At Northern Iowa 1/24

[DaveBird10]

Davebird, some here just don't wanna hear a calm voice of reason. We lose two games we have lost most every season for the last decade, but it's time to burn it all down because our coach stinks all of the sudden, our players stink all of the sudden (they are all leaving, anyway, according to some of these posters) and everything is now awful.

Who knows what's up. But there is not enough yet for go off the ledge.

bb fan I agree. I live by you find the true fans in a down year and years like this make last year's team more enjoyable. Not every year turns out how we like. Got to be a voice of reason and not let 18-23 year olds determine how I feel bc I enjoy this university so much.

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[ThisIsTheLineup]

Davebird, some here just don't wanna hear a calm voice of reason. We lose two games we have lost most every season for the last decade, but it's time to burn it all down because our coach stinks all of the sudden, our players stink all of the sudden (they are all leaving, anyway, according to some of these posters) and everything is now awful.

Who knows what's up. But there is not enough yet for go off the ledge.

I recall last season brought people out of the woodwork - people that either are new to ISU basketball or decided to start paying attention to them again. That sets a high expectation. While this season has been aggravating, calling this year a total disaster after last year would be like comparing apples to oranges. The last time we had two solid years, back to back, was 07-08/08-09. If Champ and Osiris left after the 07-08 season, there is NO WAY we would have win games in 08-09.

I understand why people are frustrated - I am too. However, I am not worried. This is in no way a sinking ship. If this happens next year, then yeah I would be worried.

 

[isuquinndog]

So just saying we showed a little heart is "sugarcoating" it. Not surprising you think that. A slight glimmer of being positive is disturbing to some.

There is not one person on this board who wants ISU to lose.

Read this thread. You are wrong.

 

[V Boy]

Davebird, some here just don't wanna hear a calm voice of reason. We lose two games we have lost most every season for the last decade, but it's time to burn it all down because our coach stinks all of the sudden, our players stink all of the sudden (they are all leaving, anyway, according to some of these posters) and everything is now awful.

Who knows what's up. But there is not enough yet for go off the ledge.

I recall last season brought people out of the woodwork - people that either are new to ISU basketball or decided to start paying attention to them again. That sets a high expectation. While this season has been aggravating, calling this year a total disaster after last year would be like comparing apples to oranges. The last time we had two solid years, back to back, was 07-08/08-09. If Champ and Osiris left after the 07-08 season, there is NO WAY we would have win games in 08-09.

I understand why people are frustrated - I am too. However, I am not worried. This is in no way a sinking ship. If this happens next year, then yeah I would be worried.

The fact that people expect us to be mediocre after having 1 good year is really just very sad.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Here's my roster going into next year.

1 Milik Yarborough
2 Keyshawn Evans
3 Phil Fayne
4 Zach Copeland
5 Madison Williams
6 Elijah Clarance
7 Taylor Bruninga
8 Demontay Dixon
9 Rey Idowu
10
11
12
13
RS Issac Gassman
RS Matt Chastain

 

[ThisIsTheLineup]

Davebird, some here just don't wanna hear a calm voice of reason. We lose two games we have lost most every season for the last decade, but it's time to burn it all down because our coach stinks all of the sudden, our players stink all of the sudden (they are all leaving, anyway, according to some of these posters) and everything is now awful.

Who knows what's up. But there is not enough yet for go off the ledge.

I recall last season brought people out of the woodwork - people that either are new to ISU basketball or decided to start paying attention to them again. That sets a high expectation. While this season has been aggravating, calling this year a total disaster after last year would be like comparing apples to oranges. The last time we had two solid years, back to back, was 07-08/08-09. If Champ and Osiris left after the 07-08 season, there is NO WAY we would have win games in 08-09.

I understand why people are frustrated - I am too. However, I am not worried. This is in no way a sinking ship. If this happens next year, then yeah I would be worried.

The fact that people expect us to be mediocre after having 1 good year is really just very sad.

Then start rooting for Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas - where that doesn't happen. I mean holy cow it happens almost everywhere.

 

[isuquinndog]

You can't RS Chastain. He is RS this year due to transferring.

And that team is going to get destroyed. Where are you going to sign 4 guys in the spring that are better than what we have now? You aren't.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

You can't RS Chastain. He is RS this year due to transferring.

And that team is going to get destroyed. Where are you going to sign 4 guys in the spring that are better than what we have now? You aren't.

Sorry, that should be walk on.

1 Milik Yarborough
2 Keyshawn Evans
3 Phil Fayne
4 Zach Copeland
5 Madison Williams
6 Elijah Clarance
7 Taylor Bruninga
8 Demontay Dixon
9 Rey Idowu
10
11
12
13
WO Issac Gassman
WO Matt Chastain

We are essentially getting nothing out of the 4 guys except empty minutes, and not even empty minutes from one. I'll take my chances. We are getting destroyed now with them on roster. Not sure why we can't recruit meaningful players in the Spring. Signed MM in May. This is just wishful thinking. Sounds like we'll be lucky if the Big/Top 3 remains in tact.

 

[ricohill]

I recall last season brought people out of the woodwork - people that either are new to ISU basketball or decided to start paying attention to them again. That sets a high expectation. While this season has been aggravating, calling this year a total disaster after last year would be like comparing apples to oranges. The last time we had two solid years, back to back, was 07-08/08-09. If Champ and Osiris left after the 07-08 season, there is NO WAY we would have win games in 08-09.

I understand why people are frustrated - I am too. However, I am not worried. This is in no way a sinking ship. If this happens next year, then yeah I would be worried.

The fact that people expect us to be mediocre after having 1 good year is really just very sad.

Then start rooting for Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas - where that doesn't happen. I mean holy cow it happens almost everywhere.

Wichita and Creighton were good every year before they left. It's not unrealistic.

Also, we've only had 2 above average seasons in the last 6. Never forget the 0-6 conference start, the Indy State and Mo State MVC tourney disasters, one of which lead to the CBI.

It's only been two NIT appearances and now a Thursday night finish.

 

[Redbird82]

Wichita and Creighton certainly weren’t alone. Didn’t Murray st have like 20 consecutive winning seasons before last year. Butler when still a mid major was in back to back National title games for goodness sakes. Not saying I ever expect us to replicate that. But heck UNI was in the NCAA 7 of 11 years before the last couple. I know some fans negativity is overboard at least IMO. But I get tired of some acting like it’s some impossible feat to have 2 or 3 good years in a row. That’s a lower ceiling than Jank had for us.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Wichita and Creighton certainly weren’t alone. Didn’t Murray st have like 20 consecutive winning seasons before last year. Butler when still a mid major was in back to back National title games for goodness sakes. Not saying I ever expect us to replicate that. But heck UNI was in the NCAA 7 of 11 years before the last couple. I know some fans negativity is overboard at least IMO. But I get tired of some acting like it’s some impossible feat to have 2 or 3 good years in a row. That’s a lower ceiling than Jank had for us.

Was kind of surprised to hear ISU held a somewhat convincing all time series lead over UNI. Now 41-34.

 

[FriscoBird90]

A former ISU head football coach once said about the previous ISU head football coach that while it is one thing to build a good team, it is another thing completely to build a good program. (Ironically enough, the coach who said that turned what seemed to be a good program (at least in terms of wins and losses) at the time back into a mediocre one during his own tenure.) Good programs can stand the test of time and have a degree of continuity of performance at a fairly high level (example: Wichita State under Marshall), while simply having a good team might result in a great year, but it cannot follow it up the next season with even better or somewhat similar results. Seems this program has suffered from a variety of different issues, including injuries, on and off the court since the late phase of last season. This may be oversimplifying it a bit, but the remainder of this season, the upcoming off season, and next season will determine whether this is a good program that simply had a freak, at times horrific season this year, or if it was simply a case of having a good team last year.

 

[bb fan]

Wichita and Creighton were very good every year? I guess it depends how far back you wanna go, but I remember some bad years, especially for Wichita.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Wichita and Creighton were very good every year? I guess it depends how far back you wanna go, but I remember some bad years, especially for Wichita.

They definitely won consistently when it counted. And it counted during the recent years of conference realignment.

 

[DWRedbird]

You can't RS Chastain. He is RS this year due to transferring.

And that team is going to get destroyed. Where are you going to sign 4 guys in the spring that are better than what we have now? You aren't.

Sorry, that should be walk on.

1 Milik Yarborough
2 Keyshawn Evans
3 Phil Fayne
4 Zach Copeland
5 Madison Williams
6 Elijah Clarance
7 Taylor Bruninga
8 Demontay Dixon
9 Rey Idowu
10
11
12
13
WO Issac Gassman
WO Matt Chastain

We are essentially getting nothing out of the 4 guys except empty minutes, and not even empty minutes from one. I'll take my chances. We are getting destroyed now with them on roster. Not sure why we can't recruit meaningful players in the Spring. Signed MM in May. This is just wishful thinking. Sounds like we'll be lucky if the Big/Top 3 remains in tact.

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

 

[ricohill]

You can't RS Chastain. He is RS this year due to transferring.

And that team is going to get destroyed. Where are you going to sign 4 guys in the spring that are better than what we have now? You aren't.

Sorry, that should be walk on.

1 Milik Yarborough
2 Keyshawn Evans
3 Phil Fayne
4 Zach Copeland
5 Madison Williams
6 Elijah Clarance
7 Taylor Bruninga
8 Demontay Dixon
9 Rey Idowu
10
11
12
13
WO Issac Gassman
WO Matt Chastain

We are essentially getting nothing out of the 4 guys except empty minutes, and not even empty minutes from one. I'll take my chances. We are getting destroyed now with them on roster. Not sure why we can't recruit meaningful players in the Spring. Signed MM in May. This is just wishful thinking. Sounds like we'll be lucky if the Big/Top 3 remains in tact.

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

You can't RS Chastain. He is RS this year due to transferring.

And that team is going to get destroyed. Where are you going to sign 4 guys in the spring that are better than what we have now? You aren't.

Sorry, that should be walk on.

1 Milik Yarborough
2 Keyshawn Evans
3 Phil Fayne
4 Zach Copeland
5 Madison Williams
6 Elijah Clarance
7 Taylor Bruninga
8 Demontay Dixon
9 Rey Idowu
10
11
12
13
WO Issac Gassman
WO Matt Chastain

We are essentially getting nothing out of the 4 guys except empty minutes, and not even empty minutes from one. I'll take my chances. We are getting destroyed now with them on roster. Not sure why we can't recruit meaningful players in the Spring. Signed MM in May. This is just wishful thinking. Sounds like we'll be lucky if the Big/Top 3 remains in tact.

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

I realize recruiting is a crapshoot. Realistically, I would only expect to hit on 2 out of the 4.

Of the 3 active players I left off, they are playing too many minutes to combine for only 12 ppg and 10 rpg, not to mention horrible shooting % and assist to turnover ratio. Some can’t defend, blah blah blah. Deficiencies too numerous to list. We could and should get 12 and 10 from one replacement player, with many fewer minutes. We need some legit D1 starter players.

There will be significant exodus. That has become the norm. Prefer to lose from the bottom of the roster than the top.

 

[DWRedbird]

Sorry, that should be walk on.

1 Milik Yarborough
2 Keyshawn Evans
3 Phil Fayne
4 Zach Copeland
5 Madison Williams
6 Elijah Clarance
7 Taylor Bruninga
8 Demontay Dixon
9 Rey Idowu
10
11
12
13
WO Issac Gassman
WO Matt Chastain

We are essentially getting nothing out of the 4 guys except empty minutes, and not even empty minutes from one. I'll take my chances. We are getting destroyed now with them on roster. Not sure why we can't recruit meaningful players in the Spring. Signed MM in May. This is just wishful thinking. Sounds like we'll be lucky if the Big/Top 3 remains in tact.

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

While I agree the roster changes every year, Muller isn't "dropping" people. That's not to say he has not renewed a scholarship due to disciplinary reason, I believe he has. But, he doesn't yank schollies based on performance.

To add to that, my guess is he values the players you (and others) tear down repeatedly, more than you do. That being said, my guess is a couple of players leave in the offseason (not a stretch prediction as it happens every year), I just don't think it will be any of the albatrosses.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

While I agree the roster changes every year, Muller isn't "dropping" people. That's not to say he has not renewed a scholarship due to disciplinary reason, I believe he has. But, he doesn't yank schollies based on performance.

To add to that, my guess is he values the players you (and others) tear down repeatedly, more than you do. That being said, my guess is a couple of players leave in the offseason (not a stretch prediction as it happens every year), I just don't think it will be any of the albatrosses.

The way it’s done is off season meeting, where Dan says “I see zero minutes for you next year”, and then leave it up to the kid. Most will look elsewhere.

 

[ricohill]

1. Muller isn't going to "blow up" the roster. He likely won't ask one guy to leave (if they haven't broken the law or a frequent violator of team rules), let alone 4. If he did, its going to look very, very bad on the recruiting trail. Unless you are a team like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or UNC, you need all the positive press you can get on the recruiting trail.

2. I think we lose a couple of guys in the offseason, as we do every year. Probably not any of the 4 you've albatrossed though.

3. While you can get high talent, "meaningful" players during spring recruiting the odds are significantly lower, especially if you want ones that will make an impact the next season. And the odds of landing 4 are miniscule at best (yes I'm saying theres a chance). We landed MM in the spring, but he had to sit out his first year for us because he wasn't academically eligible. In your scenario above, that wouldn't help us next year, and would be more or less like this year, which you would likely complain about.

The roster has been drastically changed for a variety of reasons, every year that Muller has been here. The problem is they need to drop Hein and Romine, but I don't know how you drop Hein and keep David.

While I agree the roster changes every year, Muller isn't "dropping" people. That's not to say he has not renewed a scholarship due to disciplinary reason, I believe he has. But, he doesn't yank schollies based on performance.

To add to that, my guess is he values the players you (and others) tear down repeatedly, more than you do. That being said, my guess is a couple of players leave in the offseason (not a stretch prediction as it happens every year), I just don't think it will be any of the albatrosses.

You can drop kids without "dropping" them. You can paint the picture that coming back won't be good for the player.

This is a business and I think Dan is smart enough to know this group isn't good enough to win next year.