vs. San Diego State 12/1/18

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Muller’s inability to run the offense through Fayne and Yarb in the post is really bad coaching in my opinion. Copeland and Jefferson and Evans are pretty shoot shooters but they are not strong enough off the dribble to run the offense that way.

And Muller should know this. He should know that Fayne and Yarb in th block is the best chance to score every time down and that open jump shots will come through the patience of working the ball inside out.

A total lack of recognition and discipline here is reducing any possible advantage ISU has

other teams know that too and adjust. The ISU team is what it is..over rated on talent especially as respects to bench and also short on bodies.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Loyolas final four run was inspiring...to us. We all hoped maybe buying into the coaches plan would happen because of it. Doesn't appear to have had any effect. This is the same team as last season at best. They might have even taken a step back. Maybe bruninga the difference.

I agree. I thought adding Copeland and Jefferson would make ISU better. And with the Tinsley and Evans regression, it’s hard to tell where we are at. I like Taylor, but I’m not putting it on him to be the cure to all that ails the Birds. I just don’t think he’s the kind of player to put that burden on.

I still think this can be an interesting season, if everyone steps up to their potential. Just not hitting on all cylinders. But it’s December 1, and the at large was gone before the season started IMO. We could look completely different come March, when it’s meaningful. We were playing out best basketball at the right time last year, and have 3 months to get there again this year.

 

[Redbird222]

We have to remember that a team that is barely over .500 last year with all its guys back isn’t automatically a good team.

And this ISU team clearly is not a good team right now.

It’s a little above average. Again.

Talent isn’t good enough to be a great team.

They have 1 good player (Fayne). 1 sometimes good player (yarb). 2 JUCOs guards figuring it out. And 2 seniors who people thought would take it up a level but clearly have not.

Put that all together and you have another 19-14 type team.

I would argue the two seniors have actually regressed. This along with our defensive rebounding are the biggest reasons why we are struggling more than expected.

Tinsley made 14 of 15 threes in warm-ups. However it doesnt carry over to the game because his ability to connect the 3 is very much predicated on how he receives the pass. If it's to his left or right or low it's almost always a miss.

Evans almost always goes to his right. He is an off guard and not a point. His on ball defense has been worse than previous two years and that may be due to injuries. The one thing he can control is after a shot dont just fly by the shooter and stand on the wrong side .... very irritating and costs us few times today and against Chicago State. Copeland and Mailk can create but are the ones that need to get the others involved. I would not rely on Evans to do this.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

This team would be GREAT if they could finish inside. Currently they live and die by the 3. They either hit 4 or 14. They get inside with ease and come oh so close. They missed about 10 shots from 2/3 feet. Again, make half of those and the game is tied. Also, opens up the perimeter more. They could have won this game just by doing that even though they were out rebounded by 20.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

These long athletic teams just give us trouble

Aren’t we considered to be “long and athletic”? Doesn’t seem to affect anyone we play.

 

[Redbirds0215]

SDSU was a tourney team last year with a pro prospect. Yes we aren’t as good as that team right now but we don’t have our full squad yet. There are no teams in the valley like that team and to the people who think we will be 18-15 are overreacting, this team will be top 2 if not 1 in the valley. Yes the at large is out of the equation but this team will be fine come March


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[CaliRdBrd]

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Exactly. He has a .600 winning percentage. Out of 30 games that's an 18-12 record. Sorry, that's not good enough. Are you guys happy with 18-12 with an nit every 3 seasons. Talk about settling.

You don’t need to settle. Duke’s still looking for more fans.

This is who ISU is. If you are looking for true basketball relevance, you’re looking in the wrong place. We’re usually mediocre to good, and rarely great. We’re a middling mid major in an uninspiring conference. The ceiling is what it is.

When have we ever been great?

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Exactly. He has a .600 winning percentage. Out of 30 games that's an 18-12 record. Sorry, that's not good enough. Are you guys happy with 18-12 with an nit every 3 seasons. Talk about settling.

You don’t need to settle. Duke’s still looking for more fans.

This is who ISU is. If you are looking for true basketball relevance, you’re looking in the wrong place. We’re usually mediocre to good, and rarely great. We’re a middling mid major in an uninspiring conference. The ceiling is what it is.

When have we ever been great?

The Donewald and Stallings Big Dance teams were great mid major teams IMO.

 

[ekeyfanclub]

This board seriously suffers from small sample sizes. Each game doesn't represent an entire season. There are ebbs and flows to not only games but seasons. Players and teams can get hot and they can go cold.

SDSU was a very good team who we didn't matchup well with. We rebounded poorly and we shot poorly. We haven't rebounded well this year and that is a trend that needs to be corrected. On the other hand, I think our offense and shooting has been pretty good this year. Just didn't have it today. Tinsley and Evans have started the season cold. We all know that both players are capable of making shots. Tinsley started out very cold last year.

We are 6-3 with no bad losses but no big wins besides maybe BYU. I think we have not lived up to expectations so far, but I also think we are improving and still have high expectations for the rest of the season. We should compete for a MVC title. That is my expectation for most seasons and I would believe that most fans would agree. I swear some of you enjoy it more when we lose because you think that means you were right about this team, no matter how ridiculous and unrealistic you sound.

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[CaliRdBrd]

Evans is obviously not fully recovered from his injury. People on her probably should back off. Leave him at the point, but make sure he doesn’t shoot until he’s right...Jefferson is more than capable of being a solid two and getting the points that Evans isn’t. Also, MY is all MVC. Not sure you can lay blame on him...same with Fayne.
I do t care if Tinsley goes 99/100 from 3 in warmups. if you can’t make them during the game, that’s a useless stat. You should see me on the driving range...I’m all world. On the actual course, not so much.

ISUFan1 said it best a while ago...temper your expectations...it’s easier way to be a Redbird fan.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

You don’t need to settle. Duke’s still looking for more fans.

This is who ISU is. If you are looking for true basketball relevance, you’re looking in the wrong place. We’re usually mediocre to good, and rarely great. We’re a middling mid major in an uninspiring conference. The ceiling is what it is.

When have we ever been great?

The Donewald and Stallings Big Dance teams were great mid major teams IMO.

IMO, repeated Elite 8 appearances is the minimum consideration for “great”. We havent even sniffed a Sweet 16.
I know you’re desperately reaching here...as Redbird fans, it’s all we got.

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

This board seriously suffers from small sample sizes. Each game doesn't represent an entire season. There are ebbs and flows to not only games but seasons. Players and teams can get hot and they can go cold.

SDSU was a very good team who we didn't matchup well with. We rebounded poorly and we shot poorly. We haven't rebounded well this year and that is a trend that needs to be corrected. On the other hand, I think our offense and shooting has been pretty good this year. Just didn't have it today. Tinsley and Evans have started the season cold. We all know that both players are capable of making shots. Tinsley started out very cold last year.

We are 6-3 with no bad losses but no big wins besides maybe BYU. I think we have not lived up to expectations so far, but I also think we are improving and still have high expectations for the rest of the season. We should compete for a MVC title. That is my expectation for most seasons and I would believe that most fans would agree. I swear some of you enjoy it more when we lose because you think that means you were right about this team, no matter how ridiculous and unrealistic you sound.

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[CaliRdBrd]

This board seriously suffers from small sample sizes. Each game doesn't represent an entire season. There are ebbs and flows to not only games but seasons. Players and teams can get hot and they can go cold.

SDSU was a very good team who we didn't matchup well with. We rebounded poorly and we shot poorly. We haven't rebounded well this year and that is a trend that needs to be corrected. On the other hand, I think our offense and shooting has been pretty good this year. Just didn't have it today. Tinsley and Evans have started the season cold. We all know that both players are capable of making shots. Tinsley started out very cold last year.

We are 6-3 with no bad losses but no big wins besides maybe BYU. I think we have not lived up to expectations so far, but I also think we are improving and still have high expectations for the rest of the season. We should compete for a MVC title. That is my expectation for most seasons and I would believe that most fans would agree. I swear some of you enjoy it more when we lose because you think that means you were right about this team, no matter how ridiculous and unrealistic you sound.

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Laughable.
20+ years with ZERO NCAA appearances is no “small sample size”.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

When have we ever been great?

The Donewald and Stallings Big Dance teams were great mid major teams IMO.

IMO, repeated Elite 8 appearances is the minimum consideration for “great”. We havent even sniffed a Sweet 16.
I know you’re desperately reaching here...as Redbird fans, it’s all we got.

I don’t disagree. Nationally, none of our teams would have been considered great. I’m speaking more in relative terms to the ISU basketball experience. To be fair, one’s draw matters. Luck matters. Loyola got a good draw, and won a bunch of last possession games. I thought ISU had some tough draws, and tough luck (injuries to McKenney, Skip, Smiley). It’s hard to lose backcourts and beat #1 seeds. Loyola played a 6, 3, 9, and 11 seed, and doubt they win any if Custer was injured.

 

[ekeyfanclub]

This board seriously suffers from small sample sizes. Each game doesn't represent an entire season. There are ebbs and flows to not only games but seasons. Players and teams can get hot and they can go cold.

SDSU was a very good team who we didn't matchup well with. We rebounded poorly and we shot poorly. We haven't rebounded well this year and that is a trend that needs to be corrected. On the other hand, I think our offense and shooting has been pretty good this year. Just didn't have it today. Tinsley and Evans have started the season cold. We all know that both players are capable of making shots. Tinsley started out very cold last year.

We are 6-3 with no bad losses but no big wins besides maybe BYU. I think we have not lived up to expectations so far, but I also think we are improving and still have high expectations for the rest of the season. We should compete for a MVC title. That is my expectation for most seasons and I would believe that most fans would agree. I swear some of you enjoy it more when we lose because you think that means you were right about this team, no matter how ridiculous and unrealistic you sound.

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Laughable.
20+ years with ZERO NCAA appearances is no “small sample size”.

Yes because what happened 20 years ago is completely relevant to this season. My apologies I thought we were talking about this game and this season.

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[CaliRdBrd]

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Laughable.
20+ years with ZERO NCAA appearances is no “small sample size”.

Yes because what happened 20 years ago is completely relevant to this season. My apologies I thought we were talking about this game and this season.

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Who is talking about 20 years ago? I’m talking about zero postseason appearances since 19-friggin-97! I’d call the last 20 years of no NCAA tournament games anything but a “small sample size”.

 

[V Boy]

Muller’s inability to run the offense through Fayne and Yarb in the post is really bad coaching in my opinion. Copeland and Jefferson and Evans are pretty shoot shooters but they are not strong enough off the dribble to run the offense that way.

And Muller should know this. He should know that Fayne and Yarb in th block is the best chance to score every time down and that open jump shots will come through the patience of working the ball inside out.

A total lack of recognition and discipline here is reducing any possible advantage ISU has

other teams know that too and adjust. The ISU team is what it is..over rated on talent especially as respects to bench and also short on bodies.

You don’t have to adjust to anything when the head coach doesn’t do it.

ISU has arguably 2 of the best 4 or 5 post players in the league and neither of them touches the ball on the block on probably 50-60% of the possessions.

 

[ekeyfanclub]

Laughable.
20+ years with ZERO NCAA appearances is no “small sample size”.

Yes because what happened 20 years ago is completely relevant to this season. My apologies I thought we were talking about this game and this season.

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Who is talking about 20 years ago? I’m talking about zero postseason appearances since 19-friggin-97! I’d call the last 20 years of no NCAA tournament games anything but a “small sample size”.

My small sample size statement was about statements such as "Chastain isn't a D1 player" made 10 mins into the 2nd game of the year. Or how about statements that we are the same team as last year and we will be lucky to be .500. Or that Evans is terrible.

I am not sure how not making the tourney for 20 years has anything to do with the performance of this team this season. Everyone here wants to make the tournament.



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[Hrtnfldhse]

Chastain was in tennis shoes, no boot or crutches. Not sure if that was posted.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

It's should be ncaa or bust after this being his best team. This is turning out yo be not quite as bad as version as Paul Lusk last season. SIU has had enough and said ncaa or bust. Msu followed through. ISU needs to, as well. 7 years is long enough.