Muller cutting rotation....

[Redbird82]

Below .500. Every one of them is trash.

The second time, I think the comment says more about the person making it, then the player it is made about. Beyond the pale...

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Romine has personal problems that far outweigh basketball. Beyond that I won’t comment.

I keep hearing this.
Honestly, at some point you need to put whatever problems you have behind you and move ahead. Not knowing the story, whatever it is, he has an an opportunity right there in front of him; an opportunity most would kill for. Time to take advantage of it.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

My choice....

Yarbrough, Fayne, Evans, Madison, Bruninga, Clarence, David, Tinsley
Then Gassman and Hein

But, I think it will be Hein and not Clarence. Last nights game had Clarence on the bench and Hein playing. Both have not been good, but as stated the upside for Clarence is there. Hein is in year 3 and has hit his peak. Move on to Clarence.

It’s not like sitting Clarance at UNI worked. To me, that wouldn’t be the proper response to getting destroyed in 2 straight road games. Just more of the same if Dan keeps Clarance benched. Hoping for actual changes to either go for it this year, or to start developing the future. I think the right changes can actually accomplish both agendas.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Tinsley is trash. Beyond disappointing. Rather see gassman.

C'mon man. Can you please NOT diss our players like this? Tinsley isn't trash. He's a nice kid who wants to be here.

You want to say you think his play doesn't warrant being among the 8, say that. You want to say he can't shoot. Say that. You want to say he gets beat defensively. Say that.

Let's not attack them as people. None of these kids are trash.

Agreed. Tinsley is trying and I just wish some shots would fall to give him confidence. Him and a couple of other of our role players.

I have more confidence Tinsley will find his shot than some other guys will develop athleticism or foot speed. Also, we aren’t the greatest rebounding team, and he has been a solid contributor in that stat. And, Tinsley actually leads the team in blocks.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Vidette podcast with 8 man rotation predictions. And more.

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/redbird-report-isu-hoops-looks-to-bounce-back-after-two/article_5d8ee66c-0225-11e8-b3ae-2b77e018068b.html

 

[birdballfan]

Below .500. Every one of them is trash.

The second time, I think the comment says more about the person making it, then the player it is made about. Beyond the pale...

Quinn, It strikes me as somewhat odd that posters are threatened with a time out when they badmouth other posters. How about doing the same when they badmouth a member of the Redbird team??

 

[DWRedbird]

If I had to guess at the 8 man rotation, my guess would be:

Starters:
David
Phil
MY
Key
Madison

Bench:
Boogie
Clarence
Hein


If I were Muller, based on how the season has gone so far, I would swap TB in for Hein and get our two freshman more experience and let them grow. I think TB will be the next up when our guys get into foul trouble.

 

[SgtHulka]

Below .500. Every one of them is trash.

Thank you for proving your value as a fan board member. :roll:

Every board needs a shithole?

 

[SgtHulka]

I have more confidence Tinsley will find his shot than some other guys will develop athleticism or foot speed. Also, we aren’t the greatest rebounding team, and he has been a solid contributor in that stat. And, Tinsley actually leads the team in blocks.

:text-+1:

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

if 2130 makes the rotation then it is going to be hard not to give some credence to those posts on here regarding Muller's stubbornness and ego issues.

 

[Redbird28]

Last 5 games each of these guys have played.

EC: 6/18 - 33%, 1/6 – 17%, 4 Rebounds, 5 Assists / 6 TO, 5 PF
IG: 9/16 – 56%, 5/10 – 50%, 8 Rebounds, 2 Assists / 3 TO, 8 PF
MH: 8/24 – 33%, 5/16 – 31%, 9 Rebounds, 5 Assists / 11 TO, 12 PF
WT: 8/19 – 42%, 5/12 – 42%, 16 Rebounds, 1 Assists / 5 TO, 9 PF (5 last game)
DN: 11/22 – 50%, 0/1 – 0%, 20 Rebounds (12 vs. Bradley), 1 AST / 3 TO, 14 PF
TB: 2/12 – 17%, 1/10 – 10%, 9 Rebounds, 1 Assists / 4 TO, 13 PF
MW: 5/23 – 22%, 6/16 – 38%, 6 Rebounds, 3 Assists / 5 TO, 12 PF

I didn't bother grabbing PF, MY, KE full stats for the past 5 games they played because we all know they need to be in the 8 man rotation, but I did look at AST/TO for each of their past 5 games so here's those:

MY: 21 Assists / 20 TO / 13 PF
KE: 8 Assists / 11 TO / 14 PF
PF: 8 Assists / 12 TO / 15 PF

So, total this all up and we're looking at 55 Assists / 84 TO / 115 PF.

We need to stop turning the ball over, and we need to stop fouling so much on D. Those fouls just turn in to extra possessions, or free throws, so they compound the turnover issue.

So, since we're all speculating here are my 7.
MY
KE
PF
DN
MW
WT
IG

The 8th is a problem because not 1 of the remaining 3 separate themselves in any specific manner.

EC - not giving us much of anything at all, playing too fast, not hitting some open players in order to pass to the main 3
MH - He tries, but he's overmatched athletically and has to foul because of it, turns it over too much. I like that he hits the glass, but he's taking far too many shots.
TB - He's physically overmatched trying to guard the post and gets dinged for PF, has completely hit a wall shooting the ball.

I guess of the 3, I would tilt to TB being the 8th because we need depth in the post, and he has shown the ability to hit shots consistently earlier in the season. Perhaps he can break out of the slump and become a mismatch problem for some other teams. For now I would tell him to bang the glass and forget about firing 3s. We need more offensive rebounding other than just PF.

 

[Hamdonger]

if 2130 makes the rotation then it is going to be hard not to give some credence to those posts on here regarding Muller's stubbornness and ego issues.

Ego issues? Care to elaborate?

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Clarance has an upside... Hein does not. Hein is a little shinny river rock, while Clarance might be a big uncut diamond. Mediocrity does not build great teams. take a chance on big diamond.

Maybe, just maybe, this is as good as it gets with EC?
Maybe Muller is sitting him because he doesn’t have what it takes to play D1 hoops. Maybe he whiffed on what he thought was a potential stud. Other than EC committing a felony we don’t know about, I really see no other reason he shouldn’t be getting significant minutes sowe can at least see what we have. After all, this is a lost season.
All very weird...

 

[DWRedbird]

if 2130 makes the rotation then it is going to be hard not to give some credence to those posts on here regarding Muller's stubbornness and ego issues.

I disagree. Hein making the 8 man rotation would tell me that we need guard depth. With Madison's propensity to foul (he is second on the team in fouls, and leads the team in foul outs, including missing 2 games), and the fact that we don't want Key to be in foul trouble, you put Hein in the 8 man ration to help bring the ball up the floor on offense, and stop the Point Forward Turnover Machine experiment, and keep key from guarding the other team's best guard and getting into foul trouble. Nothing to do with stubbornness or ego, and more to do with what our players do regularly and the options we have available, in my opinion.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

if 2130 makes the rotation then it is going to be hard not to give some credence to those posts on here regarding Muller's stubbornness and ego issues.

Ego issues? Care to elaborate?

Nothing other than what I mentioned...
A couple of posters in the past have posted innuendos (I believe)
that they felt Muller was stubborn or had a strong ego. I was just being a smart *ss with the comment as it is hard to understand why ISU has a player out on the court that it is so overmatched. Player 2130 absolutely fails the eye test and the eye test results are overwhelmingly validated by statistics. Others may think differently but I will not understand that perspective.

 

[Tpguy]

Below .500. Every one of them is trash.

The second time, I think the comment says more about the person making it, then the player it is made about. Beyond the pale...

Quinn, It strikes me as somewhat odd that posters are threatened with a time out when they badmouth other posters. How about doing the same when they badmouth a member of the Redbird team??

Quinn runs a good board but chooses to look away when personal attacks on players and board members happen. It's a shame, a week off might get thru to these children.

 

[HT59]

Tinsley is trash. Beyond disappointing. Rather see gassman.

:text-+1:
C'mon man. Can you please NOT diss our players like this? Tinsley isn't trash. He's a nice kid who wants to be here.

You want to say you think his play doesn't warrant being among the 8, say that. You want to say he can't shoot. Say that. You want to say he gets beat defensively. Say that.

Let's not attack them as people. None of these kids are trash.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

if 2130 makes the rotation then it is going to be hard not to give some credence to those posts on here regarding Muller's stubbornness and ego issues.

I disagree. Hein making the 8 man rotation would tell me that we need guard depth. With Madison's propensity to foul (he is second on the team in fouls, and leads the team in foul outs, including missing 2 games), and the fact that we don't want Key to be in foul trouble, you put Hein in the 8 man ration to help bring the ball up the floor on offense, and stop the Point Forward Turnover Machine experiment, and keep key from guarding the other team's best guard and getting into foul trouble. Nothing to do with stubbornness or ego, and more to do with what our players do regularly and the options we have available, in my opinion.

All that makes sense but what remains is the fact that the ball is in the hands of a player that struggles to dribble east/west, basically is not capable of beating a defender to go north/south and get to the rim, is a poor 3pt/2pt/1pt shooter, is a weak passer with own turnover and foul issues, can not defend nor rebound well. 2130 does hustle (excellent) and is a good teammate in many other ways but is physically overmatched which is highlighted by slow feet/reaction. Please give me your perspective if you feel anything I stated is inaccurate.

 

[Hamdonger]

Love Hein's attitude and hustle and always have. I'm not opposed to him getting spot minutes as at times we'll need another ball handler. He's hit some shots and certainly made contributions...and again...not opposed to him getting minutes here and there throughout the game.

Not 25 minutes, though. I'm ready to get him out of the rotation.

Here's the dealio, though. Clarence hasn't showed us ANYTHING yet. So it's like, what the hek do we do?? ray: ray:

 

[DWRedbird]

if 2130 makes the rotation then it is going to be hard not to give some credence to those posts on here regarding Muller's stubbornness and ego issues.

I disagree. Hein making the 8 man rotation would tell me that we need guard depth. With Madison's propensity to foul (he is second on the team in fouls, and leads the team in foul outs, including missing 2 games), and the fact that we don't want Key to be in foul trouble, you put Hein in the 8 man ration to help bring the ball up the floor on offense, and stop the Point Forward Turnover Machine experiment, and keep key from guarding the other team's best guard and getting into foul trouble. Nothing to do with stubbornness or ego, and more to do with what our players do regularly and the options we have available, in my opinion.

All that makes sense but what remains is the fact that the ball is in the hands of a player that struggles to dribble east/west, basically is not capable of beating a defender to go north/south and get to the rim, is a poor 3pt/2pt/1pt shooter, is a weak passer with own turnover and foul issues, can not defend nor rebound well. 2130 does hustle (excellent) and is a good teammate in many other ways but is physically overmatched which is highlighted by slow feet/reaction. Please give me your perspective if you feel anything I stated is inaccurate.

I think quite a few people latch on to his struggles from last year when it comes to saying things like "he struggles to dribble east/west and can't beat a defender". This year, I've watched him dribble up under pressure, and look the least fluster of our guards when coming down on a press. I've also watched him shake defenders on several occasions, some of them led to points (There was one against MSU where he crossed a defender up, the defender left him, and Hein hit a step back 3). As much as some would make him out to be, he isn't the keystone cops of basketball.

Does he have foul issues...yes, he is not quick so quicker guards beat him on their first step. That said, so do our other guards. None of our guards can guard anyone, its not just an MH issue, its a full blow epidemic on our team. I'm also not saying he is who I would put in, but in my opinion having him isn't an ego thing. Its a need to have another guard because our guards foul a lot sort of thing.