Big Rey

[redblood]

Too bad. Good size. But could never use it. Probably best for both sides.

Our transfers almost always improve wherever they land. It’s a shame, another year and another roster rebuild. Good luck Rey, appreciate you.

 

[Trey_Guidry4three]

Can some one fill me in on the mysterious big man Dan is recruiting? Is his name Olajuwon or worthy? I don’t see how this late in the recruiting cycle you’re going to find much especially at the 5 which is probably the shallowest of the talent pools.

It’s clear to me next season is going to be another edition of chuck and duck. Maybe we will win 10 games?

Some of Dan’s best recruiting has been done in Spring.

Reeves was a nice get last year late in the game, because he did not get his big ten offer he held out for. Who else? All the high school talent is signed sealed and delivered at this point for the most part.

There is a high probability he takes a flyer on a guy who only has 1 or 2 decent high school years and will not play senior year to COVID 19.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Devaughn Akoon Purcell, Tinsley, Copeland as Jucos. Yarbrough was a spring transfer decision.

 

[Loyl2u]

I honestly don’t know why any 4/5 would watch this past season’s games and say - “that’s the place I want to play”. If you are a stretch 4 who wants to be a 3, it would be the place for me

 

[redblood]

What did you people expect? We were 1 scholarship over the limit so at least one had to leave. The writing was on the wall when he lost PT. You absolutely cannot cry about how bad the team was then get mad a role player leaves. Dan has 1 year to turn it around.

What do you think is going to happen? Guys DO get better after their sophomore years all over the country. Just not at ISU. I’m sure we will be much better off starting over again with the guy who scored 5 points a game in JUCO ball. Tired of it, addition by subtraction nonsense

 

[Redbird222]

So what real center has got the minutes Rey got and produced more? Reggie? he avg. 20 min and avg 8 pts/5 rb and Rey played almost every minute this year w/4 guards on the floor to help defend/rebound. What would his stats have been if you actually ran an offense which put him on the block?

His later conduct withstanding, I loved Reggie and always wanted him to get more minutes, but I think people have selective memory, there were plenty of head shaking moments, especially Reggie’s freshman year, but he was a freshman and he got better the more he played.

Totally disagree on the “Rey didn’t play well with Fisher”. When Fisher was playing against a 4, he was most successful -had the ability to create, didn’t have to guard the 5 freeing him from fouls that reduced his minutes and he got more rebounds. When he was the sole 4/5 on court, he set the high screen. Of course playing a 5 with Fisher would have meant that one of the guards that couldn’t play out front or guard played less. Now I didn’t say the team would score more points when Fisher/Rey were both on the floor, I said better competing against the other team. Better defensively, better on boards. When the centers were off the court, who was defending the best 4 for the opponent, the Birds got killed so bad by that position, they had to go to zone and that worked as a surprise, but not after people prepared for it.

Reggie produced way more than Rey ... not even comparable. Reggie played his whole Freshman year with nobody over 6'4 after Middlebrooks was kicked off the team. Reggie held his own and you could see the potential. Rey played plenty of minutes with Keith or Abou.

Reggie averaged 9.5 points , 5.4 rebounds and 2.8 blocks per game his sophomore year. Rey's numbers pale in comparison. Additionally Rey was a liability defensivley where Reggie held his own and even excelled when he avoided fouls.

On the court, Rey wasn't even close to Reggie. Rey off the court was thee times the man Reggie was.

I dont think we have always had poor post playes under Dan. I agree that Phil Fayne isn't a true center but he was a post player. Hawkins could play the post defensively and offensively (yes he shot the three but he also had some post moves). Even Malik and MM were capable of posting their players. Last year our interior was a train wreck but showed some life when Keith played better the last 1/3 of the year. I agree with you that Keith is better when paired with another post player. I felt the same about Phil Fayne. I just dont think Rey is the answer.

I also believe part of the issue when Keith was the only post player was Hillsman was often asked to play that 4. While Hillsman at times was decent offensively (inconsistent), his defense was marginal at best and erratic. I think part of the reason Keith would get in foul trouble at times was because Ray and Hillsman put Keith in bad situations.

We have two open positions and I hope we get another interior player. I think Sissoko is more of a swing but I may be wrong.

 

[Birdfriend72]

This begs the question...with his real and/or perceived deficiencies, why was he recruited in the first place? We’ve had too many project “bigs” over the years that don’t pan out ———- Strandmark, Carlwell, and now Rey.

What about Rey made him a project? He wasn't skinny. He didn't have an immense lack of coordination or court sense.

When I read project, I think of a kid who will take a year or two before they even see the floor.

Rey scored 228 points over the course of his first two seasons on campus.

For size and skill set coming in, I'd compare him to Dinma. He scored 24 points in his first 2 seasons, one of which was a redshirt year.

Agree. Maybe Rey should have redshirt. Also, it seems like development is missing. I wish Rey the best of luck.

 

[Redbirdfan06]

Eventually, maybe we can become the school in the valley that doesn’t have to develop any 4 year players and can just fill a roster with the remains of the jucos. We do have the coach that has thrived with roster churn. All these tournament appearances speak volumes.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

What did you people expect? We were 1 scholarship over the limit so at least one had to leave. The writing was on the wall when he lost PT. You absolutely cannot cry about how bad the team was then get mad a role player leaves. Dan has 1 year to turn it around.

What do you think is going to happen? Guys DO get better after their sophomore years all over the country. Just not at ISU. I’m sure we will be much better off starting over again with the guy who scored 5 points a game in JUCO ball. Tired of it, addition by subtraction nonsense

You can’t look at the Russian as a replacement for Rey. His replacement likely isn’t committed or on the roster. Rey did not fit the mold of Muller bigs. The best have been Fayne, Hawkins, etc. Hawkins stretched the floor and could still handle his own down low. Fayne didn’t stretch the floor nearly as much, but was athletic enough to get the job done and played much better defense. Rey didn’t fit either mold.

 

[ricohill]

So who do we replace these guys with??

 

[Redbirdfan06]

What did you people expect? We were 1 scholarship over the limit so at least one had to leave. The writing was on the wall when he lost PT. You absolutely cannot cry about how bad the team was then get mad a role player leaves. Dan has 1 year to turn it around.

What do you think is going to happen? Guys DO get better after their sophomore years all over the country. Just not at ISU. I’m sure we will be much better off starting over again with the guy who scored 5 points a game in JUCO ball. Tired of it, addition by subtraction nonsense

You can’t look at the Russian as a replacement for Rey. His replacement likely isn’t committed or on the roster. Rey did not fit the mold of Muller bigs. The best have been Fayne, Hawkins, etc. Hawkins stretched the floor and could still handle his own down low. Fayne didn’t stretch the floor nearly as much, but was athletic enough to get the job done and played much better defense. Rey didn’t fit either mold.

If Muller is going with a range of bigs from Hawkins to Fayne, then he has no mold. If Rey was averaging 10 and 7 a game, muller would have been fine. Quit trying to act like you understand the Muller mold of a big man because you don’t.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

So who do we replace these guys with??

Jucos or transfers likely. There is already more names in the transfer portal than last year by a long shot.

 

[ricohill]

So who do we replace these guys with??

Jucos or transfers likely. There is already more names in the transfer portal than last year by a long shot.

Does he get a big?? I wonder what he’s looking for?

 

[BirdGrad2011]

So who do we replace these guys with??

Jucos or transfers likely. There is already more names in the transfer portal than last year by a long shot.

Does he get a big?? I wonder what he’s looking for?

I’d assume so. Fisher and Ndiaye likely aren’t enough. I don’t think any of the freshman fit that bill right off the bat though some solid size coming in. More long athletes the interior though.

 

[ricohill]

If we don’t get a 5 man do we ever score inside the 3pt line?

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Recruiting is only going to get more difficult for muller. Now he has to tell kids to come play at a school where Thursday in STL is the new normal. Going to be tough to convince real talent to sign up for that.

 

[Bird Friend]

Nice to see everyone getting along so well in this thread . . . :roll:

 

[redbird Recon]

Too bad. Good size. But could never use it. Probably best for both sides.

Our transfers almost always improve wherever they land. It’s a shame, another year and another roster rebuild. Good luck Rey, appreciate you.

They do? Like off from the trajectory they showed here?

 

[redbird Recon]

I know we've got a visit planned with a player who has P5 offers.

What spring recruiting will actually look like is a whole different story.

 

[ricohill]

I think I’ve accepted the reality that we are going to be worse next year than this year. That is just sad.