King David gone

[TIMMY]

How about Rich Beyers? Transfer big who can step out and hit the 3. I think this thread went wide left a while ago.


Best of luck to King David.

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Beyers ??? Are you serious dude??

No, I'm not serious. I am being sarcastic to the rest of the guys who try to pretend we know what Romine is or isn't bc we don't.

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[Trey_Guidry4three]

How about Rich Beyers? Transfer big who can step out and hit the 3. I think this thread went wide left a while ago.


Best of luck to King David.

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Beyers ??? Are you serious dude??

No, I'm not serious. I am being sarcastic to the rest of the guys who try to pretend we know what Romine is or isn't bc we don't.

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You are 100% correct on that one my man

 

[isuquinndog]

Let's try and do a better job about keeping things on topic. If you want to post about David leaving, go for it. Pissing contests about what is fact and isn't can be done through PM.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Let's try and do a better job about keeping things on topic. If you want to post about David leaving, go for it. Pissing contests about what is fact and isn't can be done through PM.

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[Joe_Y]

High hopes for David, was hoping he'd put on some weight when he got here. Still wish he was on the roster, but I wish him well wherever he ends up. #RB4L

 

[Birdfriend72]

How about Rich Beyers? Transfer big who can step out and hit the 3. I think this thread went wide left a while ago.


Best of luck to King David.

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Beyers ??? Are you serious dude??

Bwahaha! Did Beyers even score a point in his career? I had high hopes for him...along with Sean Odzic. We remember how that turned out.

 

[Birdfriend72]

How about Rich Beyers? Transfer big who can step out and hit the 3. I think this thread went wide left a while ago.


Best of luck to King David.

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Beyers ??? Are you serious dude??

Bwahaha! Did Beyers even score a point in his career? I had high hopes for him...along with Sean Odzic. We remember how that turned out.

 

[DBird]

Let's try and do a better job about keeping things on topic. If you want to post about David leaving, go for it. Pissing contests about what is fact and isn't can be done through PM.

I case anyone missed this!!

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Let's try and do a better job about keeping things on topic. If you want to post about David leaving, go for it. Pissing contests about what is fact and isn't can be done through PM.

I case anyone missed this!!

So what if this morphs into a different direction. Isn't this site all about chatting about Redbird basketball?
To me, what makes it interesting is the differences in opinions, what some see as facts and what some see as a conspiracy theory. I'll be honest, I have had my opinion swayed by the give and take of such exchanges.

Perhaps the only issue is the potential OCD-factor for those that want everything compartmentalized.

 

[The Beak]

I'm on record as saying the David/Hein 2-fer was worth a shot. It's a gamble, you're gonna miss sometimes. Who knows what David would have brought even this year had he been healthy last year and this? Not to mention next year.

By the same token, Yarbrough was worth a gamble, but if you talked to SLU fans 2 years ago, they would have said "good luck fellas." They knew his potential, and his immaturity. A number of fans on their message board admitted that if Muller could "get to him," he would be a helluva get. But they were far from confident that would happen, and suggested he could easily be a Redbird cancer.

So bully for Muller for gambling in both cases. And bully for coaching Yarbrough into the player SLU would have dearly loved to have, but couldn't get through to him.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

I'm on record as saying the David/Hein 2-fer was worth a shot. It's a gamble, you're gonna miss sometimes. Who knows what David would have brought even this year had he been healthy last year and this? Not to mention next year.

By the same token, Yarbrough was worth a gamble, but if you talked to SLU fans 2 years ago, they would have said "good luck fellas." They knew his potential, and his immaturity. A number of fans on their message board admitted that if Muller could "get to him," he would be a helluva get. But they were far from confident that would happen, and suggested he could easily be a Redbird cancer.

So bully for Muller for gambling in both cases. And bully for coaching Yarbrough into the player SLU would have dearly loved to have, but couldn't get through to him.

Isn't the difference MY had proven D1 success on the court, with a 1 scholarship investment, versus an unproven Ndiaye where we will have invested (likely) 8 scholarship years for 3 years of Ndiaye and 4 years of Hein on the court. Think about that investment versus the results. I would say that is a very big investment for a very big risk that has led to a negative ROI.

If MY didn't work out and stays for the rest, we'd have one scholarship tied up. With Ndiaye leaving, we are still, at this point, giving two years to Hein.

 

[Joe_Y]

I'm on record as saying the David/Hein 2-fer was worth a shot. It's a gamble, you're gonna miss sometimes. Who knows what David would have brought even this year had he been healthy last year and this? Not to mention next year.

By the same token, Yarbrough was worth a gamble, but if you talked to SLU fans 2 years ago, they would have said "good luck fellas." They knew his potential, and his immaturity. A number of fans on their message board admitted that if Muller could "get to him," he would be a helluva get. But they were far from confident that would happen, and suggested he could easily be a Redbird cancer.

So bully for Muller for gambling in both cases. And bully for coaching Yarbrough into the player SLU would have dearly loved to have, but couldn't get through to him.

Isn't the difference MY had proven D1 success on the court, with a 1 scholarship investment, versus an unproven Ndiaye where we will have invested (likely) 8 scholarship years for 3 years of Ndiaye and 4 years of Hein on the court. Think about that investment versus the results. I would say that is a very big investment for a very big risk that has led to a negative ROI.

If MY didn't work out and stays for the rest, we'd have one scholarship tied up. With Ndiaye leaving, we are still, at this point, giving two years to Hein.

So ****ing fed up with this, Hein showed up and played his ass off and yall still bash him. He's on the team, get over it, if you can't support your own teams' players don't wonder why other recruits won't take a chance to come here.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

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I'm on record as saying the David/Hein 2-fer was worth a shot. It's a gamble, you're gonna miss sometimes. Who knows what David would have brought even this year had he been healthy last year and this? Not to mention next year.

By the same token, Yarbrough was worth a gamble, but if you talked to SLU fans 2 years ago, they would have said "good luck fellas." They knew his potential, and his immaturity. A number of fans on their message board admitted that if Muller could "get to him," he would be a helluva get. But they were far from confident that would happen, and suggested he could easily be a Redbird cancer.

So bully for Muller for gambling in both cases. And bully for coaching Yarbrough into the player SLU would have dearly loved to have, but couldn't get through to him.

Isn't the difference MY had proven D1 success on the court, with a 1 scholarship investment, versus an unproven Ndiaye where we will have invested (likely) 8 scholarship years for 3 years of Ndiaye and 4 years of Hein on the court. Think about that investment versus the results. I would say that is a very big investment for a very big risk that has led to a negative ROI.

If MY didn't work out and stays for the rest, we'd have one scholarship tied up. With Ndiaye leaving, we are still, at this point, giving two years to Hein.

So ****ing fed up with this, Hein showed up and played his ass off and yall still bash him. He's on the team, get over it, if you can't support your own teams' players don't wonder why other recruits won't take a chance to come here.

 

[bb fan]

Nailed it, Joe Y. Thanks.

 

[The Beak]

I'm on record as saying the David/Hein 2-fer was worth a shot. It's a gamble, you're gonna miss sometimes. Who knows what David would have brought even this year had he been healthy last year and this? Not to mention next year.

By the same token, Yarbrough was worth a gamble, but if you talked to SLU fans 2 years ago, they would have said "good luck fellas." They knew his potential, and his immaturity. A number of fans on their message board admitted that if Muller could "get to him," he would be a helluva get. But they were far from confident that would happen, and suggested he could easily be a Redbird cancer.

So bully for Muller for gambling in both cases. And bully for coaching Yarbrough into the player SLU would have dearly loved to have, but couldn't get through to him.

Isn't the difference MY had proven D1 success on the court, with a 1 scholarship investment, versus an unproven Ndiaye where we will have invested (likely) 8 scholarship years for 3 years of Ndiaye and 4 years of Hein on the court. Think about that investment versus the results. I would say that is a very big investment for a very big risk that has led to a negative ROI.

If MY didn't work out and stays for the rest, we'd have one scholarship tied up. With Ndiaye leaving, we are still, at this point, giving two years to Hein.

Every gamble is different.

MY's talent was obvious, but according to SLU people, he could have become a cancer. And even after a (red shirt) year in the system, he still had issues at the beginning of this year and he could have turned sour, which could easily have soured the rest of the team/year. It was a gamble on Muller's part that he could turn MY around. It almost didn't happen.

There have been a number of "fans" who have busted Muller's chops for gambling on David (which included Hein). Who knows where David would be now without the injuries? He was mostly a + by the end of last season, and by all accounts had worked hard on his game in the off-season. The David part of that gamble that didn't work. And you don't know how Hein will look next year. If he takes as big a leap as he did from last year to this, he could be a solid bench player.

 

[Bird Friend]

So everything you have ever posted on this message board is fact? Lmao some of the people on here just aren't in touch with reality with respects to isu basketball. Don't tell me your opinion...only facts when it comes to someone who was worse than Andy Strandmark... oh wait that's an opinion? Or is it? I'll leave it up to the "fact only guy"

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it? I believe you are the one touting what you've said are facts and reality. And what in the hell does Andy Strandmark have to do with this discussion? I think that's a step further into what I perceive to be a sketchy view of reality.

You just respond with insults, not "facts".

I didn't call them facts.

 

[Bird Friend]

So ****ing fed up with this, Hein showed up and played his ass off and yall still bash him. He's on the team, get over it, if you can't support your own teams' players don't wonder why other recruits won't take a chance to come here.

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[DWRedbird]

So ****ing fed up with this, Hein showed up and played his ass off and yall still bash him. He's on the team, get over it, if you can't support your own teams' players don't wonder why other recruits won't take a chance to come here.

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[Reggie Redbird]

I'm on record as saying the David/Hein 2-fer was worth a shot. It's a gamble, you're gonna miss sometimes. Who knows what David would have brought even this year had he been healthy last year and this? Not to mention next year.

By the same token, Yarbrough was worth a gamble, but if you talked to SLU fans 2 years ago, they would have said "good luck fellas." They knew his potential, and his immaturity. A number of fans on their message board admitted that if Muller could "get to him," he would be a helluva get. But they were far from confident that would happen, and suggested he could easily be a Redbird cancer.

So bully for Muller for gambling in both cases. And bully for coaching Yarbrough into the player SLU would have dearly loved to have, but couldn't get through to him.

Isn't the difference MY had proven D1 success on the court, with a 1 scholarship investment, versus an unproven Ndiaye where we will have invested (likely) 8 scholarship years for 3 years of Ndiaye and 4 years of Hein on the court. Think about that investment versus the results. I would say that is a very big investment for a very big risk that has led to a negative ROI.

If MY didn't work out and stays for the rest, we'd have one scholarship tied up. With Ndiaye leaving, we are still, at this point, giving two years to Hein.

So ****ing fed up with this, Hein showed up and played his ass off and yall still bash him. He's on the team, get over it, if you can't support your own teams' players don't wonder why other recruits won't take a chance to come here.

I expect someone receiving a free education to show up. I expect someone receiving a free education to play hard. That’s each and every player. I’m glad someone receiving a free education also tries hard.

I am going to assess the product I see on the court, using statistics, using results, using judgment. Some gamblers pay off; some don’t. If you can’t handle someone saying the results have not been worth the investment, you have issues. We have invested in coaches, players, administrators who have not paid off. It happens. To say, “Oh you shouldn’t talk about return on investment” is just silly.

If you know the recruitment of Ndiaye, then you know the gamble made. Now that Ndiaye left, how do we assess his results?

I also ask, do you think coaches should assess players? If you are talking about players being worried about what I think as a fan/booster in assessing return on investment, they’d be quitting after Muller and Co. assess their first practices. I guarantee you their feedback is much more critical.

Also, where have I wondered about other recruits coming here? I hope they do. I also hope they know the expectations placed on them if we’re signing friends of theirs to get the deal done. If you tell the company hiring you that you require them to hire a second person, they’re going to put a heck of a lot more expectations. They want a return on the investment.

Sure, Ndiaye had potential and he still does. We just didn’t see the results here and our coaching staff may have expressed to him that he won’t be playing much next year. We don’t know, yet, what the reasons for him leaving are. I wish him the best in the future, but I’m not going to pretend the gamble has paid off. It still could; there is always a chance.

If the evaluation I saw in response to my post was, “If he remarkably improves again (in his 4th year on the team), he could be a solid bench player.” that tells me what a lot of our fans think.

 

[rdt99]

I wonder if Matt Hein and David have considered transfering to Wesleyan?