Vidette - Student Attendance

[Redbird28]

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

Why do you bother coming to this site? Surely, if you view this school as a "punishment school" then you are punishing yourself by coming here and subjecting yourself to reading and posting on this forum.

Alma mater. I didn’t know any better when I chose ISU. And my folks weren’t well off, and ISU is what I could afford, since I was paying my own way. Older sibling was at U of I. Wasn’t very impressive either in that era, IMO. But I’m talking about an era where a year’s tuition cost $1000-1500. Now, schools are charging upwards of $40,000-50,000. And that has created an arms race in which ISU simply isn’t competitive.

I did love Redbird basketball, so ISU had that going for it when I chose ISU. But really chose it over no other option. Kids have more choices today, and ISU is not putting a good foot forward, IMO, in terms of comparison to other universities. I would have loved for my kids to want to go to ISU. But after the visits, I knew they wouldn’t be interested. I wish ISU made a better impression. I wish ISU had a better academic record. I wish an ISU degree carried more weight. To be honest, ISU is really beneath my kids. They can do better. It makes no sense for them to go there.

The ISU visit promoted value and fun. Not knocking those characteristics. Delivered the same things when I went to ISU, and quite honestly, were the traits I was looking for. The serious student looking for a meaningful degree and academic challenge is looking for more than value and fun. ISU, and most schools, fill a niche that attracts a certain type of student. Just not the right fit for my kids.

Fair. Thank you for articulating a level headed response, as I would expect from you after reading your posts over the years. I totally get where you are coming from thanks to the insight.

I paid my own way as well, but I certainly don't look at any school as beneath my kid. Of course, she's in 4th grade but sitting in a class full of 5th graders because she's reading at a sophomore level. So, her academic future appears to be bright. I want the best for her, naturally, but my ISU degree gave me an opportunity to be in charge of an Engineering department so I'm doing well enough for myself as well.

Will I push her to attend ISU? No. Will I be upset if that's the choice she decides to make? No. Will I use it as a punishment school? No.

I guess, in general, my point is that I love the university that afforded me the opportunity, and allowed me, to have a fantastic time earning that degree. No amount of wins or losses will change how I feel, other than to raise my frustration level the night of the game. After that. it's on to the next one.

As far as school's go, at the end of the day, in many hiring manager's eyes, what matters most is whether you have the piece of paper, not where the piece of paper is from. That piece of paper, plus the ability to carry yourself in meetings and interact with people at all levels are what truly gives you a shot at a better future. Just like basketball recruits, talent comes from everywhere. If you blind yourself to a school, or in recruiting's case a city's name, you are potentially limiting yourself. My experiences, particularly the interaction with so many different people at all age and title levels while I was at ISU shaped me into who I am today during my formative years. I'd gladly take that punishment again and again because the results speak for themselves.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Why do you bother coming to this site? Surely, if you view this school as a "punishment school" then you are punishing yourself by coming here and subjecting yourself to reading and posting on this forum.

Alma mater. I didn’t know any better when I chose ISU. And my folks weren’t well off, and ISU is what I could afford, since I was paying my own way. Older sibling was at U of I. Wasn’t very impressive either in that era, IMO. But I’m talking about an era where a year’s tuition cost $1000-1500. Now, schools are charging upwards of $40,000-50,000. And that has created an arms race in which ISU simply isn’t competitive.

I did love Redbird basketball, so ISU had that going for it when I chose ISU. But really chose it over no other option. Kids have more choices today, and ISU is not putting a good foot forward, IMO, in terms of comparison to other universities. I would have loved for my kids to want to go to ISU. But after the visits, I knew they wouldn’t be interested. I wish ISU made a better impression. I wish ISU had a better academic record. I wish an ISU degree carried more weight. To be honest, ISU is really beneath my kids. They can do better. It makes no sense for them to go there.

The ISU visit promoted value and fun. Not knocking those characteristics. Delivered the same things when I went to ISU, and quite honestly, were the traits I was looking for. The serious student looking for a meaningful degree and academic challenge is looking for more than value and fun. ISU, and most schools, fill a niche that attracts a certain type of student. Just not the right fit for my kids.

Fair. Thank you for articulating a level headed response, as I would expect from you after reading your posts over the years. I totally get where you are coming from thanks to the insight.

I paid my own way as well, but I certainly don't look at any school as beneath my kid. Of course, she's in 4th grade but sitting in a class full of 5th graders because she's reading at a sophomore level. So, her academic future appears to be bright. I want the best for her, naturally, but my ISU degree gave me an opportunity to be in charge of an Engineering department so I'm doing well enough for myself as well.

Will I push her to attend ISU? No. Will I be upset if that's the choice she decides to make? No. Will I use it as a punishment school? No.

I guess, in general, my point is that I love the university that afforded me the opportunity, and allowed me, to have a fantastic time earning that degree. No amount of wins or losses will change how I feel, other than to raise my frustration level the night of the game. After that. it's on to the next one.

As far as school's go, at the end of the day, in many hiring manager's eyes, what matters most is whether you have the piece of paper, not where the piece of paper is from. That piece of paper, plus the ability to carry yourself in meetings and interact with people at all levels are what truly gives you a shot at a better future. Just like basketball recruits, talent comes from everywhere. If you blind yourself to a school, or in recruiting's case a city's name, you are potentially limiting yourself. My experiences, particularly the interaction with so many different people at all age and title levels while I was at ISU shaped me into who I am today during my formative years. I'd gladly take that punishment again and again because the results speak for themselves.

My kids defied genetics and scored really high on standardized tests. That’s the only reason I feel like ISU is beneath them. Because they have qualified to go to “better” schools with higher average acceptance scores.

I think the piece of paper argument is sound for places like State Farm. They didn’t seem to put any weight on where a degree was from. But I never considered State Farm a normal “real world” type of corporate culture, although it’s moving in that direction. All things otherwise being equal, I think that a school’s academic reputation can make a difference in competing for jobs.

Maybe punishment is the wrong word. I know my kids have ISU at the bottom of their lists. I’ll call ISU their incentive to make their more expensive first choice work out. The real punishment is being closer to me.

 

[Jon99]

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

I would be curious what the other schools on your kids list were, because where I sit I see ISU is doing very well attracting quality students with enrollment higher now than it was 10 years ago while the directional schools have seen decreases of about 40%.

 

[Redbird28]

Alma mater. I didn’t know any better when I chose ISU. And my folks weren’t well off, and ISU is what I could afford, since I was paying my own way. Older sibling was at U of I. Wasn’t very impressive either in that era, IMO. But I’m talking about an era where a year’s tuition cost $1000-1500. Now, schools are charging upwards of $40,000-50,000. And that has created an arms race in which ISU simply isn’t competitive.

I did love Redbird basketball, so ISU had that going for it when I chose ISU. But really chose it over no other option. Kids have more choices today, and ISU is not putting a good foot forward, IMO, in terms of comparison to other universities. I would have loved for my kids to want to go to ISU. But after the visits, I knew they wouldn’t be interested. I wish ISU made a better impression. I wish ISU had a better academic record. I wish an ISU degree carried more weight. To be honest, ISU is really beneath my kids. They can do better. It makes no sense for them to go there.

The ISU visit promoted value and fun. Not knocking those characteristics. Delivered the same things when I went to ISU, and quite honestly, were the traits I was looking for. The serious student looking for a meaningful degree and academic challenge is looking for more than value and fun. ISU, and most schools, fill a niche that attracts a certain type of student. Just not the right fit for my kids.

Fair. Thank you for articulating a level headed response, as I would expect from you after reading your posts over the years. I totally get where you are coming from thanks to the insight.

I paid my own way as well, but I certainly don't look at any school as beneath my kid. Of course, she's in 4th grade but sitting in a class full of 5th graders because she's reading at a sophomore level. So, her academic future appears to be bright. I want the best for her, naturally, but my ISU degree gave me an opportunity to be in charge of an Engineering department so I'm doing well enough for myself as well.

Will I push her to attend ISU? No. Will I be upset if that's the choice she decides to make? No. Will I use it as a punishment school? No.

I guess, in general, my point is that I love the university that afforded me the opportunity, and allowed me, to have a fantastic time earning that degree. No amount of wins or losses will change how I feel, other than to raise my frustration level the night of the game. After that. it's on to the next one.

As far as school's go, at the end of the day, in many hiring manager's eyes, what matters most is whether you have the piece of paper, not where the piece of paper is from. That piece of paper, plus the ability to carry yourself in meetings and interact with people at all levels are what truly gives you a shot at a better future. Just like basketball recruits, talent comes from everywhere. If you blind yourself to a school, or in recruiting's case a city's name, you are potentially limiting yourself. My experiences, particularly the interaction with so many different people at all age and title levels while I was at ISU shaped me into who I am today during my formative years. I'd gladly take that punishment again and again because the results speak for themselves.

My kids defied genetics and scored really high on standardized tests. That’s the only reason I feel like ISU is beneath them. Because they have qualified to go to “better” schools with higher average acceptance scores.

I think the piece of paper argument is sound for places like State Farm. They didn’t seem to put any weight on where a degree was from. But I never considered State Farm a normal “real world” type of corporate culture, although it’s moving in that direction. All things otherwise being equal, I think that a school’s academic reputation can make a difference in competing for jobs.

Maybe punishment is the wrong word. I know my kids have ISU at the bottom of their lists. I’ll call ISU their incentive to make their more expensive first choice work out. The real punishment is being closer to me.

Well played.

 

[DWRedbird]

My kids defied genetics and scored really high on standardized tests. That’s the only reason I feel like ISU is beneath them. Because they have qualified to go to “better” schools with higher average acceptance scores.

I think the piece of paper argument is sound for places like State Farm. They didn’t seem to put any weight on where a degree was from. But I never considered State Farm a normal “real world” type of corporate culture, although it’s moving in that direction. All things otherwise being equal, I think that a school’s academic reputation can make a difference in competing for jobs.

Maybe punishment is the wrong word. I know my kids have ISU at the bottom of their lists. I’ll call ISU their incentive to make their more expensive first choice work out. The real punishment is being closer to me.

I think it depends on the type of degree as to how much weight is placed on the institution. I know education degrees from ISU carry more than a bit of weight both in and out state (as do those who pass content exams in Illinois). I know that Business Admin/Management degrees from ISU carry weight at other companies, especially in the midwest. ISU is also starting to get some good rep for their Cyber Security stuff (partially thanks to State Farm).

Having spoken to recruiters as several firms recently (laid off and trying to find a new job), I can tell you that ISU isn't looked down on when talking to them. It's not say Harvard/Standford/Yale by any means, but at least for the IT world it is on an equal playing field to a lot of P6 schools.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

I would be curious what the other schools on your kids list were, because where I sit I see ISU is doing very well attracting quality students with enrollment higher now than it was 10 years ago while the directional schools have seen decreases of about 40%.

Can you please provide the metrics that state ISU is better now than 10 years ago? I hear it on this site but at same time I read where ISU’s national academic ranking has fallen (that is a big deal), enrollment has been flat for 30 years (trend for steong/top performing institutions is to grow) and it appears average metrics around incoming students has been flat. Would love to see some data that supports the improvement of ISU’s academic standing

As an aside the name on the paper matters big time for certain companies (ex..many top consulting companies) and industries (ex investment banking) but it doesn’t at the lesser paying or more common industries.

 

[JHBird]

I've been told that they really don't want enrollment to grow too much from here. The school doesn't have the capacity. I think they are very happy to have stable numbers. To really grow we'd have to conquer some neighborhoods, you know, to have that 'living space'.

 

[Trey_Guidry4three]

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

You must live in a private country club world to think that ISU is a punishment school. I understand what you are saying about Butler but that's just a narrow minded take on ISU

 

[Jon99]

Can you please provide the metrics that state ISU is better now than 10 years ago? I hear it on this site but at same time I read where ISU’s national academic ranking has fallen (that is a big deal), enrollment has been flat for 30 years (trend for steong/top performing institutions is to grow) and it appears average metrics around incoming students has been flat. Would love to see some data that supports the improvement of ISU’s academic standing

As an aside the name on the paper matters big time for certain companies (ex..many top consulting companies) and industries (ex investment banking) but it doesn’t at the lesser paying or more common industries.
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I have been told on more than one occasion from the guidance department at the schools I teach at that ISU average ACT score has increased in the last 10 years, that was my basis.

If you are talking about their USNWR ranking falling, it has, but only because that publication has included more schools into the national university rankings, and some of those were ranked higher than ISU.

 

[SgtHulka]

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

You must live in a private country club world to think that ISU is a punishment school.

Well...word on the street is he has a 7 figure value, so duh

 

[Hamdonger]

Well...word on the street is he has a 7 figure value, so duh

Your neighborhood is better. It's a place where home runs go to die and money grows on trees.

 

[Bird Friend]

Well...word on the street is he has a 7 figure value, so duh

Your neighborhood is better. It's a place where home runs go to die and money grows on trees.

That makes no cents.

 

[SgtHulka]

Well...word on the street is he has a 7 figure value, so duh

Your neighborhood is better. It's a place where home runs go to die and money grows on trees.

Spring has sprung

 

[ricohill]

Updated seating chart for Redbird Arena. $1,000 donation for the "Loge Seating". That will be interesting to see who drops the money down for those. I would guess most of those will end up going to businesses. If anyone buys them. More than likely I bet those are giveaways.

Lowered the courtside seats from $1,000 to $400. All the years of never selling those this gives them a chance to actually sell some now.

Plus, after years of calling them out they finally reduced the prices of upper bowl seats. It's a proud day that they are finally taking my advice on ticket prices.

 

[isuquinndog]

Probably should be it's own thread, but interesting there is student tickets behind BOTH baskets. That wasn't like that before, right?

 

[SgtHulka]

Probably should be it's own thread, but interesting there is student tickets behind BOTH baskets. That wasn't like that before, right?

Right. They are kicking the L Train crew out of their long held section

Thanks Muller

 

[chuckie1980]

They are flipping the benches?

 

[ricohill]

They are flipping the benches?

Yes, so you don't have to go to the opposite end to get to your own locker room.

Will be interesting to see how many people they lose over the new donation prices. It is now pretty pricey for season tickets in the lower bowl for low-major basketball.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

They are flipping the benches?

Yes, so you don't have to go to the opposite end to get to your own locker room.

Will be interesting to see how many people they lose over the new donation prices. It is now pretty pricey for season tickets in the lower bowl for low-major basketball.

Will be hard to tell if they lose them due to new pricing, or due to the team performance this past season.

 

[Redbird78]

Will be interesting to see how many people they lose over the new donation prices. It is now pretty pricey for season tickets in the lower bowl for low-major basketball.
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Will be hard to tell if they lose them due to new pricing, or due to the team performance this past season.
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This!