Vidette - Student Attendance

[gobirds85]

Friedman wasn't fired. He left because it was "the right fit" according to him. I don't know what he did to the departments rep. Maybe you have info on that?

I know he was very aggressive (at times could be an a$$ ) and ruffled some feathers (that probably needed to be ruffled). I always liked Friedman. He was on the same page of moving ISU forward.

Not just at times. And while "technically" he wasn't fired . . . he was fired. And Lyons was put in to calm down the ruffled feathers and be a bridge until Leetch could be take over as the AD . . . Unfortunately, there was a plane crash . . .

Agree with that.

Friedman did hire Muller and Barb Smith so he was 0-2 in coaching hires. Also, Bowman was retiring the same week Friedman resigned and he hired Lyons. It was an odd time for everything. Larry just happened to be around when they needed an AD.

Lucky us.

 

[ricohill]

Didn't Bowman hire and then fire Friedman, who did a lot of damage to the department's rep? Didn't Bowman hire Lyons to replace Friedman? I wonder what Bowman was thinking . . .

Friedman wasn't fired. He left because it was "the right fit" according to him. I don't know what he did to the departments rep. Maybe you have info on that?

I know he was very aggressive (at times could be an a$$ ) and ruffled some feathers (that probably needed to be ruffled). I always liked Friedman. He was on the same page of moving ISU forward.

Not just at times. And while "technically" he wasn't fired . . . he was fired. And Lyons was put in to calm down the ruffled feathers and be a bridge until Leetch could be take over as the AD . . . Unfortunately, there was a plane crash . . .

I get the feeling you have a pretty good idea of what was going on behind the scenes with Friedman. I would love to know from you or anyone else what really happened with hiring Muller? Someone legitimate told Benson it was Judson. Did Friedman overrule Bowman or Vice versa??

 

[Bird Friend]

Friedman wasn't fired. He left because it was "the right fit" according to him. I don't know what he did to the departments rep. Maybe you have info on that?

I know he was very aggressive (at times could be an a$$ ) and ruffled some feathers (that probably needed to be ruffled). I always liked Friedman. He was on the same page of moving ISU forward.

Not just at times. And while "technically" he wasn't fired . . . he was fired. And Lyons was put in to calm down the ruffled feathers and be a bridge until Leetch could be take over as the AD . . . Unfortunately, there was a plane crash . . .

I get the feeling you have a pretty good idea of what was going on behind the scenes with Friedman. I would love to know from you or anyone else what really happened with hiring Muller? Someone legitimate told Benson it was Judson. Did Friedman overrule Bowman or Vice versa??

Would love to know the answers to that, too . . . but Friedman had no historical connection to Muller, so I see no reason why he would've felt compelled to give Dan the benefit of any doubts.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I would be very curious to know what Bowman thinks right now. All the work he and Zenger put in to try to take ISU to a higher level in athletics and now it's all been thrown away.

Dietz is a nice guy, but a winning athletics program (Men's Basketball and Football) doesn't matter as much to him as it did to Bowman. It isn't a priority to him and the University. There is no way he would allow Larry Lyons to stay as the AD if building a top notch athletic department was a priority. Lyons said his top priority is the Indoor facility and hasn't done anything with it in 5 years (there aren't even plans yet). I can't imagine Dietz would let the chair of the business department set a goal, fail, and keep their job. Not to mention attendance for Basketball/Football has dropped off and number of donors are down since Larry took over.

Back on the subject. A big part of the attendance issue is Muller. He's not an engaging personality, the style of play is boring, and most importantly he is not winning. Dan flat out has not done his job. One above average season isn't good enough. In the end winning COY and the MVC (regular season) may turn out to be a bad thing if it means 5 more years of Muller. It's already going to cost ISU millions of dollars if they have to buy him out.

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

Good luck with the duration of that post. Pollyannas will be all over it or it will be deleted.

 

[isuquinndog]

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

Good luck with the duration of that post. Pollyannas will be all over it or it will be deleted.

Give it a break. I don't delete posts unless it breaks a rule. You want to see deletes go over to disneyland in bradley's world. Or go read the thread on PJStar about how all the posters that post there had posts removed and have been banned for simply critizing.

If you think I just delete willy nilly, then there's the door.

 

[Redbird28]

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

Why do you bother coming to this site? Surely, if you view this school as a "punishment school" then you are punishing yourself by coming here and subjecting yourself to reading and posting on this forum.

 

[ricohill]

This is a good article on the impact an NCAA win can have on an entire school.

https://sports.yahoo.com/much-money-ncaa-tournament-upset-worth-winning-school-033845622.html

 

[BTbird]

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

I would just tell your kids that if they don't want to end up like their old man, they need to study harder.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

Why do you bother coming to this site? Surely, if you view this school as a "punishment school" then you are punishing yourself by coming here and subjecting yourself to reading and posting on this forum.

Alma mater. I didn’t know any better when I chose ISU. And my folks weren’t well off, and ISU is what I could afford, since I was paying my own way. Older sibling was at U of I. Wasn’t very impressive either in that era, IMO. But I’m talking about an era where a year’s tuition cost $1000-1500. Now, schools are charging upwards of $40,000-50,000. And that has created an arms race in which ISU simply isn’t competitive.

I did love Redbird basketball, so ISU had that going for it when I chose ISU. But really chose it over no other option. Kids have more choices today, and ISU is not putting a good foot forward, IMO, in terms of comparison to other universities. I would have loved for my kids to want to go to ISU. But after the visits, I knew they wouldn’t be interested. I wish ISU made a better impression. I wish ISU had a better academic record. I wish an ISU degree carried more weight. To be honest, ISU is really beneath my kids. They can do better. It makes no sense for them to go there.

The ISU visit promoted value and fun. Not knocking those characteristics. Delivered the same things when I went to ISU, and quite honestly, were the traits I was looking for. The serious student looking for a meaningful degree and academic challenge is looking for more than value and fun. ISU, and most schools, fill a niche that attracts a certain type of student. Just not the right fit for my kids.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

I would just tell your kids that if they don't want to end up like their old man, they need to study harder.

They could do worse. Dean’s list. Retired at 54. Seven figure equities account. I am the American dream.

 

[Hamdonger]

I would just tell your kids that if they don't want to end up like their old man, they need to study harder.

They could do worse. Dean’s list. Retired at 54. Seven figure equities account. I am the American dream.

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[ricohill]

Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

I would just tell your kids that if they don't want to end up like their old man, they need to study harder.

They could do worse. Dean’s list. Retired at 54. Seven figure equities account. I am the American dream.

:text-+1: Well done...gotta love being retired. It is too bad it comes at a time when ISU isn't winning anything. I would love to have been retired in the 80's and 90's when ISU was good. Would have had more time for road trips. Now you go over to Terre Haute or Peoria and get massacred.

 

[Hamdonger]

I would just tell your kids that if they don't want to end up like their old man, they need to study harder.

They could do worse. Dean’s list. Retired at 54. Seven figure equities account. I am the American dream.

 

[redbirds2000]

Basketball matters. Butler’s admission applications grew in great number and quality after their 2 straight trips to the title game. And now, other than Hinkle Fieldhouse, there campus is full of new buildings. All their residence halls are less than 5 years old. Meanwhile, when my kids visited ISU, they were led thru the Watterson Towers shithole. ISU comes in dead last on their lists. I only use ISU as the incentive to do well when they go to their top choice. If they screw up, ISU will be the punishment school.

Why do you bother coming to this site? Surely, if you view this school as a "punishment school" then you are punishing yourself by coming here and subjecting yourself to reading and posting on this forum.

Alma mater. I didn’t know any better when I chose ISU. And my folks weren’t well off, and ISU is what I could afford, since I was paying my own way. Older sibling was at U of I. Wasn’t very impressive either in that era, IMO. But I’m talking about an era where a year’s tuition cost $1000-1500. Now, schools are charging upwards of $40,000-50,000. And that has created an arms race in which ISU simply isn’t competitive.

I did love Redbird basketball, so ISU had that going for it when I chose ISU. But really chose it over no other option. Kids have more choices today, and ISU is not putting a good foot forward, IMO, in terms of comparison to other universities.

Agree. I grew up in the area with limited family resources. Only visited WIU. Went to ISU after 1 year of JUCO. I now live in the burbs. These kids up here are visiting Bama, UT, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Iowa, Wisky, Iowa State, Mizzou, and the list goes on. Not ISU. These schools are also handing out full academic rides in the burbs like crazy. I would say our local HS has at least 15 kids on full rides at Bama. ISU doesn't even cross their minds unless they want to be close to home.

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[Hamdonger]

I would just tell your kids that if they don't want to end up like their old man, they need to study harder.

They could do worse. Dean’s list. Retired at 54. Seven figure equities account. I am the American dream.

https://images.app.goo.gl/YibqJPYXtrZFJZuJ8

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Why do you bother coming to this site? Surely, if you view this school as a "punishment school" then you are punishing yourself by coming here and subjecting yourself to reading and posting on this forum.

Alma mater. I didn’t know any better when I chose ISU. And my folks weren’t well off, and ISU is what I could afford, since I was paying my own way. Older sibling was at U of I. Wasn’t very impressive either in that era, IMO. But I’m talking about an era where a year’s tuition cost $1000-1500. Now, schools are charging upwards of $40,000-50,000. And that has created an arms race in which ISU simply isn’t competitive.

I did love Redbird basketball, so ISU had that going for it when I chose ISU. But really chose it over no other option. Kids have more choices today, and ISU is not putting a good foot forward, IMO, in terms of comparison to other universities.

Agree. I grew up in the area with limited family resources. Only visited WIU. Went to ISU after 1 year of JUCO. I now live in the burbs. These kids up here are visiting Bama, UT, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Iowa, Wisky, Iowa State, Mizzou, and the list goes on. Not ISU. These schools are also handing out full academic rides in the burbs like crazy. I would say our local HS has at least 15 kids on full rides at Bama. ISU doesn't even cross their minds unless they want to be close to home.

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Expectations seem to be greater today. I do like the look of the Bone Student Center makeover that’s underway. I thought it looked just okay back in the 80s, and it’s finally getting a refresh. The fitness center is awesome. ISU is definitely making some changes that make the campus more appealing. Money is scarce. Those kind of upgrades cost big money. I’m not criticizing ISU for not building all new dorms. Just reconciling the fact that they have a difficult time competing in certain circumstances. ISU measures up well with other schools in their class.

It is amazing how out of state schools like those you mention are poaching many of the best students from Illinois by offering financial incentives. Illinois school’s are stingy with merit based financial aid, causing this brain drain, and those kids are unlikely to come back to Illinois after college.

 

[isuquinndog]

I walked into the lobby of Manchester Hewitt recently and I thought I had gone to another world. It doesn't even begin to look like what it did in the late 90's. Not even remotely.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I walked into the lobby of Manchester Hewitt recently and I thought I had gone to another world. It doesn't even begin to look like what it did in the late 90's. Not even remotely.

My daughter’s visit toured Hewitt Manchester. It was okay. But my son’s went thru Watterson. ISU should avoid Watterson for their tours IMO.

SIU’s enrollment has dropped to the point where all students get their own room. Sounds good to prospective students, but I’m guessing SIU isn’t happy about being able to offer that perk.

 

[Hamdonger]

I would just tell your kids that if they don't want to end up like their old man, they need to study harder.

They could do worse. Dean’s list. Retired at 54. Seven figure equities account. I am the American dream.