King David gone

[bombay]

Broken bones ARE "injuries", Sarg.

 

[JHBird]

Let's just be honest guys...he really wasn't that good. I'm happy to see him go and use our scholarships wisely...like on Chastain or a juco transfer. With that said I wonder if Romine will play next year because if he doesn't we are in some trouble with relying on freshmen.

Let's be honest guys. He spent 3 years here and missed half of each season injured. Nobody overcomes that. If his feet weren't prone to metatarsal stress fracures he likely would have paid off in a big way.

Could he have paid off, yes. Was it likely? That’s a big question. The results were not there for the investment. Considering the amount of time he sat out, I am surprised he couldn’t bulk up any. If he was able to grow stronger, it could have helped him on both ends of the ball. That would have increased the likelihood of success.

Him bulking up would of caused even more foot problems imo. His feet couldn't take the pounding with his current weight. I feel bad for him. Seemed like a really good person, that worked hard but had some unavoidable set backs. You definitely could see the potential at times.

 

[Adunk33]

It would be interesting to see if our men's team would cut any scholarships, as our women's team just cut 5.

I put this in the thread about the 5 players being cut, but I believe the men's team has done something like this with "cutting" players before, Muller just didn't call it that. I always appreciate when a spade is called a spade, Muller often tries to save face for himself and his players. Coach G on the women's side blatantly said she cut those players.

I assume Kaza Keane, Will Ransom, Mike Middlebrooks, Jamaal Samuel, Zach Lofton, Mark Hall, Johnny Hill, Bryant Allen, DJ Clayton, and Nick Banyard were all "cut" for one reason or another. I'm sure there's more we are forgetting. Muller just never used the word. He would either cite violation of team rules for the decision or not mention it at all and say something like, "(Player) is transferring to be closer to home, seek more PT, or find a better fit. We wish him the best of luck in the future."

 

[redneckredbird]

It would be interesting to see if our men's team would cut any scholarships, as our women's team just cut 5.

I put this in the thread about the 5 players being cut, but I believe the men's team has done something like this with "cutting" players before, Muller just didn't call it that. I always appreciate when a spade is called a spade, Muller often tries to save face for himself and his players. Coach G on the women's side blatantly said she cut those players.

I assume Kaza Keane, Will Ransom, Mike Middlebrooks, Jamaal Samuel, Zach Lofton, Mark Hall, Johnny Hill, Bryant Allen, DJ Clayton, and Nick Banyard were all "cut" for one reason or another. I'm sure there's more we are forgetting. Muller just never used the word. He would either cite violation of team rules for the decision or not mention it at all and say something like, "(Player) is transferring to be closer to home, seek more PT, or find a better fit. We wish him the best of luck in the future."

Not sure about the others but fairly sure Hill left on his own.

 

[BirdsEyeView]

I posted this in another thread recently (I don't post much here), we have to keep the players of value and reduce player turnover if we want to make the NCAAs. Losing 4-5 players each season is hard to build culture within a program, especially losing the better players. It leads to loses early in the season against teams we would otherwise defeat late in the season (see Murray State in 2016-2017). It's no coincidence we make Arch finals nearly every year. Our team comes together late in the season after a tumultuous non-conference year in and year out due to turnover.

With that said, player turnover is weighted on scale of value. For every Will Ransom, Jamaal Samuel, or Mark Hall who we (and Muller) are fine with leaving the program, we also lose our more valued players at an alarming rate. We can't afford to lose players like McIntosh, Hawkins, Moore, Ekey, Zeisloft, Johnny Hill, etc.

In this particular instance, N'Diaye for me fits into the Will Ransom group. So, I am okay losing this player as long as his WAR (wins above replacement) is worse than whoever takes his minutes. I would think Muller believes either Romine, Idowu, Dixon, or Juco Player X will be a better replacement. The excitement here is that we have lost none of our top 4 players (Yarbrough, Fayne, Evans and Tinsley) and are gaining more valuable players like Copeland who will most assuredly have a better impact than a Hein or MW for whom he can steal minutes from. The same can now be said for his belief that N'Diaye's replacement will be an upgrade over the minutes he was receiving.

 

[TIMMY]

I've been meaning to ask for 3 years. Where does the King stuff come from?

You haven’t been asking anything. You have been making excuses for the handcuff buddies. It’s time to move on from Hein and use scholarships wisely.

Not really sure what this has to do with the "King" nickname but great post!!!

 

[SgtHulka]

I've been meaning to ask for 3 years. Where does the King stuff come from?

You haven’t been asking anything. You have been making excuses for the handcuff buddies. It’s time to move on from Hein and use scholarships wisely.

Not really sure what this has to do with the "King" nickname but great post!!!

You got Crowned buddy!

 

[HT59]

I posted this in another thread recently (I don't post much here), we have to keep the players of value and reduce player turnover if we want to make the NCAAs. Losing 4-5 players each season is hard to build culture within a program, especially losing the better players. It leads to loses early in the season against teams we would otherwise defeat late in the season (see Murray State in 2016-2017). It's no coincidence we make Arch finals nearly every year. Our team comes together late in the season after a tumultuous non-conference year in and year out due to turnover.

With that said, player turnover is weighted on scale of value. For every Will Ransom, Jamaal Samuel, or Mark Hall who we (and Muller) are fine with leaving the program, we also lose our more valued players at an alarming rate. We can't afford to lose players like McIntosh, Hawkins, Moore, Ekey, Zeisloft, Johnny Hill, etc.

In this particular instance, N'Diaye for me fits into the Will Ransom group. So, I am okay losing this player as long as his WAR (wins above replacement) is worse than whoever takes his minutes. I would think Muller believes either Romine, Idowu, Dixon, or Juco Player X will be a better replacement. The excitement here is that we have lost none of our top 4 players (Yarbrough, Fayne, Evans and Tinsley) and are gaining more valuable players like Copeland who will most assuredly have a better impact than a Hein or MW for whom he can steal minutes from. The same can now be said for his belief that N'Diaye's replacement will be an upgrade over the minutes he was receiving.

:text-+1:

 

[Hamdonger]

Romine, heading into the '17-'18 season, could play. He was set to be a starter. HE CAN PLAY.

But...I have no idea where his physical and/or mental capabilities stand today, given the previous 9 months. If he's the same player he was a year ago, he'll be a big contributor.

 

[birdlife]

curious about the wording in Jim's tweet. "Illinois State has granted a release..." does that mean David asked for the release? or is it an optics thing where this looks better than "Illinois State will not renew the scholarship" or something along those lines.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

curious about the wording in Jim's tweet. "Illinois State has granted a release..." does that mean David asked for the release? or is it an optics thing where this looks better than "Illinois State will not renew the scholarship" or something along those lines.

My bet is he was told during the end of season interviews with the coaches he would see very limited playing time with Romine and Idowu playing. David probably decided he would rather play his final season to get some stats so he can continue as an overseas player.

 

[sportenwood]

Am I the only one who finds it highly unlikely Romine would get a medical redshirt? Bryson didn't get one. In general, they only grant 6th years if 2 of the years were lost to injury (see Evan Eschmeyer). Romine will have only lost one year to injury (if we really think he was even injured). His other year was a transfer year. NCAA doesn't typically credit for that.

Additionally, I assume Romine was "running with the first team" because NDiaye was injured. Anyway, never seem him play so don't know but put me in the camp that's skeptical he'll contribute. No meaningful success in high school and couldn't even see the floor for a weak team in UTEP.

 

[sportenwood]

Also put me in the camp of super disappointed in DN's results this year. I think we were something silly like 19 - 2 after DN came back last year so I was looking for a lot of the same.

 

[Redbird Alum 2004]

Am I the only one who finds it highly unlikely Romine would get a medical redshirt? Bryson didn't get one. In general, they only grant 6th years if 2 of the years were lost to injury (see Evan Eschmeyer). Romine will have only lost one year to injury (if we really think he was even injured). His other year was a transfer year. NCAA doesn't typically credit for that.

Additionally, I assume Romine was "running with the first team" because NDiaye was injured. Anyway, never seem him play so don't know but put me in the camp that's skeptical he'll contribute. No meaningful success in high school and couldn't even see the floor for a weak team in UTEP.

Two things. Yes there was a medical issue. No David was not hurt at the time.

 

[cpacmel]

Romine, heading into the '17-'18 season, could play. He was set to be a starter. HE CAN PLAY.

Set to be a starter by whom? You?

 

[Redbird222]

The Romine discussion is always puzzling to me. Based on his play prior to ISU, I don't think most would have high expectations. Then he leaves the team for an extended period of time with very little information and most of us are left to speculate why. When he returns, we are told everyone is ready to play yet he doesn't see one minute of play even when a large body is pushing us all over the lane. I watched him during warm-ups and generally he looked like a player that was disengaged. The year ends and still no words of clarification like we are seeking a medical redshirt which would explain why he didn't play. I know I have limited knowledge and points of reference, but at this point I dont know why we would have any lofty expectations for him except for the reinforcement from a few posters that have some very strong convictions. I hope they're right but I'll take a wait and see on this one.

 

[Redbird Alum 2004]

Romine, heading into the '17-'18 season, could play. He was set to be a starter. HE CAN PLAY.

Set to be a starter by whom? You?

Muller.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Am I the only one who finds it highly unlikely Romine would get a medical redshirt? Bryson didn't get one. In general, they only grant 6th years if 2 of the years were lost to injury (see Evan Eschmeyer). Romine will have only lost one year to injury (if we really think he was even injured). His other year was a transfer year. NCAA doesn't typically credit for that.

Additionally, I assume Romine was "running with the first team" because NDiaye was injured. Anyway, never seem him play so don't know but put me in the camp that's skeptical he'll contribute. No meaningful success in high school and couldn't even see the floor for a weak team in UTEP.

You can also get one if 1 year is a medical redshirt and the other is due to being out because of transfer status. Which Romine falls under. Bryson was robbed. Everyone knows it. A lot more people get pushed through nowadays.

 

[Redbird Alum 2004]

The Romine discussion is always puzzling to me. Based on his play prior to ISU, I don't think most would have high expectations. Then he leaves the team for an extended period of time with very little information and most of us are left to speculate why. When he returns, we are told everyone is ready to play yet he doesn't see one minute of play even when a large body is pushing us all over the lane. I watched him during warm-ups and generally he looked like a player that was disengaged. The year ends and still no words of clarification like we are seeking a medical redshirt which would explain why he didn't play. I know I have limited knowledge and points of reference, but at this point I dont know why we would have any lofty expectations for him except for the reinforcement from a few posters that have some very strong convictions. I hope they're right but I'll take a wait and see on this one.

I never saw him play before. Just taking the word of people who know. I tend to believe their judgement on talent. What baffles me is people seem to go out of their way to disparage this kid when they don't know what happened. Reading the posts there are few others who seem to know. It is a private matter. You can either believe in him or take the wait and see but why on Earth are people saying he can't play and should leave the team? Again, could he have played at the end of the year? Yes. Would it be fair to him to burn another year like UTEP did to him? No. Do a few games in a rebuilding year mean more than three more years?

 

[TIMMY]

Hardship Waivers
NCAA Bylaw 14.2.5
Conference office or NCAA staff (independent
institutions only) may grant an additional season of
participation.
If a SA suffers an incapacitating injury or illness, but
has not triggered the use of a season of participation,
it is not necessary to file a hardship waiver.