Parting is such sweet sorrow

[ricohill]

I think 19-12...and a CBI bid for a team with 3-4 seniors is a failed season. You can call it what you want. Anything less than an NCAA bid for me would be a failure. I know you sound excited just to be 1/120 teams playing in March. I see it different.

I need to hear it from you, 72. ISU was screwed by the committee 2 years ago. Not only was that a tournament team, but it was a tournament team with Elite 8 potential. And we didn't get in because we are in the Valley and the committee thought that "big name" schools with far worse resumes, top to bottom, would make more money. Literally no other reason.

I do agree that the 2016-17 ISU team had the talent to be an ncaa tournament team but I differ from there in that I believe they ultimately underachieved and failed to earn/prove it. The Redbirds were 27-6 at the time of selection Sunday, 17-1 MVC and tied for 1st in conference with the following notables:

1. Lost at Murray State in the season opener. Murray State finished the season 16-17, 8-8 in the ovc and was seeded 7th in their conference tournament. A bad loss and the one the sits atop the Redbird resume when you look at their record...meaning unfortunately it sticks out like a yellow pimple on the end of a nose.

2. Lost the 3rd game of the season at TCU, at team that was 19-15 on selection Sunday, 6-12 in the Big 12 and finished 7th place in their conference.

3. Lost at Tulsa, 15-17 record, 8-10 AAC, 7th place in conference

4. Finished 3rd in a weak/marginal Diamond Head Classic Holiday tournament with a loss to San Francisco, 20-12, 10-8 WCC, 4th in the WCC.

5. Finished 17-1 (but so did another MVC team) regular season in the 12th RPI conference with Sun Belt and MAC right on the MVC heels as respects to RPI. Had an impressive win over the Shockers at home when unfortunately not on national TV only to get absolutely obliterated by Wichita 2 times in a row when the game was on national TV.

6. No notable wins outside of the home Wichita game.


I do not see this team as being snubbed rather the ISU team failed to win/compete in 2016-17when it mattered most which resulted in some bad resume/optic losses. The overall weak 26 wins were not enough to overcome the losses/failure to win tournaments. The reality of what should have been I am sure is painful for Muller and the team.

Beyond that not certain how one can say that ISU team was an elite 8 potential team. If i am mischaracterizing let me know.

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[SgtHulka]

Please keep this thread on topic.

 

[Bird Friend]

Why would I donate more money to fund administrative salaries that should be gone? It would be inappropriately used. We need to stop giving scholarships out like it’s Christmas candy.

Then you don't get it . . . at all.

Please explain it then

I'll explain it to you since you're young and immature. Gotta have the money before anythingto will change. Withholding money will only lead to dropping further and further from the goal. And if you're not willing to donate to the program now, you really have no leverage to dictate changes.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Then you don't get it . . . at all.

Please explain it then

I'll explain it to you since you're young and immature. Gotta have the money before anythingto will change. Withholding money will only lead to dropping further and further from the goal. And if you're not willing to donate to the program now, you really have no leverage to dictate changes.

Withholding could also make them realize they have to go about things differently because it shows that the status quo will not be accepted.

Again with the personal attacks. Does it make you feel like more of a man? I can't figure out why the personal attacks have to continue otherwise.

 

[Bird Friend]

Please explain it then

I'll explain it to you since you're young and immature. Gotta have the money before anythingto will change. Withholding money will only lead to dropping further and further from the goal. And if you're not willing to donate to the program now, you really have no leverage to dictate changes.

Withholding could also make them realize they have to go about things differently because it shows that the status quo will not be accepted.

Again with the personal attacks. Does it make you feel like more of a man?

What personal attack? Are you not young? Are you not immature on this board, meaning have only been on here for a short time? Do you always look to be the victim?

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Please keep this thread on topic.

will try but not exactly certain of what the topic is at this point...i guess just waiting for RedBirdYogaGirl4Life to make an appearance?

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

No I'm not either. Having a different viewpoint (that several agree with and several dont) doesn't make one mature or immature.

Calling someone immature is no different than calling someone dumb or pathetic or any other word you can think of. Personal attacks levied against someone you never met just because you disagree are based upon predetermined biases. In essence, stereotyping.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Please keep this thread on topic.

will try but not exactly certain of what the topic is at this point...i guess just waiting for RedBirdYogaGirl4Life to make an appearance?

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[ricohill]

I was bored and interested in seeing how ISU did against top 50 and top 100 competition under Moser, Jank, and Muller. Those are the schools you have to beat to get an at-large bid, plus since Jank took heat for not playing anyone good, I wanted to see how he stacked up to Muller.

Moser:
3-31 record against top 50 teams - 8% winning percentage
4-12 record against top 100 teams - 25% winning percentage

Jank:
6-22 against top 50 - 21% winning percentage
14-15 against top 100 - 48% winning percentage

Muller:
6-30 against top 50 - 14% winning percentage
16-24 against top 100 - 40% winning percentage

Just interesting that Jank had a higher winning percentage against top tier teams.

Also, since Moser took over ISU is 15-83 against top 50 teams 15.3% against those teams. 34-51 overall against top 100 competition for a 40% winning percentage.

 

[ricohill]

I have a kid currently playing a not so “meaningle$$” to me D1 sport. I find it very $ignificant.

Since I'm the one that said it, I will say this, if ISU ever tells men's basketball it has to play buy games to raise money for other sports (happened to Jank at North Texas), or have to cut a basketball support staff position to pay other coaches (Western Illinois), or they don't build the fieldhouse because they have to support other programs, no one should ever complain. I guarantee if men's basketball or football didn't get something they needed to fund track or volleyball, or baseball this board would be going crazy over it.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

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Cross and Track coach here!

That's so cool. Thanks for giving back to the kids DBird!!!
My daughter is a head xc / track coach and 1st year teacher in Indiana.

Great she is gonna love it!!
Im actually retired from teaching/coaching but just started coaching the distance gals at a different HS last year cant get enough I guess!
Best of luck to her!!

My daughter runs XC and Track for a consistently nationally ranked HS program. Such a great sport.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Reggie Redbird]

Why would I donate more money to fund administrative salaries that should be gone? It would be inappropriately used. We need to stop giving scholarships out like it’s Christmas candy.

The good news is you don’t have to. You can donate specifically to a sport, to a fund, to a project. My wife and I do that, so we can make sure the funds are used on “X.”

Thus, how about emailing Dan or Brock and asking, “I want to make a difference. What can I donate $10,000/$25,000/$100,000 to that will help make us competitive in obtaining NCAA bids?” If it’s the indoor, no administrative salaries there. If it’s a fund for Dan to pay more to assistant coaches, that’s not administrative salaries. If you wanted the baseball team to have iPads for every player to study film, you can fun that.

For example, the Franke family funded improvements to the MBB locker room.

So how about it now? That removes the “inappropriately used” concern.

 

[SoCalRedbird]

Count me in as someone who appreciates the presence of new posters, interesting perspectives, and at times, downright emotionally unstable fans. They seem to do a good job keeping us from our fifth and sixth glass of red Koolaid. I do think JN, like Jigga and Baby before him, offer a departure from the norm, and that's okay.

What bothers me about RBF isn't these posters--it's the constant beating of dead horses. Board administrators, who I think do a GREAT job of allowing us to build community, probably need to be more quick to lock down those threads in question.

As for the negativity about Coach Muller and our underwhelming start, count me OUT. I've been a sports fan for long enough to expect far less than what my heart believes, what a message board tells me, and what history has shown us. As an ISU sports fan, I feel entitled to absolutely nothing. But the day we make the tournament and break this damn curse will be simply incredible. (Cue Harry Caray's famous Cubs WS interview... "Sure as God made green apples, the Cubs will be in the World Series.")

As a midly related sidebar, Illinois State and its sports program brings me an immense amount of pride. After being a scholarship athlete in track / XC at a D1 elsewhere, transferring to ISU to focus on academics was one of the best decisions of my life. I owe a lot to that place, and it's simply not in my blood to speak ill of anyone working hard to position my school and its programs at the top of the heap.

See you soon, Redbird Arena and RBF posters. I'll be front row for the conference opener and I'll be @ the Valpo game a few days later. I sincerely look forward to seeing some of you there!

Oh, and I hope TP sticks around. Anybody that can cut a toilet paper joke when the board is self-destructing simply REEKS of good people.


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[RedbirdMan]

People who mute differing opinions and quit because they don’t like things that they read don’t seem to understand what an internet fan message board is.

 

[HailISNU]

guys I love your passion but I don't know how you can put so much effort into constantly bringing up the past. 20 years this, moser that, etc. what's the point?

the only thing that matters is the future. namely, will the Redbirds get to the tournament quicker with Muller as coach or by firing him 9 games into the season?

 

[gobirds72]

Why would I donate more money to fund administrative salaries that should be gone? It would be inappropriately used. We need to stop giving scholarships out like it’s Christmas candy.

The good news is you don’t have to. You can donate specifically to a sport, to a fund, to a project. My wife and I do that, so we can make sure the funds are used on “X.”

Thus, how about emailing Dan or Brock and asking, “I want to make a difference. What can I donate $10,000/$25,000/$100,000 to that will help make us competitive in obtaining NCAA bids?” If it’s the indoor, no administrative salaries there. If it’s a fund for Dan to pay more to assistant coaches, that’s not administrative salaries. If you wanted the baseball team to have iPads for every player to study film, you can fun that.

For example, the Franke family funded improvements to the MBB locker room.

So how about it now? That removes the “inappropriately used” concern.

They do something relevant and I will. Trust me...I have give more money over the last 40 years to ISU then they have give to me.

 

[stats]

Jank:
6-22 against top 50 - 21% winning percentage
14-15 against top 100 - 48% winning percentage

Muller:
6-30 against top 50 - 14% winning percentage
16-24 against top 100 - 40% winning percentage

Just interesting that Jank had a higher winning percentage against top tier teams.

My guess is most people are surprised by this. By reading posts, young people probably figured Jank never played a .500 team, let alone won some.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I have a kid currently playing a not so “meaningle$$” to me D1 sport. I find it very $ignificant.

Since I'm the one that said it, I will say this, if ISU ever tells men's basketball it has to play buy games to raise money for other sports (happened to Jank at North Texas), or have to cut a basketball support staff position to pay other coaches (Western Illinois), or they don't build the fieldhouse because they have to support other programs, no one should ever complain. I guarantee if men's basketball or football didn't get something they needed to fund track or volleyball, or baseball this board would be going crazy over it.

I didn’t take offense to what you said, and actually totally understand your viewpoint. Our athletic department is a business that’s required to have 15 unprofitable programs supported by 2 profitable programs. That model isn’t making GE successful either.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

TP has cried wolf before. He’s not going anywhere.

 

[gobirds72]

TP has cried wolf before. He’s not going anywhere.

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