Parting is such sweet sorrow

[ricohill]

In Jsnhbe1Birds defense, I’ve always thought some of what made the board entertaining were people like him, jigga, babybird, etc. They are the minority voice on here (even though probably speak for the majority outside this message board). I’ve been on here since the beginning and for the most part it’s been a clique of rose colored ISU fans. If you don’t like what he has to say just foe or ignore him.

As I left the arena on Saturday, I realized this, we are a middling mid-major program. We had really one at-large bid season (Janks first, you look at the numbers and the MVC champ team didn’t have enough quality wins). We aren’t awful, but we are miles away from being a top tier college basketball program. San Diego Stats has been pummeled by anyone respectable. Sure, we schedule better, but when have every won a big non-conference game against anyone good? It is what it is.

We have an athletic department that is small time. We can’t print tickets and this week decides to promote Matt Lyons 2.0 (Sean Johnson) because he’s......not as bad at Matt? I don’t know. I mean we spelled Steve Fisher’s name wrong for his tribute. Not sure how anyone can get promoted with the state of ISU athletics.

I no longer get upset or care enough about ISU to throw a fit. I love ISU and will support them no matter what, but we are just treading water. My point being, I’m not sure the negative poster are wrong and the positive poster aren’t either, but everyone should be able to say what they want unless they personally attack a player. Coaches and admins get paid large salaries and know what they are getting into.

 

[Birdman85]

BYE TP! Your posts are usually pointless attempts at humor and never did much for me. Good attention grab on your way out though.

 

[MadBird]

Great post DougSutton, I won't copy it all here, but I boil it down to one phrase you wrote - "toxic energy". That's what keeps me away, or at least from entering a discussion with certain posters. They don't know the difference between fact and opinion, you're out to lunch if you don't agree with them, they're negative, etc. all the time, blah blah blah.

It isn't just this one relatively "new" poster, some of our longest climb out from under their rocks and pompously dump on ISU, players, coaches, administrators, members of this board. It isn't criticism of ISU that anyone minds, it's the pompous "I know better than anyone else, including coaches, administrators, and especially you other numbskull posters".

Chose your discussions, stay away from arguing with the trolls. They'll go away eventually.

 

[ricohill]

Since Muller made the layup against Tennessee here is how ISU has fared in Football and Men's Basketball. The only two sports that really matter.

Football:
99 - FCS Semi-Finals - this was actually an accomplishment because this was before all the powers in 1AA left to go to FBS.

06 - Beat Eastern in playoffs lost to Youngstown State for a second time that season.

12 - Beat Appy State to only go out and get waxed by Eastern Washington

14/15 - back to back titles in MVC titles that they don't win if they play NDSU in the regular season. Choke on the final drive in FCS championship game. Choke at home to Richmond.

16- Don't deserve a playoff bid. Choke to Central Arkansas.

Since then not even competitive in a watered down FCS.

Basketball:

1 MVC regular season championship. The MVC was so bad that year that no team could beat ISU or Wichita.

6 MVC Championship games and absolutely destroyed in 4 of 6.

I'm not sure what there is to be positive about?

 

[isuquinndog]

Rico, respectfully, I stopped reading at "these are the only sports that matter". That's false and a complete slap in the face to all the other men and women who put on a uniform that has Reggie on it.

 

[Brick]

Lots of frustration over the years. Agree that currently we are a middling mid major. But I keep hoping we make that next step up to being a quality mid
Major. I too wish I could keep my
Mouth shut around some of these posters but sometimes it’s just impossible!

 

[DannyCooksey]

Rico, respectfully, I stopped reading at "these are the only sports that matter". That's false and a complete slap in the face to all the other men and women who put on a uniform that has Reggie on it.

:text-+1:

 

[ricohill]

Rico, respectfully, I stopped reading at "these are the only sports that matter". That's false and a complete slap in the face to all the other men and women who put on a uniform that has Reggie on it.

This is an argument that nobody wins, but those sports don't exist without Football and Basketball. They are nice to have, but they don't bring in enough fans and donors to cover their expenses. I probably should have worded it differently.

I go to watch all of their games, but your athletic department is judged by success in Football and Men's Basketball.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

As I left the arena on Saturday, I realized this, we are a middling mid-major program. We had really one at-large bid season (Janks first, you look at the numbers and the MVC champ team didn’t have enough quality wins). We aren’t awful, but we are miles away from being a top tier college basketball program. San Diego Stats has been pummeled by anyone respectable. Sure, we schedule better, but when have every won a big non-conference game against anyone good? It is what it is.

We have an athletic department that is small time. We can’t print tickets and this week decides to promote Matt Lyons 2.0 (Sean Johnson) because he’s......not as bad at Matt? I don’t know. I mean we spelled Steve Fisher’s name wrong for his tribute. Not sure how anyone can get promoted with the state of ISU athletics.

I no longer get upset or care enough about ISU to throw a fit. I love ISU and will support them no matter what, but we are just treading water. My point being, I’m not sure the negative poster are wrong and the positive poster aren’t either, but everyone should be able to say what they want unless they personally attack a player. Coaches and admins get paid large salaries and know what they are getting into.

We have won some good non-conference games; we just haven't won enough of them in the same season. Top-25 Dayton is a good example of a good win. Some would argue playing South Carolina in Puerto Rico last year was a good example, if not them, a 19-12 Tulsa team twice. BYU this year should prove to be a good win.

Then there were the misses, which have hurt. San Diego State is a perfect example, as is UCF last year, of getting the opportunities we want and then not coming through with them.

I don't think we pay our admins outside the top 3-4 "large salaries." Sean just brought in a boatload of money for our school, so to say he shouldn't have gotten promoted, may be speaking without knowing all the facts. He's now an Assistant AD of Development. As a donor who has worked with him recently, he gets it. He does the right things. He doesn't drop the ball on things. If people have trouble with shuttles or video board stuff, it's not him. He is probably the best person to report things to though because you can be sure the message is delivered. However, if our baseball team is bad, we can't really blame the volleyball coach. If our facilities have plumbing issues, that's not really the Director of Marketing. Thus, let's not throw shade on a guy's promotion when the things he is responsible for - raising funds - have shot up since he has taken on a bigger role. Guys like Sean Johnson and Zach Schroeder worked hard to get into their positions, and they're throwing together some things that are making some positive progress. I also know they have pretty thick skin for some of the things lobbed at them. I just think you were way off base with your comment about Sean. Other posters, what do you think about the job Sean has done?

I can be one of the first to be critical of in-game or game-atmosphere issues. For example, advertising $1 small popcorns and then offering something even smaller than the actual small popcorn is false advertising. If I report that to Sean, I know the message will get delivered that concessions dropped the ball on how the executed that. However, I don't hold Sean responsible or penalize him for something outside of his control. The buck stops with Larry Lyons and to an extent, Leanna Bordner and Dwight Merilatt. For football scheduling, it's Peyton Deterding.

 

[BTbird]

It's hard to tell who is a troll and who is just an overly negative person so I usually choose to ignore, however am not always successful. We are having a disappointing year as we seemed to have depth, talent and experience. I put that on DM but these fire the coach threads a couple games into the season are just dumb. Despite not making the NCAA we have had a decent run under DM and am still hopeful that he can get this team to play better together by conference. With the extension, I doubt Muller would be going anywhere for awhile anyway so I think the argument is moot. If we would have gotten that well deserved bid two years ago over Syracuse, would everything be good in the world right now?

I will miss your jokes, TP! Thanks for everything you do for the university. Come back soon!

 

[ricohill]

As I left the arena on Saturday, I realized this, we are a middling mid-major program. We had really one at-large bid season (Janks first, you look at the numbers and the MVC champ team didn’t have enough quality wins). We aren’t awful, but we are miles away from being a top tier college basketball program. San Diego Stats has been pummeled by anyone respectable. Sure, we schedule better, but when have every won a big non-conference game against anyone good? It is what it is.

We have an athletic department that is small time. We can’t print tickets and this week decides to promote Matt Lyons 2.0 (Sean Johnson) because he’s......not as bad at Matt? I don’t know. I mean we spelled Steve Fisher’s name wrong for his tribute. Not sure how anyone can get promoted with the state of ISU athletics.

I no longer get upset or care enough about ISU to throw a fit. I love ISU and will support them no matter what, but we are just treading water. My point being, I’m not sure the negative poster are wrong and the positive poster aren’t either, but everyone should be able to say what they want unless they personally attack a player. Coaches and admins get paid large salaries and know what they are getting into.

We have won some good non-conference games; we just haven't won enough of them in the same season. Top-25 Dayton is a good example of a good win. Some would argue playing South Carolina in Puerto Rico last year was a good example, if not them, a 19-12 Tulsa team twice. BYU this year should prove to be a good win.

Then there were the misses, which have hurt. San Diego State is a perfect example, as is UCF last year, of getting the opportunities we want and then not coming through with them.

I don't think we pay our admins outside the top 3-4 "large salaries." Sean just brought in a boatload of money for our school, so to say he shouldn't have gotten promoted, may be speaking without knowing all the facts. He's now an Assistant AD of Development. As a donor who has worked with him recently, he gets it. He does the right things. He doesn't drop the ball on things. If people have trouble with shuttles or video board stuff, it's not him. He is probably the best person to report things to though because you can be sure the message is delivered. However, if our baseball team is bad, we can't really blame the volleyball coach. If our facilities have plumbing issues, that's not really the Director of Marketing. Thus, let's not throw shade on a guy's promotion when the things he is responsible for - raising funds - have shot up since he has taken on a bigger role. Guys like Sean Johnson and Zach Schroeder worked hard to get into their positions, and they're throwing together some things that are making some positive progress. I also know they have pretty thick skin for some of the things lobbed at them. I just think you were way off base with your comment about Sean. Other posters, what do you think about the job Sean has done?

I can be one of the first to be critical of in-game or game-atmosphere issues. For example, advertising $1 small popcorns and then offering something even smaller than the actual small popcorn is false advertising. If I report that to Sean, I know the message will get delivered that concessions dropped the ball on how the executed that. However, I don't hold Sean responsible or penalize him for something outside of his control. The buck stops with Larry Lyons and to an extent, Leanna Bordner and Dwight Merilatt. For football scheduling, it's Peyton Deterding.

I'm not going to argue too much about this, but what is a boat load of money? I know about the $500,000 donation and the $40,000 for the lights. That is far from a boatload for a D1 athletic department to be an assistant AD. Indiana State just raised almost $300,000 in one day.

Sean is ok and has potential, but was fine where he was at within the athletic department. That is my thought. We now have him, Dwight, and Learfield all trying to bring in money and we barley keep the lights on.

I'm done arguing. We are in trouble as an athletic department and I don't think people realize it.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

you are tiresome.

I try to make my posts all logical and data based with a little (maybe a bunch of) pro-HCDM/program lean. That said, this statement is 100% fair and logical.

While I don't always agree with posts being deleted, we need to be able to avoid being so invested in anything as to dive into any kind of specific personal attack. If Quinn sees a conversation spiraling into a point where it will just lead to people attacking eachother, not only does he have the right to shut it down, but he has the responsibility.

This is a place for conversation and debate, but not warfare. Want to call someone out for giving the staff crap? Go for it. Want to call out another person for defending them when the have a shit game? Fire at will. But don't let it spiral. I think the mods do a good job of allowing conversation and debate here.

Still, the constant trolling that is happening out of this new crop of goobers makes it not fun to moderate. Quinn is a better leader than I would be because I would have no issue identifying the trolls, warning them in private and then just deleting account upon next offense.

All and all: Stop. Being. Tiresome.

If you don't want to support the program or the school, then don't, but take your constant inane trash talk of the program off this board. If you think your constant constant constant suggestion that Dan Muller should be fired or MY should be benched for some reason is helping the program, you'd be incorrect.

Support the team, support the program and support the university. Debate the best ways to do this in the immediate and in the long term, but ALWAYS support. If you can't support at least one of the three at all times, you have no business here.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Since Muller made the layup against Tennessee here is how ISU has fared in Football and Men's Basketball. The only two sports that really matter.

Football:
99 - FCS Semi-Finals - this was actually an accomplishment because this was before all the powers in 1AA left to go to FBS.

06 - Beat Eastern in playoffs lost to Youngstown State for a second time that season.

12 - Beat Appy State to only go out and get waxed by Eastern Washington

14/15 - back to back titles in MVC titles that they don't win if they play NDSU in the regular season. Choke on the final drive in FCS championship game. Choke at home to Richmond.

16- Don't deserve a playoff bid. Choke to Central Arkansas.

Since then not even competitive in a watered down FCS.

Basketball:

1 MVC regular season championship. The MVC was so bad that year that no team could beat ISU or Wichita.

6 MVC Championship games and absolutely destroyed in 4 of 6.

I'm not sure what there is to be positive about?

Women's Volleyball made the NCAA tournament this year, Softball and Soccer tend to be among the best programs in the midwest and top 20% in the country. It seems like ISU ALWAYS has a track and field athlete competing for a national championship. All this and women's basketball has an arrow pointing to the moon at the moment.

You need to get out of your bubble and notice the DEPARTMENT instead of just what you can watch from your couch on ESPN+

 

[bb fan]

Good stuff, Redbird Warrior and Reggie Redbird.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

As I left the arena on Saturday, I realized this, we are a middling mid-major program. We had really one at-large bid season (Janks first, you look at the numbers and the MVC champ team didn’t have enough quality wins). We aren’t awful, but we are miles away from being a top tier college basketball program. San Diego Stats has been pummeled by anyone respectable. Sure, we schedule better, but when have every won a big non-conference game against anyone good? It is what it is.

We have an athletic department that is small time. We can’t print tickets and this week decides to promote Matt Lyons 2.0 (Sean Johnson) because he’s......not as bad at Matt? I don’t know. I mean we spelled Steve Fisher’s name wrong for his tribute. Not sure how anyone can get promoted with the state of ISU athletics.

I no longer get upset or care enough about ISU to throw a fit. I love ISU and will support them no matter what, but we are just treading water. My point being, I’m not sure the negative poster are wrong and the positive poster aren’t either, but everyone should be able to say what they want unless they personally attack a player. Coaches and admins get paid large salaries and know what they are getting into.

We have won some good non-conference games; we just haven't won enough of them in the same season. Top-25 Dayton is a good example of a good win. Some would argue playing South Carolina in Puerto Rico last year was a good example, if not them, a 19-12 Tulsa team twice. BYU this year should prove to be a good win.

Then there were the misses, which have hurt. San Diego State is a perfect example, as is UCF last year, of getting the opportunities we want and then not coming through with them.

I don't think we pay our admins outside the top 3-4 "large salaries." Sean just brought in a boatload of money for our school, so to say he shouldn't have gotten promoted, may be speaking without knowing all the facts. He's now an Assistant AD of Development. As a donor who has worked with him recently, he gets it. He does the right things. He doesn't drop the ball on things. If people have trouble with shuttles or video board stuff, it's not him. He is probably the best person to report things to though because you can be sure the message is delivered. However, if our baseball team is bad, we can't really blame the volleyball coach. If our facilities have plumbing issues, that's not really the Director of Marketing. Thus, let's not throw shade on a guy's promotion when the things he is responsible for - raising funds - have shot up since he has taken on a bigger role. Guys like Sean Johnson and Zach Schroeder worked hard to get into their positions, and they're throwing together some things that are making some positive progress. I also know they have pretty thick skin for some of the things lobbed at them. I just think you were way off base with your comment about Sean. Other posters, what do you think about the job Sean has done?

I can be one of the first to be critical of in-game or game-atmosphere issues. For example, advertising $1 small popcorns and then offering something even smaller than the actual small popcorn is false advertising. If I report that to Sean, I know the message will get delivered that concessions dropped the ball on how the executed that. However, I don't hold Sean responsible or penalize him for something outside of his control. The buck stops with Larry Lyons and to an extent, Leanna Bordner and Dwight Merilatt. For football scheduling, it's Peyton Deterding.

I'm not going to argue too much about this, but what is a boat load of money? I know about the $500,000 donation and the $40,000 for the lights. That is far from a boatload for a D1 athletic department to be an assistant AD. Indiana State just raised almost $300,000 in one day.

Sean is ok and has potential, but was fine where he was at within the athletic department. That is my thought. We now have him, Dwight, and Learfield all trying to bring in money and we barley keep the lights on.

I'm done arguing. We are in trouble as an athletic department and I don't think people realize it.

So you're saying you know about $540k in donations he has brought in recently, but that alludes you do not know if that is all the donations he brings in? I'd give him a call and ask him, but I don't think you'll do that.

Do you know exactly what his responsibilities are? I do wonder what you think his responsibilities are versus what they actually are. Again, I'd give him a call. I'd love to hear how the conversation goes. Even if you tell him to his face that you don't think he deserved a promotion, I think he'd still be very nice to you.

Good for Indiana State raising $300k in a day. Was it one person's work? Was it one donation? Was it many? What's the context behind the fact you presented?

I hope you could point to some facts, but it appears you're stepping back from "arguing." I agree with you; some of our programs and efforts are in trouble. I think we realize it. However, when we have things going right - ex. someone stepping into a lead fundraising role and having some 7-figure success or a VB coach who gets an at-large bid - we also need to recognize those.

 

[jwa123]

Count me among those who find Jwhatshisface tiresome. Really tiresome.

As I stated last week, too many “experts” here for me to frequent the board much. Last week and today were the first and second times I have come here in weeks. I won’t be back much in the future. I can do without all the negativity.

Like stated previously, I have come to accept ISU for what it is which is a middling mid-major and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Two years ago I moved from the heartland to NW Arkansas (one of the fastest growing areas of the country) just a few miles up the road from the University of Arkansas. I checked on getting season tickets for their basketball team and was totally astounded on how much that would cost. This is for tickets and does not count what donors might contribute.

Wanna know why ISU is a middling mid-major? They don’t have the money to be anything else.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Wanna know why ISU is a middling mid-major? They don’t have the money to be anything else.

I don't disagree. We are now back to understanding where athletic and overall university gifting comes from. It is REALLY hard to raise money if the base of your alumni are underpaid teachers. Want to know how to collect WAY MORE 5-7 digit donations for things? You just have to find the time, energy and capital for the the following:

- A Law School
- A Med School
- A College of Engineering
- A top computer science program

Until you have AT LEAST 2 of the 3 and have a decade of time to let the alumni get their professional footing, you are always going to struggle for fundraising. ISU needs to start with the College of Engineering, then develop a much deeper CS program and then dive into Law. Med school is WAY down the line, but there are your $275K a year earners who donate 20K every year.

 

[ricohill]

Since Muller made the layup against Tennessee here is how ISU has fared in Football and Men's Basketball. The only two sports that really matter.

Football:
99 - FCS Semi-Finals - this was actually an accomplishment because this was before all the powers in 1AA left to go to FBS.

06 - Beat Eastern in playoffs lost to Youngstown State for a second time that season.

12 - Beat Appy State to only go out and get waxed by Eastern Washington

14/15 - back to back titles in MVC titles that they don't win if they play NDSU in the regular season. Choke on the final drive in FCS championship game. Choke at home to Richmond.

16- Don't deserve a playoff bid. Choke to Central Arkansas.

Since then not even competitive in a watered down FCS.

Basketball:

1 MVC regular season championship. The MVC was so bad that year that no team could beat ISU or Wichita.

6 MVC Championship games and absolutely destroyed in 4 of 6.

I'm not sure what there is to be positive about?

Women's Volleyball made the NCAA tournament this year, Softball and Soccer tend to be among the best programs in the midwest and top 20% in the country. It seems like ISU ALWAYS has a track and field athlete competing for a national championship. All this and women's basketball has an arrow pointing to the moon at the moment.

You need to get out of your bubble and notice the DEPARTMENT instead of just what you can watch from your couch on ESPN+

A. I've attended almost every football home and road games for several years. Every home men's basketball and several road games. Go to Volleyball, Women's basketball, and baseball games. So I don't watch from my couch.

B. Softball won 38% of it's games last year. Women's Soccer was .500. Baseball was 22-30 and fired it's coach (2nd one Larry has hired). Women's basketball is currently 2-4 coming off a 14-16 season (this I give them some slack because of the situation), Men's basketball is struggling, football is sliding backwards. We finished 3rd in the MVC all-sports trophy without Wichita that would have won it ( Illinois State won five of six all-sports championships from 1996-01). We can't build or finish the facilities we have.

I give Volleyball credit. They won and that is great.

I look at the whole department and I see the big picture. We are not going in a positive direction.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

My take...either selectively choose whose post you read or use the conveniently provided block poster option but suggest some stop being a counter-whiner if you don't like Jsnheb1's (whatever) posts. Practice what you preach. I don't find him annoying but do find him lacking credibility, reason and even intellect at times. I read his posts dismissively as he has earned that right.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

In Jsnhbe1Birds defense, I’ve always thought some of what made the board entertaining were people like him, jigga, babybird, etc. They are the minority voice on here (even though probably speak for the majority outside this message board). I’ve been on here since the beginning and for the most part it’s been a clique of rose colored ISU fans. If you don’t like what he has to say just foe or ignore him.

As I left the arena on Saturday, I realized this, we are a middling mid-major program. We had really one at-large bid season (Janks first, you look at the numbers and the MVC champ team didn’t have enough quality wins). We aren’t awful, but we are miles away from being a top tier college basketball program. San Diego Stats has been pummeled by anyone respectable. Sure, we schedule better, but when have every won a big non-conference game against anyone good? It is what it is.

We have an athletic department that is small time. We can’t print tickets and this week decides to promote Matt Lyons 2.0 (Sean Johnson) because he’s......not as bad at Matt? I don’t know. I mean we spelled Steve Fisher’s name wrong for his tribute. Not sure how anyone can get promoted with the state of ISU athletics.

I no longer get upset or care enough about ISU to throw a fit. I love ISU and will support them no matter what, but we are just treading water. My point being, I’m not sure the negative poster are wrong and the positive poster aren’t either, but everyone should be able to say what they want unless they personally attack a player. Coaches and admins get paid large salaries and know what they are getting into.

:text-+1: