Big Rey

[Redbird Alum 2004]

I liked Rey as a player but he was limited offensively and defensively. So much so a freshman took his starting spot. It isn't a secret we are recruiting another big. Where was his playing time going to come from? I like his potential and thought he would breakout this past year. He just lacked that physical mindset. He didn't own the post. Fisher, who is smaller, owned the post better. Both players were in their second season playing.

 

[ILLST25]

Devastating loss.


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Nothing devastating about losing a guy with these stats. Step away from the ledge.

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Okay, I know comparisons like this are BS, I'm not suggesting Rey could be like this kid, but I'm gonna make it anyway, because not all kids come ready to contribute on Day 1 or Day 750. But eventually, with the right coaching and opportunity and so forth, they can contribute. So, here's the first two years' stats for a particular player. Illinois HS kid who played in the Big 10, graduated 5 years ago:

freshman year: 7 minutes per game/ 41% FG PCT/ 50% FT PCT/1.4 REB per game/13 blocks/1.8 points per game
soph. year: 10 minutes per game/ 44% FG PCT/ 77% FT PCT/ 1.8 REB per game/17 blocks/ 4.2 points per game.

Compare those stats with Rey's. You'll see on some metrics Rey is actually slightly better than . . . . .





2015 National Player of the Year Frank Kaminsky.

Rey and Kaminsky are not even close to the same type of player when it comes down to what they do on the court and their size. If anything, Kotov is a better comparison to Kaminsky.

 

[DaveBird10]

Lol I laugh at ppl on here. You know who they are as they say "we are bad", or "fire Muller" and so forth then they come on here o "here we go, transfer U" or say anything else. Lol you cant get upset when someone transfers after you were saying he was bad during the season.
Others will transfer or leave the program bc isu and Benson hasn't said anything or made an announcement yet. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who might leave as we are Redbird fans and can figure who they are, so the I'm hearing group isn't hearing anything bc the kids haven't been on campus for 2.5 weeks or so.

With Rey I am sorry to see Rey leave but it's best for both parties. Rey seemed a step slow and really didn't play well with Fisher or any other big. Sad see Rey go again bc it's best for both parties. Wish Rey would've realized how big and athletic he was while he was a Redbird.

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So it's on Rey. No blame for lack of development from coaching staff ?

Its just what's best for both. Rey lost playing time bc he was playing bad. Rey started the first 2 games in conference play and had 5 points and 3 rebounds in 45 total minutes. When he was putting up double figures consistently before that. So why did his numbers dip? Idk but the coaching staff had him playing good until those first 2 conference games.
Now like I said Rey was slow of foot and I font think it was a coincidence that as Rey saw less playing time Fisher play improved. With Abdou starting they could switch and rotate on defense better and it didn't clog the lane on offense.
Relax Trey, sometimes it's for the best. There are 500 transfers in college basketball. Even your best team in the state Illinois as you said lost a transfer who was gonna start and was their best 3 point shooter. Now is that Underwood fault?

 

[MadBird]

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Rey and Kaminsky are not even close to the same type of player when it comes down to what they do on the court and their size. If anything, Kotov is a better comparison to Kaminsky.

I'm not comparing them as players (you should have been able to figger that out), I was comparing their STATS, which is the reason some people are saying they're glad to see Rey go - he hasn't "shown enough". I was saying, thank God UW didn't kick Kaminsky out the door for averaging fewer points than Rey during his first two years. Some players take a while to develop.

We'd be lucky to get Rey to average a double-double by his senior year, even 8 and 8, but I still think he could improve and help the Birds.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Can some one fill me in on the mysterious big man Dan is recruiting? Is his name Olajuwon or worthy? I don’t see how this late in the recruiting cycle you’re going to find much especially at the 5 which is probably the shallowest of the talent pools.

It’s clear to me next season is going to be another edition of chuck and duck. Maybe we will win 10 games?

 

[ILLST25]

Can some one fill me in on the mysterious big man Dan is recruiting? Is his name Olajuwon or worthy? I don’t see how this late in the recruiting cycle you’re going to find much especially at the 5 which is probably the shallowest of the talent pools.

It’s clear to me next season is going to be another edition of chuck and duck. Maybe we will win 10 games?

We desperately need a scoring post player. As it stands our inside guys are fisher, ndiaye, Andrews, and Kotov. Then we also have sissoko and Bruninga who aren’t really built for low post scoring. Ndiaye has a lot of work to do before he’s a post scoring threat, Kotov sounds like he’s still trying to develop this part of his game, Andrews will be extremely young when he comes in and I don’t expect him to contribute a ton right away, and Fisher seems to be competent in this area but lacks length to go against 5s.

 

[DaveBird10]

Can some one fill me in on the mysterious big man Dan is recruiting? Is his name Olajuwon or worthy? I don’t see how this late in the recruiting cycle you’re going to find much especially at the 5 which is probably the shallowest of the talent pools.

It’s clear to me next season is going to be another edition of chuck and duck. Maybe we will win 10 games?

We desperately need a scoring post player. As it stands our inside guys are fisher, ndiaye, Andrews, and Kotov. Then we also have sissoko and Bruninga who aren’t really built for low post scoring. Ndiaye has a lot of work to do before he’s a post scoring threat, Kotov sounds like he’s still trying to develop this part of his game, Andrews will be extremely young when he comes in and I don’t expect him to contribute a ton right away, and Fisher seems to be competent in this area but lacks length to go against 5s.

My guess is idk if they go for a true low post guy. 1 reason why I think Rey didn't work was bc he clogged the lane with Fisher. They just didn't click together. Look at both numbers after Rey went to the bench and the way Fisher played with Bruninga and Abdou. Now add Kotov to the mix it's all guys who are spot up shooters or in Abdou case a guy who can set picks and free up the lane for Fisher. On defense it's all guys who can switch and rotate. Fisher was the best low post defender anyway and most mvc teams dont have 2 low post guys on the court at the same time. That's just my thought, when looking at the roster.

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[ricohill]

I look at it this way, how was Rey ever going to put up numbers? Unless he planned on stealing the ball from our guards he wasn’t going to get shots.

Muller has had Lynch, Fayne, and Yarbourgh and didn’t get them touches inside. Rey’s best chance to do anything was to go chase down bricked shots we jacked up.

Either Muller recruited someone not good enough to play or couldn’t coach him.

Now we have a Russian that doesn’t play inside and the stick man inside. Unless we have a 4 star 5 man looking to come to ISU, it is another year of no post presence.

And if Fisher is our 5 we are screwed.

 

[gobirds85]

Some schools in need of some big, physical inside presence look at the football team to see if anyone there has any hs experience and desire. Any potential candidates over at Hancock?

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Can some one fill me in on the mysterious big man Dan is recruiting? Is his name Olajuwon or worthy? I don’t see how this late in the recruiting cycle you’re going to find much especially at the 5 which is probably the shallowest of the talent pools.

It’s clear to me next season is going to be another edition of chuck and duck. Maybe we will win 10 games?

Some of Dan’s best recruiting has been done in Spring.

 

[DaveBird10]

I look at it this way, how was Rey ever going to put up numbers? Unless he planned on stealing the ball from our guards he wasn’t going to get shots.

Muller has had Lynch, Fayne, and Yarbourgh and didn’t get them touches inside. Rey’s best chance to do anything was to go chase down bricked shots we jacked up.

Either Muller recruited someone not good enough to play or couldn’t coach him.

Now we have a Russian that doesn’t play inside and the stick man inside. Unless we have a 4 star 5 man looking to come to ISU, it is another year of no post presence.

And if Fisher is our 5 we are screwed.

Lmao Yarbrough and Fayne didn't get enough touches.

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[CB2K]

Best of luck Rey! Thanks for being a Redbird!

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Can some one fill me in on the mysterious big man Dan is recruiting? Is his name Olajuwon or worthy? I don’t see how this late in the recruiting cycle you’re going to find much especially at the 5 which is probably the shallowest of the talent pools.

It’s clear to me next season is going to be another edition of chuck and duck. Maybe we will win 10 games?

Some of Dan’s best recruiting has been done in Spring.

Reeves was a nice get last year late in the game, because he did not get his big ten offer he held out for. Who else? All the high school talent is signed sealed and delivered at this point for the most part.

 

[Loyl2u]

So what real center has got the minutes Rey got and produced more? Reggie? he avg. 20 min and avg 8 pts/5 rb and Rey played almost every minute this year w/4 guards on the floor to help defend/rebound. What would his stats have been if you actually ran an offense which put him on the block?

His later conduct withstanding, I loved Reggie and always wanted him to get more minutes, but I think people have selective memory, there were plenty of head shaking moments, especially Reggie’s freshman year, but he was a freshman and he got better the more he played.

Totally disagree on the “Rey didn’t play well with Fisher”. When Fisher was playing against a 4, he was most successful -had the ability to create, didn’t have to guard the 5 freeing him from fouls that reduced his minutes and he got more rebounds. When he was the sole 4/5 on court, he set the high screen. Of course playing a 5 with Fisher would have meant that one of the guards that couldn’t play out front or guard played less. Now I didn’t say the team would score more points when Fisher/Rey were both on the floor, I said better competing against the other team. Better defensively, better on boards. When the centers were off the court, who was defending the best 4 for the opponent, the Birds got killed so bad by that position, they had to go to zone and that worked as a surprise, but not after people prepared for it.

 

[DWRedbird]

Can some one fill me in on the mysterious big man Dan is recruiting? Is his name Olajuwon or worthy? I don’t see how this late in the recruiting cycle you’re going to find much especially at the 5 which is probably the shallowest of the talent pools.

It’s clear to me next season is going to be another edition of chuck and duck. Maybe we will win 10 games?

Some of Dan’s best recruiting has been done in Spring.

Reeves was a nice get last year late in the game, because he did not get his big ten offer he held out for. Who else? All the high school talent is signed sealed and delivered at this point for the most part.

Both McIntosh and Hawkins were spring recruits I believe.

 

[ricohill]

I look at it this way, how was Rey ever going to put up numbers? Unless he planned on stealing the ball from our guards he wasn’t going to get shots.

Muller has had Lynch, Fayne, and Yarbourgh and didn’t get them touches inside. Rey’s best chance to do anything was to go chase down bricked shots we jacked up.

Either Muller recruited someone not good enough to play or couldn’t coach him.

Now we have a Russian that doesn’t play inside and the stick man inside. Unless we have a 4 star 5 man looking to come to ISU, it is another year of no post presence.

And if Fisher is our 5 we are screwed.

Lmao Yarbrough and Fayne didn't get enough touches.

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They got touches. Just 10 to 22 feet away from the basket.

We could have Shaq and Muller would find away to not touch the ball at the rim.

 

[redbirds2000]

Some schools in need of some big, physical inside presence look at the football team to see if anyone there has any hs experience and desire. Any potential candidates over at Hancock?

Drew Himmelman. 2nd team All State.
His agent probably wouldn't appreciate him playing bball in January.

 

[MadBird]

So what real center has got the minutes Rey got and produced more? Reggie? he avg. 20 min and avg 8 pts/5 rb and Rey played almost every minute this year w/4 guards on the floor to help defend/rebound. What would his stats have been if you actually ran an offense which put him on the block?

His later conduct withstanding, I loved Reggie and always wanted him to get more minutes, but I think people have selective memory, there were plenty of head shaking moments, especially Reggie’s freshman year, but he was a freshman and he got better the more he played.

Totally disagree on the “Rey didn’t play well with Fisher”. When Fisher was playing against a 4, he was most successful -had the ability to create, didn’t have to guard the 5 freeing him from fouls that reduced his minutes and he got more rebounds. When he was the sole 4/5 on court, he set the high screen. Of course playing a 5 with Fisher would have meant that one of the guards that couldn’t play out front or guard played less. Now I didn’t say the team would score more points when Fisher/Rey were both on the floor, I said better competing against the other team. Better defensively, better on boards. When the centers were off the court, who was defending the best 4 for the opponent, the Birds got killed so bad by that position, they had to go to zone and that worked as a surprise, but not after people prepared for it.

Agree, I thought Fisher and Rey (and Abdou too) doing the "high/low" post was pretty effective. I wouldn't try to argue Rey was ready to be all-conference. But I have always thought there was more to get from him.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Some of Dan’s best recruiting has been done in Spring.

Reeves was a nice get last year late in the game, because he did not get his big ten offer he held out for. Who else? All the high school talent is signed sealed and delivered at this point for the most part.

Both McIntosh and Hawkins were spring recruits I believe.

While both were talented guys, there is a reason Dan was able to get them. McIntosh wasn’t qualified and Hawkins was at Wichita and riddled with off the court issues.

 

[DWRedbird]

Reeves was a nice get last year late in the game, because he did not get his big ten offer he held out for. Who else? All the high school talent is signed sealed and delivered at this point for the most part.

Both McIntosh and Hawkins were spring recruits I believe.

While both were talented guys, there is a reason Dan was able to get them. McIntosh wasn’t qualified and Hawkins was at Wichita and riddled with off the court issues.

Still both good gets in the spring.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us get one grad transfer big and then probably a good sit 1 play multiple transfer. No idea how good they will be or what we'll do with them, but that is my guess.