Who will transfer out?

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Your comment that players love to play for muller is interesting. This seems like a questionable opinion based on his transfer rates and the fact tht his best player in his tenure (P lee) would have left due to the fact he didn’t like Dan except Paris’ mother convinced him to stay.

Who are the relevant players that have left this program because of their dislike of Coach Muller?

Hawkins, McIntosh, Ekey, Ziesloft, Johnny Hill, Matt hein (RBF LOVED HIM!)... the list goes on and on.

If those guys liked their coach, they would have stuck around. Not worth dealing with Danny Duck, especially when you have options

Hawkins did not leave because he did not like Dan.
#1 Hawkins was a problem player. Dan gave him more chances than he deserved.
#2 Hawkins chose playing in the ACC over the MVC.
McIntosh did not leave because he did not like Dan. He left to to play in a P5 conference, and to improve his chances to play in the NBA.
As for the rest of your examples, The key word was Relevant. None on your list could start on any of the descent teams in the MVC. And Hein is a very bad example of a player that Dan ran off. Hein had a very good relationship with Dan. He was not going to get PT in a Redbird uniform and he knew it.
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but many colleges are having player’s transfer every year. And most of the time it has nothing to do with their relationship with the coach. They want more minutes, or the want to play in a bigger conference, or they want to play closer to home. Of course the Redbird players leave so that you can have another reason to bitch about Dan.

 

[ricohill]

Who are the relevant players that have left this program because of their dislike of Coach Muller?

Hawkins, McIntosh, Ekey, Ziesloft, Johnny Hill, Matt hein (RBF LOVED HIM!)... the list goes on and on.

If those guys liked their coach, they would have stuck around. Not worth dealing with Danny Duck, especially when you have options

Hawkins did not leave because he did not like Dan.
#1 Hawkins was a problem player. Dan gave him more chances than he deserved.
#2 Hawkins chose playing in the ACC over the MVC.
McIntosh did not leave because he did not like Dan. He left to to play in a P5 conference, and to improve his chances to play in the NBA.
As for the rest of your examples, The key word was Relevant. None on your list could start on any of the descent teams in the MVC. And Hein is a very bad example of a player that Dan ran off. Hein had a very good relationship with Dan. He was not going to get PT in a Redbird uniform and he knew it.
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but many colleges are having player’s transfer every year. And most of the time it has nothing to do with their relationship with the coach. They want more minutes, or the want to play in a bigger conference, or they want to play closer to home. Of course the Redbird players leave so that you can have another reason to bitch about Dan.

3 guys on that list played in the Big Ten....I assume that’s better than the MVC.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Hawkins, McIntosh, Ekey, Ziesloft, Johnny Hill, Matt hein (RBF LOVED HIM!)... the list goes on and on.

If those guys liked their coach, they would have stuck around. Not worth dealing with Danny Duck, especially when you have options

Hawkins did not leave because he did not like Dan.
#1 Hawkins was a problem player. Dan gave him more chances than he deserved.
#2 Hawkins chose playing in the ACC over the MVC.
McIntosh did not leave because he did not like Dan. He left to to play in a P5 conference, and to improve his chances to play in the NBA.
As for the rest of your examples, The key word was Relevant. None on your list could start on any of the descent teams in the MVC. And Hein is a very bad example of a player that Dan ran off. Hein had a very good relationship with Dan. He was not going to get PT in a Redbird uniform and he knew it.
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but many colleges are having player’s transfer every year. And most of the time it has nothing to do with their relationship with the coach. They want more minutes, or the want to play in a bigger conference, or they want to play closer to home. Of course the Redbird players leave so that you can have another reason to bitch about Dan.

3 guys on that list played in the Big Ten....I assume that’s better than the MVC.

And they left because they didn’t like Dan?

 

[ricohill]

Hawkins did not leave because he did not like Dan.
#1 Hawkins was a problem player. Dan gave him more chances than he deserved.
#2 Hawkins chose playing in the ACC over the MVC.
McIntosh did not leave because he did not like Dan. He left to to play in a P5 conference, and to improve his chances to play in the NBA.
As for the rest of your examples, The key word was Relevant. None on your list could start on any of the descent teams in the MVC. And Hein is a very bad example of a player that Dan ran off. Hein had a very good relationship with Dan. He was not going to get PT in a Redbird uniform and he knew it.
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but many colleges are having player’s transfer every year. And most of the time it has nothing to do with their relationship with the coach. They want more minutes, or the want to play in a bigger conference, or they want to play closer to home. Of course the Redbird players leave so that you can have another reason to bitch about Dan.

3 guys on that list played in the Big Ten....I assume that’s better than the MVC.

And they left because they didn’t like Dan?

100 percent yes.

 

[bombay]

Too bad these clowns are completely impotent and lack the ability to affect anything ever, and are reduced to repetitive hysterical sobbing.

 

[DWRedbird]

3 guys on that list played in the Big Ten....I assume that’s better than the MVC.

And they left because they didn’t like Dan?

100 percent yes.

Prove it

 

[DaveBird10]

And they left because they didn’t like Dan?

100 percent yes.

Prove it

DWRedbird, Rico and Jamar dont like Dan so obviously every player who transfers out doesn't like Dan.

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[ricohill]

Too bad these clowns are completely impotent and lack the ability to affect anything ever, and are reduced to repetitive hysterical sobbing.

Shouldn’t you be out touting the demise of Creighton (Big East Champs) and Wichita? I believe you said they were finished for leaving the MVC?

Also, just because Dietz and Lyons won’t do anything doesn’t mean we are wrong.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

And they left because they didn’t like Dan?

100 percent yes.

Prove it

LOL- open your eyes....

 

[DWRedbird]

100 percent yes.

Prove it

LOL- open your eyes....

Prove it. I know you guys like making stuff up, you are both 100% certain, prove it.

 

[ricohill]

Prove it

LOL- open your eyes....

Prove it. I know you guys like making stuff up, you are both 100% certain, prove it.

How many kids transfer because they love their coach?

Might want to actually talk to people and you would get the proof you want. Ask Treloff sometime why guys left.

 

[DWRedbird]

LOL- open your eyes....

Prove it. I know you guys like making stuff up, you are both 100% certain, prove it.

How many kids transfer because they love their coach?

Might want to actually talk to people and you would get the proof you want. Ask Treloff sometime why guys left.

You made the claim, back it up.

Just because a kid transfers doesn't mean he dislikes the coach. Sometimes they transfer for more playing time, to play the position they want, they want a different style of play, want to play for a team that will get them more coverage, academics align better.

 

[ricohill]

Prove it. I know you guys like making stuff up, you are both 100% certain, prove it.

How many kids transfer because they love their coach?

Might want to actually talk to people and you would get the proof you want. Ask Treloff sometime why guys left.

You made the claim, back it up.

Just because a kid transfers doesn't mean he dislikes the coach. Sometimes they transfer for more playing time, to play the position they want, they want a different style of play, want to play for a team that will get them more coverage, academics align better.

Sure, I’ll go back in my time machine. Record all the conversations I had with people that were involved. Then I’ll upload those to here. Do you have SoundCloud?

 

[ISU FAN 1]

gotta hand it to @Trey_Guidry4three ... press conference was not even finished and he had already launched the first salvo for 2020-21. CLASSIC!

A golden opportunity missed last night. Announcement that Dietz, Lyons and Muller have been removed and @Trey_Guidry4three, @ricohill and @jamminjamarsmiley are President, Athletic Director and Head Coach of Men's Basketball.

It is not like the three of you do not have valid point(s), but in your eyes any dead horse is not nearly dead ENOUGH for your liking. Your message has been heard (and heard (and heard (and heard))).

He probably beat Dan Muller's first excuses for 2020-21 by about 15 minutes. I fully expect those to come in the Jim Benson puff piece recapping the season.

Puff piece lacking puff.
https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/kindred-illinois-state-s-basketball-program--under-for-the/article_30c25bc1-3d68-50ec-9cf9-1e0daaf33d6c.html?utm_source=Pantagraph&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=News%20Alerts

 

[DWRedbird]

How many kids transfer because they love their coach?

Might want to actually talk to people and you would get the proof you want. Ask Treloff sometime why guys left.

You made the claim, back it up.

Just because a kid transfers doesn't mean he dislikes the coach. Sometimes they transfer for more playing time, to play the position they want, they want a different style of play, want to play for a team that will get them more coverage, academics align better.

Sure, I’ll go back in my time machine. Record all the conversations I had with people that were involved. Then I’ll upload those to here. Do you have SoundCloud?

Rico translation: "I'm making up things and deflecting so no one notices I'm full of shit"

 

[ricohill]

You made the claim, back it up.

Just because a kid transfers doesn't mean he dislikes the coach. Sometimes they transfer for more playing time, to play the position they want, they want a different style of play, want to play for a team that will get them more coverage, academics align better.

Sure, I’ll go back in my time machine. Record all the conversations I had with people that were involved. Then I’ll upload those to here. Do you have SoundCloud?

Rico translation: "I'm making up things and deflecting so no one notices I'm full of shit"

How exactly do you want me to prove this to you? You are asking for something so dumb only someone clueless would ask for.

 

[DWRedbird]

Sure, I’ll go back in my time machine. Record all the conversations I had with people that were involved. Then I’ll upload those to here. Do you have SoundCloud?

Rico translation: "I'm making up things and deflecting so no one notices I'm full of shit"

How exactly do you want me to prove this to you? You are asking for something so dumb only someone clueless would ask for.

You are 100% certain though, so I assumed that you brought something for show and tell. But, your whole argument is "I'm lying to you, but trust me, take my word for it."

 

[Trey_Guidry4three]

Prove it. I know you guys like making stuff up, you are both 100% certain, prove it.

How many kids transfer because they love their coach?

Might want to actually talk to people and you would get the proof you want. Ask Treloff sometime why guys left.

You made the claim, back it up.

Just because a kid transfers doesn't mean he dislikes the coach. Sometimes they transfer for more playing time, to play the position they want, they want a different style of play, want to play for a team that will get them more coverage, academics align better.

A valid question: How many core players transfer out of UNI every year? How many transferred out of Wichita state and Creighton when they were in the valley? Wait for it..... yep.... exactly

 

[DaveBird10]

How many kids transfer because they love their coach?

Might want to actually talk to people and you would get the proof you want. Ask Treloff sometime why guys left.

You made the claim, back it up.

Just because a kid transfers doesn't mean he dislikes the coach. Sometimes they transfer for more playing time, to play the position they want, they want a different style of play, want to play for a team that will get them more coverage, academics align better.

A valid question: How many core players transfer out of UNI every year? How many transferred out of Wichita state and Creighton when they were in the valley? Wait for it..... yep.... exactly

Who left that you wanted to stay?

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[DWRedbird]

How many kids transfer because they love their coach?

Might want to actually talk to people and you would get the proof you want. Ask Treloff sometime why guys left.

You made the claim, back it up.

Just because a kid transfers doesn't mean he dislikes the coach. Sometimes they transfer for more playing time, to play the position they want, they want a different style of play, want to play for a team that will get them more coverage, academics align better.

A valid question: How many core players transfer out of UNI every year? How many transferred out of Wichita state and Creighton when they were in the valley? Wait for it..... yep.... exactly

That doesn't prove a player left because they didn't like the coach. As I said above, players leave for a multitude of reasons. Might some of them not like the coach, absolutely, do all transfers leave because they don't like the coach, no, and to bang that drum like it's a fact is just false.

Muller absolutely has a retention problem, but this narrative that no one likes playing for Muller and that none of the players like Muller is just false.