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And the (Way overrated) Big Ten started with 9 teams in the Tournament. I would not be surprised to see Florida State take out Michigan Sunday and end the Big Ten’s season! Drake probably could have beaten the Illini. USC is a very good team that is better than Illinois.
So, other than the fact USC is in the sweet 16 and Illinois is not, why do you think they are a better team. The fact they destroyed the worst Kansas team in over a decade? Is Colorado a better team than USC? They beat USC 3 times. But Colorado isn’t in the sweet 16.
 

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So is the rumor true that the much-hyped big ten and the Valley have the same number of teams in the Sweet 16?

I'm not understating Loyola's loss of Krutwig after this year, but from what I saw on Sunday, his 6'-10" back-up (only a freshman, I think) may soon be the best "5" in the Valley; the kid pretty much held his own against Cockburn when giving Krutwig a few breaks.
 

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It probably takes at least 4 years to clean up the program you inherited and begin to have a roster full of your own recruits; recruits that fit the style of play you’re trying to incorporate. If you buy into that theory, and I think it’s pretty legit, you need to focus on his career from year 4 or 5 on.
I’d think this would be true for any coach heading up a new program.
Conversely, if you inherit a program because the coach that left gave you the reins, that theory is likely out the window.
I don't disagree about being patient with a coach so they can get their own guys in there, it is just interesting that 14 years went by and really didn't have much success. With Loyola, he found success in year 7. Now he is regarded as one of the best coaches out there. It's a great story. I just wish the story played out at ISU.
 

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And the (Way overrated) Big Ten started with 9 teams in the Tournament. I would not be surprised to see Florida State take out Michigan Sunday and end the Big Ten’s season! Drake probably could have beaten the Illini. USC is a very good team that is better than Illinois.
Let’s not forget the very favorable seeds the Big Ten received as well. Seeds designed to give them the easiest possible path to the Sweet 16.
As for Drake beating Illinois...no way.
 

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Let’s not forget the very favorable seeds the Big Ten received as well. Seeds designed to give them the easiest possible path to the Sweet 16.
As for Drake beating Illinois...no way.
I guess since they will not play, we can only go by opinion. I’m too lazy to go back and research, but guessing you said “no way” Loyola beats Illinois. Big Ten is way overrated & overseeded!
Drake was right there most of the game against USC. Drake was coming off a one day rest.

USC pounded Kansas 85-51.
Oregon pounded Iowa 95-80
Alabama pounded Maryland 96-77
Baylor beat Wisconsin 76-63
Loyola beatThe Cryin’ Illini by 13
Houston beat Rutgers 63-60
UCLA beat Michigan State 86-80
ORAL ROBERTS beat Ohio State 75-72
NORTH TEXAS beat Purdue 78-69


I will not be surprised if Florida State beats Michigan Sunday to end the Overrated Big Ten Season

Every year same for Big Ten. Get 8 or 9 teams in the Tournament because Big Ten is sooo great. Teams that can’t win half their conference games get in because Big Ten is sooo great.
 

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Porter is such and interesting story. It wasn't until his 14th year of coaching that his team finished in the top half of the conference standings. That year they ended up going to the final four. I've heard multiple media outlets refer to him as the best coach in college basketball now. It's amazing and he deserves all of the accolades he gets.

It probably takes at least 4 years to clean up the program you inherited and begin to have a roster full of your own recruits; recruits that fit the style of play you’re trying to incorporate. If you buy into that theory, and I think it’s pretty legit, you need to focus on his career from year 4 or 5 on.
I’d think this would be true for any coach heading up a new program.
Conversely, if you inherit a program because the coach that left gave you the reins, that theory is likely out the window.

How long does it take Muller to rebuild the program he inherited and clean up? 12-15 years? Lol!!!
 

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I guess since they will not play, we can only go by opinion. I’m too lazy to go back and research, but guessing you said “no way” Loyola beats Illinois. Big Ten is way overrated & overseeded!
Drake was right there most of the game against USC. Drake was coming off a one day rest.

USC pounded Kansas 85-51.
Oregon pounded Iowa 95-80
Alabama pounded Maryland 96-77
Baylor beat Wisconsin 76-63
Loyola beatThe Cryin’ Illini by 13
Houston beat Rutgers 63-60
UCLA beat Michigan State 86-80
ORAL ROBERTS beat Ohio State 75-72
NORTH TEXAS beat Purdue 78-69


I will not be surprised if Florida State beats Michigan Sunday to end the Overrated Big Ten Season

Every year same for Big Ten. Get 8 or 9 teams in the Tournament because Big Ten is sooo great. Teams that can’t win half their conference games get in because Big Ten is sooo great.
I think it's more about the matchups. DU "probably" has little chance against U of I, but on any given nite you never know. LU matches up better with the Illini, and it showed. Yes, B10 was overrated/overseeded, same as B12. Pac 12 was probably underrated/underseeded. This season was just a mess with non-conf opportunities. It's an asterisk year, imo.
 

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Wisconsin beat Loyola and Louisville, Penn State beat Virginia Tech, Rutgers beat Syracuse, Iowa beat North Carolina, Ohio St. beat UCLA. Duke was beaten and ranked when Illinois played them, I think I'm right. Baylor beat Illinois. Question is, how many "good" non-con games were scheduled?
Thanks for the research Madbird. Some of the big 10's wins at the time turned out being duds. According to seeding, their best win turned out being no better than an 8 seed. Even though the eye test supports their talent, mathematically it does not. I know it was "difficult to schedule" this year and your question to "how many non-con games were scheduled" is always what keeps the mid-majors out of the tournament. However, in the big 10's case, it was a reason to get more of their teams in. Just my biased opinion.
 

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Loyola gets Oregon St in the Sweet 16. Two hard nosed defensive teams and with Loyola's penchant to eat clock and still run an offense with five seconds to go on the shot clock I give them a slight edge.

I hope Muller is watching the tournament as he gets ready for his 10th year here. Maybe he learns something, but I doubt it.
 

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I guess since they will not play, we can only go by opinion. I’m too lazy to go back and research, but guessing you said “no way” Loyola beats Illinois. Big Ten is way overrated & overseeded!
Drake was right there most of the game against USC. Drake was coming off a one day rest.

USC pounded Kansas 85-51.
Oregon pounded Iowa 95-80
Alabama pounded Maryland 96-77
Baylor beat Wisconsin 76-63
Loyola beatThe Cryin’ Illini by 13
Houston beat Rutgers 63-60
UCLA beat Michigan State 86-80
ORAL ROBERTS beat Ohio State 75-72
NORTH TEXAS beat Purdue 78-69


I will not be surprised if Florida State beats Michigan Sunday to end the Overrated Big Ten Season

Every year same for Big Ten. Get 8 or 9 teams in the Tournament because Big Ten is sooo great. Teams that can’t win half their conference games get in because Big Ten is sooo great.
I agree FSU will have a good shot at beating Michigan (Livers is out for Michigan), but Drakes team was depleted
 

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Loyola gets Oregon St in the Sweet 16. Two hard nosed defensive teams and with Loyola's penchant to eat clock and still run an offense with five seconds to go on the shot clock I give them a slight edge.

I hope Muller is watching the tournament as he gets ready for his 10th year here. Maybe he learns something, but I doubt it.
Muller is way, way, way too smart to watch any other teams/programs and learn anything. He's got it all figured out and needs no help. He's smarter than everyone.
 

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So, other than the fact USC is in the sweet 16 and Illinois is not, why do you think they are a better team. The fact they destroyed the worst Kansas team in over a decade? Is Colorado a better team than USC? They beat USC 3 times. But Colorado isn’t in the sweet 16.
I’ve seen nothing from the tournament results that indicates anything other than the Big Ten is overrated. And from what I saw from Illinois, and the discipline that Drake plays with, Drake would give the Illini a game. As I stated before, they are not playing so who would win will remain unknown.

As for this horrible Kansas team that USC just beat by 34 points, here are some of the teams they played:
Gonzaga- #1 Ranked team in the country 102-That horrible Kansas team #12 Ranked (11 NET) 90
Kansas 73
#19 ranked, NET 26 and Sweet 16 participant, Creighton 72
Kansas 58
#21 ranked, NET 16 Texas Tech 57
Kansas 67
#21 ranked NET 16 Texas Tech 61
Kansas 79
#13 ranked, NET 24 W. Virginia 65
Kansas 78
#11 ranked NET 29 Oklahoma State 66
Kansas 63
#31 ranked NET 36 Oklahoma 59
Kansas 69
#31 ranked NET 36 Oklahoma 62
Kansas 71
#2 Nationally Ranked, #1 Tournament Seed, and Sweet 16 participant Baylor 58
 

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I’ve seen nothing from the tournament results that indicates anything other than the Big Ten is overrated. And from what I saw from Illinois, and the discipline that Drake plays with, Drake would give the Illini a game. As I stated before, they are not playing so who would win will remain unknown.

As for this horrible Kansas team that USC just beat by 34 points, here are some of the teams they played:
Gonzaga- #1 Ranked team in the country 102-That horrible Kansas team #12 Ranked (11 NET) 90
Kansas 73
#19 ranked, NET 26 and Sweet 16 participant, Creighton 72
Kansas 58
#21 ranked, NET 16 Texas Tech 57
Kansas 67
#21 ranked NET 16 Texas Tech 61
Kansas 79
#13 ranked, NET 24 W. Virginia 65
Kansas 78
#11 ranked NET 29 Oklahoma State 66
Kansas 63
#31 ranked NET 36 Oklahoma 59
Kansas 69
#31 ranked NET 36 Oklahoma 62
Kansas 71
#2 Nationally Ranked, #1 Tournament Seed, and Sweet 16 participant Baylor 58
When did I call Kansas horrible? I said it was the worst Kansas team in over a decade. They fell out of top 25 in feb which is unheard of at Kansas. So you took that out of context.

Also, when did I bring Drake up in my post? You said USC was better than Illinois. I was asking why you thought that and if you think Colorado is better than USC since they beat them 3 times. Other than USC going farther in the tournament, I don’t think it’s a clear cut case to say USC is better than Illinois.
 

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When did I call Kansas horrible? I said it was the worst Kansas team in over a decade. They fell out of top 25 in feb which is unheard of at Kansas. So you took that out of context.

Also, when did I bring Drake up in my post? You said USC was better than Illinois. I was asking why you thought that and if you think Colorado is better than USC since they beat them 3 times. Other than USC going farther in the tournament, I don’t think it’s a clear cut case to say USC is better than Illinois.
The Drake comment was for CaliRdBrd.
Your “the worst Kansas team in over a decade” kinda sounds like USC pounding them by 34 was no big deal.
 

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The Drake comment was for CaliRdBrd.
Your “the worst Kansas team in over a decade” kinda sounds like USC pounding them by 34 was no big deal.
Anytime you beat a team by 34 in the second round is impressive. But am I going to say USC is better than Illinois because of that game. No. Kansas took a couple of beatings this year. One time at home to a Texas team (worst loss at home during Self era) that was taken out by a 14 seed. Kansas got their 3 seed based off their Baylor win. And that was a Baylor team playing their second game after a layoff from covid.
 

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Anytime you beat a team by 34 in the second round is impressive. But am I going to say USC is better than Illinois because of that game. No. Kansas took a couple of beatings this year. One time at home to a Texas team (worst loss at home during Self era) that was taken out by a 14 seed. Kansas got their 3 seed based off their Baylor win. And that was a Baylor team playing their second game after a layoff from covid.
Sox loves using creative license.
 

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Making the NCAA Tournament is the most important thing ISU can do. Wish we weren’t wasting our time on football. 4 of the 16 teams in the sweet 16 don’t have football.

Fire Muller with the money we are wasting on that half a$$ed indoor practice facility they will build.
 

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Making the NCAA Tournament is the most important thing ISU can do. Wish we weren’t wasting our time on football. 4 of the 16 teams in the sweet 16 don’t have football.

Fire Muller with the money we are wasting on that half a$$ed indoor practice facility they will build.

As someone said, “can we afford to not fire Muller?”
 
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