Will our Interim AD fire Spack?

[MadBird]

I was a Beathard fan for sure .. not just knowledgeable but also a QB whisperer type. Which can be very helpful when playing for a guy like Spack in charge. I said this a lot at time .. IMO Kolbe's 1st strong year under Dickens was a hangover from Beathard who was Kolbes OC for 2.5 years before leaving suddenly that summer. Dickens was quite the opposite personality and was bad at absorbing Spack's wrath like Beathard would.

I have no idea if Peterson is good at absorbing Spack's wrath when things go wrong. But this year seems less reactive to negatives than last year. Not sure if true but sure seems like it.

Next year will be big test for Peterson without Annexstad. But to this point, I think he is what we've been looking for since Beathard.

Let's keep him .. he will attract offensive talent from HS and portal.

Yes, another "test" for Peterson will be if he CAN recruit, either from HS or the portal. We've got the QB commit from Arizona coming in, how good is he? Is he someone Peterson meshed with?

I was reading about Notre Dame, they have two QB's who were HS recruits, and were "portaled" over this year, and the expectation is they will be again next year, so would either of them stick around. That has to be happening all over FBS-land. Hopefully, someone will fall our way.

The guy from Valpo hasn't seen the field, behind Rittenhouse. Has he reached his ceiling?

 

[fourthandshort]

Yes, another "test" for Peterson will be if he CAN recruit, either from HS or the portal. We've got the QB commit from Arizona coming in, how good is he? Is he someone Peterson meshed with?

I was reading about Notre Dame, they have two QB's who were HS recruits, and were "portaled" over this year, and the expectation is they will be again next year, so would either of them stick around. That has to be happening all over FBS-land. Hopefully, someone will fall our way.

The guy from Valpo hasn't seen the field, behind Rittenhouse. Has he reached his ceiling?

Great point .. it is an unknown still. Last year was inconsistent signs of progress. But our offensive stats and film will no longer be what scares them away. Like Roberson, we were very lucky to land Annexstad. The next one should require less "luck" maybe .. I hope. The other big thing though is TE production the last 2 years ... it screams we know what were doing.

This "should" get us longer looks from better QBs, TEs, and WRs. But youre right .. we'll see if this bears fruit next year.

 

[TBS_20]

Great point .. it is an unknown still. Last year was inconsistent signs of progress. But our offensive stats and film will no longer be what scares them away. Like Roberson, we were very lucky to land Annexstad. The next one should require less "luck" maybe .. I hope. The other big thing though is TE production the last 2 years ... it screams we know what were doing.

This "should" get us longer looks from better QBs, TEs, and WRs. But youre right .. we'll see if this bears fruit next year.

Mediocrity year after year does not scream they know what they're doing. And, if they are getting good prospects and they're not performing its probably the coaches fault developing, theyre not really good prospects, or scheme/gameplan. Instead of trying again next year with the same coaches how about we fix the problem? I know, it's a foreign concept.

 

[fourthandshort]

Mediocrity year after year does not scream they know what they're doing. And, if they are getting good prospects and they're not performing its probably the coaches fault developing, theyre not really good prospects, or scheme/gameplan. Instead of trying again next year with the same coaches how about we fix the problem? I know, it's a foreign concept.

TBS .. please read what i actually said, then respond only to what i said. Then extrapolate all you like after that.

I am simply talking about our new/improved pass game and our OC Peterson ... right ?????

It is clearly improved .. right ?????



Or better yet ...

 

[crazzymark]

If they replaced Brock as head coach, they would have to bring in somebody that is well known. ISU can't do this nickel and dime crap they always do by bringing a no name head coaches for other sports.

 

[Birgs]

If they replaced Brock as head coach, they would have to bring in somebody that is well known. ISU can't do this nickel and dime crap they always do by bringing a no name head coaches for other sports.

Like Mo. State with Bobby Petrino?

...yeah, um...well that was just a swell direction.

(actually I was surprised his "system" and some sort of nepotistic connections still exist from with the Bears' offense according to Spack's presser this week)

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

some thoughts I have about the current ISU head football coach position:

• I glanced down the list of 130 or so FCS universities and eye balling the list based upon enrollment, academic standing, athletic budget and facilities (along with eliminating all ivy and pioneer teams) I believe that ISU is a top 24 FCS program as respects to ability to win. We should routinely be an fcs playoff team with the goal of trying to break the top 10 on occasion....AND, if all the pieces fall in place, win a championship.
• ISU is paying their football coach $300,000 a year to produce. Students primarily fund the athletic department and Redbird coach's salaries via fees that students are required to pay. Indirectly some students take out "school" loans to to help pay for our coaches salary. Students deserve results now given the financial burden.
• at the highest levels of football a coach is given 3 to 4 years to produce or he is out. ISU, obviously is not at that level, should not tolerate more than 4 to 5 years of non-production. That 4 to 5 year period is a rolling period so that results beyond the 5 year timeline become diminished/ immaterial. ISU's current coach has had some tremendous success in the now distant past. He has been given more than the benefit of the doubt (given his prior results) as he is now going on 7 years with one playoff appearance. Yes i believe ISU is done this year after the last regular season game as schedule does not have enough octane remaining even if they win out. The current coach has already been gifted 2 additional years ($600,000) so it is absolutely time to move on. Only one playoff appearance in 7 years is non-performing in my view and especially unacceptable to the current students who fund a significant portion of all coach's salaries. I will be disappointed if ISU sits around waiting for their coach to retire. Let's try to right the ship now.
• ISU needs the exposure that comes from having a successful football program. ISU has significant upside to gain from football if the right leadership (starting with the new President) is in place to develop a plan to move up. It will not be easy and it will take time but there is so much to gain especially when factoring in university exposure. BTW...it is backwards, imo, that ISU pays its basketball coach far more than their football coach given where the overwhelming money/exposure is in college sports. That is my view on which sport ISU should prioritize and I am personally a basketball first fan.

At the most basic level the ISU football program is stale and non-producing and it is time for a change.

 

[fourthandshort]

some thoughts I have about the current ISU head football coach position:

• I glanced down the list of 130 or so FCS universities and eye balling the list based upon enrollment, academic standing, athletic budget and facilities (along with eliminating all ivy and pioneer teams) I believe that ISU is a top 24 FCS program as respects to ability to win. We should routinely be an fcs playoff team with the goal of trying to break the top 10 on occasion....AND, if all the pieces fall in place, win a championship.
• ISU is paying their football coach $300,000 a year to produce. Students primarily fund the athletic department and Redbird coach's salaries via fees that students are required to pay. Indirectly some students take out "school" loans to to help pay for our coaches salary. Students deserve results now given the financial burden.
• at the highest levels of football a coach is given 3 to 4 years to produce or he is out. ISU, obviously is not at that level, should not tolerate more than 4 to 5 years of non-production. That 4 to 5 year period is a rolling period so that results beyond the 5 year timeline become diminished/ immaterial. ISU's current coach has had some tremendous success in the now distant past. He has been given more than the benefit of the doubt (given his prior results) as he is now going on 7 years with one playoff appearance. Yes i believe ISU is done this year after the last regular season game as schedule does not have enough octane remaining even if they win out. The current coach has already been gifted 2 additional years ($600,000) so it is absolutely time to move on. Only one playoff appearance in 7 years is non-performing in my view and especially unacceptable to the current students who fund a significant portion of all coach's salaries. I will be disappointed if ISU sits around waiting for their coach to retire. Let's try to right the ship now.
• ISU needs the exposure that comes from having a successful football program. ISU has significant upside to gain from football if the right leadership (starting with the new President) is in place to develop a plan to move up. It will not be easy and it will take time but there is so much to gain especially when factoring in university exposure. BTW...it is backwards, imo, that ISU pays its basketball coach far more than their football coach given where the overwhelming money/exposure is in college sports. That is my view on which sport ISU should prioritize and I am personally a basketball first fan.

At the most basic level the ISU football program is stale and non-producing and it is time for a change.

Uh ... there's a game going on. Can we at least wait until after the game ? Or season ? To judge the season ?

All you guys wrote us off in 2019 too.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Uh ... there's a game going on. Can we at least wait until after the game ? Or season ? To judge the season ?

All you guys wrote us off in 2019 too.

if someone starts a thread and i feel like commenting on it when i feel like commenting what's it to you? mind your own business.

 

[TBS_20]

Actually, I'm not even going to say anything after this game. They have a losing record and there is no hope to pull playoffs out of their butts. Nobody can defend him after today's game. Sure, they'll try but it's just laughable and they know it, as well. They're just giving lip service. I just don't think he makes it past this season at this point regardless of his contract. Beggs isn't blind.

 

[Hamdonger]

Actually, I'm not even going to say anything after this game. They have a losing record and there is no hope to pull playoffs out of their butts. Nobody can defend him after today's game. Sure, they'll try but it's just laughable and they know it, as well. They're just giving lip service. I just don't think he makes it past this season at this point regardless of his contract. Beggs isn't blind.

Can't you at least say, good win, Redbirds?

 

[Hamdonger]

some thoughts I have about the current ISU head football coach position:

• I glanced down the list of 130 or so FCS universities and eye balling the list based upon enrollment, academic standing, athletic budget and facilities (along with eliminating all ivy and pioneer teams) I believe that ISU is a top 24 FCS program as respects to ability to win. We should routinely be an fcs playoff team with the goal of trying to break the top 10 on occasion....AND, if all the pieces fall in place, win a championship.
• ISU is paying their football coach $300,000 a year to produce. Students primarily fund the athletic department and Redbird coach's salaries via fees that students are required to pay. Indirectly some students take out "school" loans to to help pay for our coaches salary. Students deserve results now given the financial burden.
• at the highest levels of football a coach is given 3 to 4 years to produce or he is out. ISU, obviously is not at that level, should not tolerate more than 4 to 5 years of non-production. That 4 to 5 year period is a rolling period so that results beyond the 5 year timeline become diminished/ immaterial. ISU's current coach has had some tremendous success in the now distant past. He has been given more than the benefit of the doubt (given his prior results) as he is now going on 7 years with one playoff appearance. Yes i believe ISU is done this year after the last regular season game as schedule does not have enough octane remaining even if they win out. The current coach has already been gifted 2 additional years ($600,000) so it is absolutely time to move on. Only one playoff appearance in 7 years is non-performing in my view and especially unacceptable to the current students who fund a significant portion of all coach's salaries. I will be disappointed if ISU sits around waiting for their coach to retire. Let's try to right the ship now.
• ISU needs the exposure that comes from having a successful football program. ISU has significant upside to gain from football if the right leadership (starting with the new President) is in place to develop a plan to move up. It will not be easy and it will take time but there is so much to gain especially when factoring in university exposure. BTW...it is backwards, imo, that ISU pays its basketball coach far more than their football coach given where the overwhelming money/exposure is in college sports. That is my view on which sport ISU should prioritize and I am personally a basketball first fan.

At the most basic level the ISU football program is stale and non-producing and it is time for a change.

Whether I agree with them or not, your go deeper posts are always well thought out and well spoken, with lots of sage in them. I appreciate that and folks, this is a dude who has skin in the game.

 

[TBS_20]

Winning changes nothing I said but the win loss record by the way. It was embarrassing. And, I do believe after that performance he's gone

 

[Birgs]

some thoughts I have about the current ISU head football coach position:

• I glanced down the list of 130 or so FCS universities and eye balling the list based upon enrollment, academic standing, athletic budget and facilities (along with eliminating all ivy and pioneer teams) I believe that ISU is a top 24 FCS program as respects to ability to win. We should routinely be an fcs playoff team with the goal of trying to break the top 10 on occasion....AND, if all the pieces fall in place, win a championship.
• ISU is paying their football coach $300,000 a year to produce. Students primarily fund the athletic department and Redbird coach's salaries via fees that students are required to pay. Indirectly some students take out "school" loans to to help pay for our coaches salary. Students deserve results now given the financial burden.
• at the highest levels of football a coach is given 3 to 4 years to produce or he is out. ISU, obviously is not at that level, should not tolerate more than 4 to 5 years of non-production. That 4 to 5 year period is a rolling period so that results beyond the 5 year timeline become diminished/ immaterial. ISU's current coach has had some tremendous success in the now distant past. He has been given more than the benefit of the doubt (given his prior results) as he is now going on 7 years with one playoff appearance. Yes i believe ISU is done this year after the last regular season game as schedule does not have enough octane remaining even if they win out. The current coach has already been gifted 2 additional years ($600,000) so it is absolutely time to move on. Only one playoff appearance in 7 years is non-performing in my view and especially unacceptable to the current students who fund a significant portion of all coach's salaries. I will be disappointed if ISU sits around waiting for their coach to retire. Let's try to right the ship now.
• ISU needs the exposure that comes from having a successful football program. ISU has significant upside to gain from football if the right leadership (starting with the new President) is in place to develop a plan to move up. It will not be easy and it will take time but there is so much to gain especially when factoring in university exposure. BTW...it is backwards, imo, that ISU pays its basketball coach far more than their football coach given where the overwhelming money/exposure is in college sports. That is my view on which sport ISU should prioritize and I am personally a basketball first fan.

At the most basic level the ISU football program is stale and non-producing and it is time for a change.

I applaud your well-crafted points and especially appreciate they are educated and sometimes objectively (although equally subjectively at times) data-driven. It's refreshing that someone on the other side of the ledger brings merit rather than mouth-breathing vitriol to the dance.

Saying this is about as dedicated a Redbird Football fan you can find (thick-and-thin going back to my freshman year ages ago), I am likely the exception, Without dismissing it as a "basketball school" that is what it is. I was a football fan first, who happened to go to ISU. I would beg the question, even during the Frisco year, did ISU FB success tilt the needle at all in terms of an institutional image spike any more out of the ordinary even remotely to things like the new Business Building or Student Rec Center?

Does FCS football have that measurable of a marketing coup in general? It seems more an extremely specialized, localized, mostly regional or traditional beast. Again, speaking as a very passionate member of a minority, the entire entity of FCS football is a blip on the radar.

If we are beating the FBS deadhorse, I could at least lend a little more credence into your "successful program" -> student impact dovetail. Just not seeing it.

Like I said, I do definitely applaud your points as curiously refreshing in terms of rational discussion. Thank you.

 

[Birdswin]

I agree with comments from ChiRedbirdfan regarding the attributes for a new President. However, the Board of Trustees make that decision and their Track Record is very POOR. Hiring a Search Firm has failed twice - so they are going down the road of the Insane. Keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Until there is a different method of getting Trustees - which I will point out there are ZERO alumni from the very successful College of Business - I do not have high expectations on a new President.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I applaud your well-crafted points and especially appreciate they are educated and sometimes objectively (although equally subjectively at times) data-driven. It's refreshing that someone on the other side of the ledger brings merit rather than mouth-breathing vitriol to the dance.

Saying this is about as dedicated a Redbird Football fan you can find (thick-and-thin going back to my freshman year ages ago), I am likely the exception, Without dismissing it as a "basketball school" that is what it is. I was a football fan first, who happened to go to ISU. I would beg the question, even during the Frisco year, did ISU FB success tilt the needle at all in terms of an institutional image spike any more out of the ordinary even remotely to things like the new Business Building or Student Rec Center?

Does FCS football have that measurable of a marketing coup in general? It seems more an extremely specialized, localized, mostly regional or traditional beast. Again, speaking as a very passionate member of a minority, the entire entity of FCS football is a blip on the radar.

If we are beating the FBS deadhorse, I could at least lend a little more credence into your "successful program" -> student impact dovetail. Just not seeing it.

Like I said, I do definitely applaud your points as curiously refreshing in terms of rational discussion. Thank you.

Thanks Birg for the feedback and your perspective as well. I definitely do not claim to have the answer but try to approach nearly every topic from the prerspective of what is best for Illinois sate UNIVERSITY/students/alumni vs what is best for the Isu athletic department/a specific sport or team /coaches or even fans of a specific sport. That is why I did not mention the football coach’s name as I wanted to focus on what is best for the university and not make it about the coach. I believe that is how it should be as the ISU coaches are compensated well each year so the belief that the coach should be able to hang around due to favorable distant results does not seem rational to me as that puts the university interest aside.

Agree with you 100 percent that fcs does virtually little to almost nothing for the university as respects to university image/marketing. Yes fbs is likely to be far more powerful. The good news is that going fbs may have gotten a whole lot cheaper for ISU if the trade off is ponying up $ 5,000,000 vs having to pay for additional stadium capacity. I would guess that upgrading stadium capacity would have been far more expensive than the cash mandate … it would be interesting to hear other’s perspective. Can anyone confirm that there is no longer a mandate for a certain stadium capacity? A Lot needs to be done but again we need strong motivated leadership to begin the process otherwise we can talk and dream all day until the cows come home and nothing is going to change.

 

[fourthandshort]

if someone starts a thread and i feel like commenting on it when i feel like commenting what's it to you? mind your own business.

Same for me, or no ?

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Same for me, or no ?

Post whenever you want. No idea why you would be asking me.

 

[fourthandshort]

Post whenever you want. No idea why you would be asking me.

You told me to mind my own business .. meaning, I shouldn't have posted what i posted. Which is fine, except you just did what you told me I shouldn't be doing to others. Telling them what or when they can post. I was pointing out the irony.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

You told me to mind my own business .. meaning, I shouldn't have posted what i posted. Which is fine, except you just did what you told me I shouldn't be doing to others. Telling them what or when they can post. I was pointing out the irony.

rather I said to mind your own business as respects to trying to tell me when/what I should be doing. You can disagree with my posts/opinions all day long but what is the point of trying to tell me what do? That is pointless and a needless waste of my time , your time and anyone else that stumbles across the meaningless post.