. is now projected to finish the regular season 14-16 (8-10 MVC).
• The odds that the Redbirds make the NCAA tournament are currently 4%.
• We currently rank Illinois St. as the #167 team in the country, and the #8 team in the MVC.
• Next game: Sat, Jan 27 vs. #156 Valparaiso. Our power ratings give the Redbirds a 61% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 4%
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 4%
Projected Seed (if Selected) 14

• Illinois St. almost certainly won't get an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament, so they need to earn an automatic bid by winning the MVC tournament.
• As for an automatic bid ... Illinois St. has a 4% chance to win the conference tournament. The outlook is bleak, but stranger things have happened.

Regular Season Record Projection
14-16
(8-10 MVC)

MVC Tournament Projections
Get MVC #1 Seed 0%
Projected Seed 8
Win MVC Tournament 4%

• The odds for Illinois St. to earn the #1 seed in the MVC tournament haven't changed since yesterday.
• The chance of Illinois St. winning the MVC tournament has not changed since yesterday.

Remaining Games & Win Odds
Jan 27
vs. #156 Valparaiso
61.3%
Jan 30
@ #106 Missouri St
20.8%
Feb 3
vs. #168 Evansville
64.9%
Feb 8
vs. #154 S Illinois
61.1%
Feb 11
@ #156 Valparaiso
31.8%
Feb 14
@ #134 Bradley
26.6%
Feb 17
vs. #118 N Iowa
51.4%
Feb 21
vs. #178 Drake
67.1%
Feb 24
@ #79 Loyola-Chi
14.2%

 

[ricohill]

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

Why should Hein be punished for giving it his all and playing the minutes he is asked? I don’t think removing Hein’s scholarship fixes the issues with this team. Why not point the finger at the coaching staff who plays Hein all those minutes and exposes him at times? We replace Heins scholarship with another hustler and we then start complaining about all the minutes that kid is receiving. This team never going to be full of 12 blue chippers, so you need the Matt heins towards the bottom of the roster. It’s the coaches job to put the kids in the situations to make the team most sucessful.

Maybe it's because he's taking a valuable scholarship and is the worst offensive player in the league (Tinsley and Madison near the bottom as well). Not to mention Hein has the 2nd worst TO ratio in the league.

http://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=28&minusage=0&minGP=0&minORtg=0&mineFG=0&minTS=0&minOR=0&minDR=0&minAst=0&minTO=100&minBlk=0&minStl=0&min2P=0&min3P=0&minFT=0&minftr=0&minht=0&maxht=100&minftm=0&minfta=0&minthreepm=0&minthreepa=0&mintwopm=0&mintwopa=0&sortToggle=0&yvalue=All&cvalue=MVC&tvalue=All&year=2018&minmin=40&c=0&top=351&kw=&start=20171101&end=20180501&ppg=-10

 

[ISU FAN 1]

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

Why should Hein be punished for giving it his all and playing the minutes he is asked? I don’t think removing Hein’s scholarship fixes the issues with this team. Why not point the finger at the coaching staff who plays Hein all those minutes and exposes him at times? We replace Heins scholarship with another hustler and we then start complaining about all the minutes that kid is receiving. This team never going to be full of 12 blue chippers, so you need the Matt heins towards the bottom of the roster. It’s the coaches job to put the kids in the situations to make the team most sucessful.

Dan got himself into this spot where Hein isn’t at the bottom of this roster. He can either fix it or fail. Tough decisions. And Dan’s future in coaching hinge on his decisions.

 

[V Boy]

Still think the beatdown to Indiana St and the subsequent beatdown by UNI in the first 30 mins was the best thing that could have happened to the Redbirds.

They were embarrassed....humiliated....and exposed as a dinged up small group of capable 1on1 players......but not a team.....and only a group of players with major roster limitations.

There is only one way out of this......play like a team. The Big 3 have to do more, but also have to get more out of everyone else.

Everyone has to make the extra pass, draw charges, dive on floors, set screens, block out and not turn the effing ball over 17 times.

If Milik takes plays off on defense we are dead.

If Keyshawn goes 10 mins without scoring we are dead.

If Fayne doesn't average 10 rebounds from here on out we are dead.

Ndaiye has got to block shots and rebound. He does not need to score.

Tinsley has got to take the ball to the hole more and not run people over. He can basically dunk on the entire league. Do it.

Williams should only.....and I mean only.....shoot when he is wide open.

And since we know our man to man defense is terrible, the help defense has to be way better. in the paint and weak-side. Guys have GOT to recover and close out or we will keep getting torched.

 

[ricohill]

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

Why should Hein be punished for giving it his all and playing the minutes he is asked? I don’t think removing Hein’s scholarship fixes the issues with this team. Why not point the finger at the coaching staff who plays Hein all those minutes and exposes him at times? We replace Heins scholarship with another hustler and we then start complaining about all the minutes that kid is receiving. This team never going to be full of 12 blue chippers, so you need the Matt heins towards the bottom of the roster. It’s the coaches job to put the kids in the situations to make the team most sucessful.

Maybe it's because he's taking a valuable scholarship and is the worst offensive player in the league (Tinsley and Madison near the bottom as well). Not to mention Hein has the 2nd worst TO ratio in the league.

http://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=28&minusage=0&minGP=0&minORtg=0&mineFG=0&minTS=0&minOR=0&minDR=0&minAst=0&minTO=100&minBlk=0&minStl=0&min2P=0&min3P=0&minFT=0&minftr=0&minht=0&maxht=100&minftm=0&minfta=0&minthreepm=0&minthreepa=0&mintwopm=0&mintwopa=0&sortToggle=0&yvalue=All&cvalue=MVC&tvalue=All&year=2018&minmin=40&c=0&top=351&kw=&start=20171101&end=20180501&ppg=-10

and he is ranked 2130 out of 2139 players in the country. When there are only 9 players worse than you in the country and you are starting....it's a problem.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

A kid without a lick of athletic ability or talent gets 3 years of college paid for, and people want to cry him a river if his scholarship isn’t renewed. If I sucked at my job, I would be asked to leave. Welcome to the real world.

 

[DWRedbird]

Still think the beatdown to Indiana St and the subsequent beatdown by UNI in the first 30 mins was the best thing that could have happened to the Redbirds.

They were embarrassed....humiliated....and exposed as a dinged up small group of capable 1on1 players......but not a team.....and only a group of players with major roster limitations.

There is only one way out of this......play like a team. The Big 3 have to do more, but also have to get more out of everyone else.

Everyone has to make the extra pass, draw charges, dive on floors, set screens, block out and not turn the effing ball over 17 times.

If Milik takes plays off on defense we are dead.

If Keyshawn goes 10 mins without scoring we are dead.

If Fayne doesn't average 10 rebounds from here on out we are dead.

Ndaiye has got to block shots and rebound. He does not need to score.

Tinsley has got to take the ball to the hole more and not run people over. He can basically dunk on the entire league. Do it.

Williams should only.....and I mean only.....shoot when he is wide open.

And since we know our man to man defense is terrible, the help defense has to be way better. in the paint and weak-side. Guys have GOT to recover and close out or we will keep getting torched.

:text-+1:

I agree with quite a bit of this. We play like a team, we buy in to everything defensively, and our guys play 100% the rest of the way, I think we right the ship. No more plays off for anyone. You hit the court, you give 100% at both ends

 

[DWRedbird]

A kid without a lick of athletic ability or talent gets 3 years of college paid for, and people want to cry him a river if his scholarship isn’t renewed. If I sucked at my job, I would be asked to leave. Welcome to the real world.

1. If this were the business world, the kid wouldn't be let go. He won a game for us earlier in the year, and has kept us afloat at times when our other players couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. He will never light up a stat sheet, but every business team has a person like him on it. This would be like him having the contact that you need to complete your task for the company, or the kid coming up with the idea that solves the problem your big project was having.

2. Recruiting is a crap shoot. Just removing Hein from the equation doesn't mean that you are going to land a stud. It just doesn't work like that. You are just as likely to get a guy who contributes in the same fashion as you are to get a superstar. And frankly you won't know until the player hits the floor.

3. And as much as you several others want him to be, the problem is, Hein isn't the problem. We don't play as a team, that's the problem. That's the ship that needs to be righted. Get everyone to play 100% of the time, and we have more wins, regardless of whether Hein is on the roster or not. Unfortunately we don't have that right now.

 

[TIMMY]

Saw the score last night, knew what I'd read today. There are some real jerks on this board.

 

[Redbird28]

Still think the beatdown to Indiana St and the subsequent beatdown by UNI in the first 30 mins was the best thing that could have happened to the Redbirds.

They were embarrassed....humiliated....and exposed as a dinged up small group of capable 1on1 players......but not a team.....and only a group of players with major roster limitations.

There is only one way out of this......play like a team. The Big 3 have to do more, but also have to get more out of everyone else.

Everyone has to make the extra pass, draw charges, dive on floors, set screens, block out and not turn the effing ball over 17 times.

If Milik takes plays off on defense we are dead.

If Keyshawn goes 10 mins without scoring we are dead.

If Fayne doesn't average 10 rebounds from here on out we are dead.

Ndaiye has got to block shots and rebound. He does not need to score.

Tinsley has got to take the ball to the hole more and not run people over. He can basically dunk on the entire league. Do it.

Williams should only.....and I mean only.....shoot when he is wide open.

And since we know our man to man defense is terrible, the help defense has to be way better. in the paint and weak-side. Guys have GOT to recover and close out or we will keep getting torched.

:text-+1:

Relevant, level headed take on where we better head the rest of the way this season so that we are hopefully playing up to our highest potential come March in St. Louis.

 

[ricohill]

I've always wondered on here what jobs people work? I don't know many jobs out there that allow you to be terrible and don't fire you.

Also, how do I get a job that has such low expectations that I can get a free ride?

 

[ISU FAN 1]

A kid without a lick of athletic ability or talent gets 3 years of college paid for, and people want to cry him a river if his scholarship isn’t renewed. If I sucked at my job, I would be asked to leave. Welcome to the real world.

1. If this were the business world, the kid wouldn't be let go. He won a game for us earlier in the year, and has kept us afloat at times when our other players couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. He will never light up a stat sheet, but every business team has a person like him on it. This would be like him having the contact that you need to complete your task for the company, or the kid coming up with the idea that solves the problem your big project was having.

2. Recruiting is a crap shoot. Just removing Hein from the equation doesn't mean that you are going to land a stud. It just doesn't work like that. You are just as likely to get a guy who contributes in the same fashion as you are to get a superstar. And frankly you won't know until the player hits the floor.

3. And as much as you several others want him to be, the problem is, Hein isn't the problem. We don't play as a team, that's the problem. That's the ship that needs to be righted. Get everyone to play 100% of the time, and we have more wins, regardless of whether Hein is on the roster or not. Unfortunately we don't have that right now.

You're right. It's a gamble. Muller is in the business world, and his job depends on his decisions and successes. Who do you want to save? Muller or Hein? If Muller keeps making Hein type decisions, his shelf life will be short.

 

[isuquinndog]

I've always wondered on here what jobs people work? I don't know many jobs out there that allow you to be terrible and don't fire you.

Also, how do I get a job that has such low expectations that I can get a free ride?

I'd ask the same of you. I work for a Fortune 1000 company and "sucking" isn't enough to fire someone, without gross misconduct. There are Improvement Plans, mentoring, reassignment of duties to do something else. Firing is never the first option for "you aren't doing the job".

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Still think the beatdown to Indiana St and the subsequent beatdown by UNI in the first 30 mins was the best thing that could have happened to the Redbirds.

They were embarrassed....humiliated....and exposed as a dinged up small group of capable 1on1 players......but not a team.....and only a group of players with major roster limitations.

There is only one way out of this......play like a team. The Big 3 have to do more, but also have to get more out of everyone else.

Everyone has to make the extra pass, draw charges, dive on floors, set screens, block out and not turn the effing ball over 17 times.

If Milik takes plays off on defense we are dead.

If Keyshawn goes 10 mins without scoring we are dead.

If Fayne doesn't average 10 rebounds from here on out we are dead.

Ndaiye has got to block shots and rebound. He does not need to score.

Tinsley has got to take the ball to the hole more and not run people over. He can basically dunk on the entire league. Do it.

Williams should only.....and I mean only.....shoot when he is wide open.

And since we know our man to man defense is terrible, the help defense has to be way better. in the paint and weak-side. Guys have GOT to recover and close out or we will keep getting torched.

Curious V Boy...what are the white folk on the team suppose to do....LOL.

edit...reinforcing the humor perspective of this post.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Still think the beatdown to Indiana St and the subsequent beatdown by UNI in the first 30 mins was the best thing that could have happened to the Redbirds.

They were embarrassed....humiliated....and exposed as a dinged up small group of capable 1on1 players......but not a team.....and only a group of players with major roster limitations.

There is only one way out of this......play like a team. The Big 3 have to do more, but also have to get more out of everyone else.

Everyone has to make the extra pass, draw charges, dive on floors, set screens, block out and not turn the effing ball over 17 times.

If Milik takes plays off on defense we are dead.

If Keyshawn goes 10 mins without scoring we are dead.

If Fayne doesn't average 10 rebounds from here on out we are dead.

Ndaiye has got to block shots and rebound. He does not need to score.

Tinsley has got to take the ball to the hole more and not run people over. He can basically dunk on the entire league. Do it.

Williams should only.....and I mean only.....shoot when he is wide open.

And since we know our man to man defense is terrible, the help defense has to be way better. in the paint and weak-side. Guys have GOT to recover and close out or we will keep getting torched.

Curious V Boy...what are the white folk on the team suppose to do....LOL.

Edit...reinforcing the humor factor in this post

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I've always wondered on here what jobs people work? I don't know many jobs out there that allow you to be terrible and don't fire you.

Also, how do I get a job that has such low expectations that I can get a free ride?

I'd ask the same of you. I work for a Fortune 1000 company and "sucking" isn't enough to fire someone, without gross misconduct. There are Improvement Plans, mentoring, reassignment of duties to do something else. Firing is never the first option for "you aren't doing the job".

Firing someone, even for sucking, takes time for a documentation process to play out at many Fortune 1000 type firms. Essentially to avoid a lawsuit. Requires documented long term suckage, and failure to respond to action plans to address said suckage.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Still think the beatdown to Indiana St and the subsequent beatdown by UNI in the first 30 mins was the best thing that could have happened to the Redbirds.

They were embarrassed....humiliated....and exposed as a dinged up small group of capable 1on1 players......but not a team.....and only a group of players with major roster limitations.

There is only one way out of this......play like a team. The Big 3 have to do more, but also have to get more out of everyone else.

Everyone has to make the extra pass, draw charges, dive on floors, set screens, block out and not turn the effing ball over 17 times.

If Milik takes plays off on defense we are dead.

If Keyshawn goes 10 mins without scoring we are dead.

If Fayne doesn't average 10 rebounds from here on out we are dead.

Ndaiye has got to block shots and rebound. He does not need to score.

Tinsley has got to take the ball to the hole more and not run people over. He can basically dunk on the entire league. Do it.

Williams should only.....and I mean only.....shoot when he is wide open.

And since we know our man to man defense is terrible, the help defense has to be way better. in the paint and weak-side. Guys have GOT to recover and close out or we will keep getting torched.

Curious V Boy...what are the white folk on the team suppose to do....LOL.

edit...reinforcing the humor perspective of this post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7sNpXJ6ci0

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I've always wondered on here what jobs people work? I don't know many jobs out there that allow you to be terrible and don't fire you.

Also, how do I get a job that has such low expectations that I can get a free ride?

I'd ask the same of you. I work for a Fortune 1000 company and "sucking" isn't enough to fire someone, without gross misconduct. There are Improvement Plans, mentoring, reassignment of duties to do something else. Firing is never the first option for "you aren't doing the job".

Quinn agree with most of your points but I would hope that Muller has been mentoring all players, and in someways already had Hein (and some others including Milik) on an improvement plan. Do not agree one has to be reassigned before they are fired. In the end the last point does not matter as we can not assign a men's bball player to the Women's bball team or to the wrestling team .