Vidette - Student Attendance

[SgtHulka]

Money doesn’t grow on trees!

It does in my neighborhood. You should talk to a realtor about moving

I bet! My pocket is $1000 richer this year!

Good for you. Might I suggest some meds you can spend your newfound wealth on?

 

[ricohill]

Or you can send a message that you have had enough of their shortcomings and changes needs to be made. Maybe, just maybe dwindling attendance coupled with a drop in $$$$ will signal to ISU that alums and donors are not happy with the product on the floor and the direction of that product. One can dream...

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That’s exactly right! Why would you continue to donate to something that is declining? At some point you send a message that we are going in the wrong direction. I can go to a game and sit in the lower bowl without handing out a free donation. Money doesn’t grow on trees!

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

 

[gobirds85]

Or you are guaranteeing that Dan will be here for the next five season, which isn't good if you don't think he's doing a good job. The opposite should be happening, if you don't think Dan is doing a good job and donors need to get the money to buy him out.

But what do I know.

Do you think that if I made a donation today and earmarked it for the “buyout Dan contract fund” that $$$ would be used for that cause? I’m not seeing it.

 

[gobirds85]

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That’s exactly right! Why would you continue to donate to something that is declining? At some point you send a message that we are going in the wrong direction. I can go to a game and sit in the lower bowl without handing out a free donation. Money doesn’t grow on trees!

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

This, above all, scares the out of me. ISU doesn’t think Dan is doing a job. What in the hell are they watching?!?!?!

Even if the funding was available to buy him out we wouldnt based on the perception that he is doing a good job. It’s that damn COY and second round NIT run. Can you imagine a CBI championship?? He’d get another extension with a raise. Aim low.

 

[gobirds72]

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That’s exactly right! Why would you continue to donate to something that is declining? At some point you send a message that we are going in the wrong direction. I can go to a game and sit in the lower bowl without handing out a free donation. Money doesn’t grow on trees!

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

It will...just takes time. We went through this with Richardson, Moser and now Muller. They will be fine with everything once the move is made. Change is never easy...and we have a few years to go. The sad thing is the basketball world is changing every year...and we are falling further behind. At some point we will be competing with IWU.

 

[ricohill]

That’s exactly right! Why would you continue to donate to something that is declining? At some point you send a message that we are going in the wrong direction. I can go to a game and sit in the lower bowl without handing out a free donation. Money doesn’t grow on trees!

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

This, above all, scares the out of me. ISU doesn’t think Dan is doing a job. What in the hell are they watching?!?!?!

Even if the funding was available to buy him out we wouldnt based on the perception that he is doing a good job. It’s that damn COY and second round NIT run. Can you imagine a CBI championship?? He’d get another extension with a raise. Aim low.

I would be very curious to know what Bowman thinks right now. All the work he and Zenger put in to try to take ISU to a higher level in athletics and now it's all been thrown away.

Dietz is a nice guy, but a winning athletics program (Men's Basketball and Football) doesn't matter as much to him as it did to Bowman. It isn't a priority to him and the University. There is no way he would allow Larry Lyons to stay as the AD if building a top notch athletic department was a priority. Lyons said his top priority is the Indoor facility and hasn't done anything with it in 5 years (there aren't even plans yet). I can't imagine Dietz would let the chair of the business department set a goal, fail, and keep their job. Not to mention attendance for Basketball/Football has dropped off and number of donors are down since Larry took over.

Back on the subject. A big part of the attendance issue is Muller. He's not an engaging personality, the style of play is boring, and most importantly he is not winning. Dan flat out has not done his job. One above average season isn't good enough. In the end winning COY and the MVC (regular season) may turn out to be a bad thing if it means 5 more years of Muller. It's already going to cost ISU millions of dollars if they have to buy him out.

 

[ricohill]

That’s exactly right! Why would you continue to donate to something that is declining? At some point you send a message that we are going in the wrong direction. I can go to a game and sit in the lower bowl without handing out a free donation. Money doesn’t grow on trees!

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

It will...just takes time. We went through this with Richardson, Moser and now Muller. They will be fine with everything once the move is made. Change is never easy...and we have a few years to go. The sad thing is the basketball world is changing every year...and we are falling further behind. At some point we will be competing with IWU.

I fear I will be dead before positive changes are made at ISU.

 

[gobirds72]

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

This, above all, scares the out of me. ISU doesn’t think Dan is doing a job. What in the hell are they watching?!?!?!

Even if the funding was available to buy him out we wouldnt based on the perception that he is doing a good job. It’s that damn COY and second round NIT run. Can you imagine a CBI championship?? He’d get another extension with a raise. Aim low.

I would be very curious to know what Bowman thinks right now. All the work he and Zenger put in to try to take ISU to a higher level in athletics and now it's all been thrown away.

Dietz is a nice guy, but a winning athletics program (Men's Basketball and Football) doesn't matter as much to him as it did to Bowman. It isn't a priority to him and the University. There is no way he would allow Larry Lyons to stay as the AD if building a top notch athletic department was a priority. Lyons said his top priority is the Indoor facility and hasn't done anything with it in 5 years (there aren't even plans yet). I can't imagine Dietz would let the chair of the business department set a goal, fail, and keep their job. Not to mention attendance for Basketball/Football has dropped off and number of donors are down since Larry took over.

Back on the subject. A big part of the attendance issue is Muller. He's not an engaging personality, the style of play is boring, and most importantly he is not winning. Dan flat out has not done his job. One above average season isn't good enough. In the end winning COY and the MVC (regular season) may turn out to be a bad thing if it means 5 more years of Muller. It's already going to cost ISU millions of dollars if they have to buy him out.

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

 

[ricohill]

This, above all, scares the out of me. ISU doesn’t think Dan is doing a job. What in the hell are they watching?!?!?!

Even if the funding was available to buy him out we wouldnt based on the perception that he is doing a good job. It’s that damn COY and second round NIT run. Can you imagine a CBI championship?? He’d get another extension with a raise. Aim low.

I would be very curious to know what Bowman thinks right now. All the work he and Zenger put in to try to take ISU to a higher level in athletics and now it's all been thrown away.

Dietz is a nice guy, but a winning athletics program (Men's Basketball and Football) doesn't matter as much to him as it did to Bowman. It isn't a priority to him and the University. There is no way he would allow Larry Lyons to stay as the AD if building a top notch athletic department was a priority. Lyons said his top priority is the Indoor facility and hasn't done anything with it in 5 years (there aren't even plans yet). I can't imagine Dietz would let the chair of the business department set a goal, fail, and keep their job. Not to mention attendance for Basketball/Football has dropped off and number of donors are down since Larry took over.

Back on the subject. A big part of the attendance issue is Muller. He's not an engaging personality, the style of play is boring, and most importantly he is not winning. Dan flat out has not done his job. One above average season isn't good enough. In the end winning COY and the MVC (regular season) may turn out to be a bad thing if it means 5 more years of Muller. It's already going to cost ISU millions of dollars if they have to buy him out.

To be fair...I am sure Dietz has more on his plate than Basketball! That doesn’t mean he can’t step in...but his primary concern is higher education! However, if Larry can’t do his job than he should be replaced with someone who can!

Agreed, but like the former President at Wichita State said and knew, a great college basketball team will raise the entire profile of the University. At the end of the day, he employs Larry Lyons and Larry hasn't done his job. An easy first step is to fix the AD situation.

 

[SgtHulka]

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That’s exactly right! Why would you continue to donate to something that is declining? At some point you send a message that we are going in the wrong direction. I can go to a game and sit in the lower bowl without handing out a free donation. Money doesn’t grow on trees!

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

Tonight I can report that the state of the union is strong!

Do you honestly believe you were gonna hear otherwise? If he said the least bit of a negative statement he knows you're gonna race to the internet with it. And then it becomes a worse situation than spreading some Jiffy on you and pointing out the good he's done.

Hell, even I don't spill my guts here about how I feel, you think he wants you spilling his guts for him here?

 

[ricohill]

That’s exactly right! Why would you continue to donate to something that is declining? At some point you send a message that we are going in the wrong direction. I can go to a game and sit in the lower bowl without handing out a free donation. Money doesn’t grow on trees!

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

Tonight I can report that the state of the union is strong!

Do you honestly believe you were gonna hear otherwise? If he said the least bit of a negative statement he knows you're gonna race to the internet with it. And then it becomes a worse situation than spreading some Jiffy on you and pointing out the good he's done.

Hell, even I don't spill my guts here about how I feel, you think he wants you spilling his guts for him here?

Fair point. However, I will say that it had less to do with Dietz saying anything negative about ISU athletics, AD, Muller, etc.., but more about where he sets the bar of success. He laid that out what is successful to him and I disagree. I don't want to get into more details, but I don't believe a season can be deemed a success (especially in year 7 of a coaches tenure) and not finish in the NCAA Tournament.

Also, if Dietz is unhappy with the direction of Athletics he has several outlets to express it. He can talk to the Pantagraph, send a note to donors, make a change in AD. He's done none of these things. The Valpo AD just did this yesterday.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

The ISU student attendance/engagement for athletics is real troubling esp from a long term perspective. ISU Athleics seemed to be on the move towards better places five to 10’years ago and now it seems to be regressing or is stagnant at best. It seems as though the day to day operations are the focus with little strategic planning or direction. ISU really does need some leadership (more than JUST Lyons) that will have the same drive and interest as the prior leaders that put ISU Athletics on the move. The leadership needs to engage alumni and boosters with its strategy as alumni/boosters are critical for long term success . That tragic plane crash along with leadership change at ISU seems to have sucked the life out of ISU athletics and unfortunately the university side too. Some seem to think otherwise but the recent slide in ISU’s national academic reputation is a big deal; IMO. I really believe ISU has a respectable foundation and a lot of potential but is in dire need of strong strategic leaders (both board and admin lvels) or the slide will continue
DAMN IT ISU...LETS GO!!!!

 

[cubird]

Yes and the downward trend in state funding in higher ed does not help the academic or athletic environment either.

 

[Bird Friend]

What worries me is even if people send a message does it matter? I know Dietz isn't going to be completely honest, but from his response to my e-mail I think he believes Muller and Lyons are doing well. Very scary if that is true.

This, above all, scares the out of me. ISU doesn’t think Dan is doing a job. What in the hell are they watching?!?!?!

Even if the funding was available to buy him out we wouldnt based on the perception that he is doing a good job. It’s that damn COY and second round NIT run. Can you imagine a CBI championship?? He’d get another extension with a raise. Aim low.

I would be very curious to know what Bowman thinks right now. All the work he and Zenger put in to try to take ISU to a higher level in athletics and now it's all been thrown away.

Dietz is a nice guy, but a winning athletics program (Men's Basketball and Football) doesn't matter as much to him as it did to Bowman. It isn't a priority to him and the University. There is no way he would allow Larry Lyons to stay as the AD if building a top notch athletic department was a priority. Lyons said his top priority is the Indoor facility and hasn't done anything with it in 5 years (there aren't even plans yet). I can't imagine Dietz would let the chair of the business department set a goal, fail, and keep their job. Not to mention attendance for Basketball/Football has dropped off and number of donors are down since Larry took over.

Back on the subject. A big part of the attendance issue is Muller. He's not an engaging personality, the style of play is boring, and most importantly he is not winning. Dan flat out has not done his job. One above average season isn't good enough. In the end winning COY and the MVC (regular season) may turn out to be a bad thing if it means 5 more years of Muller. It's already going to cost ISU millions of dollars if they have to buy him out.

Didn't Bowman hire and then fire Friedman, who did a lot of damage to the department's rep? Didn't Bowman hire Lyons to replace Friedman? I wonder what Bowman was thinking . . .

 

[ricohill]

This, above all, scares the out of me. ISU doesn’t think Dan is doing a job. What in the hell are they watching?!?!?!

Even if the funding was available to buy him out we wouldnt based on the perception that he is doing a good job. It’s that damn COY and second round NIT run. Can you imagine a CBI championship?? He’d get another extension with a raise. Aim low.

I would be very curious to know what Bowman thinks right now. All the work he and Zenger put in to try to take ISU to a higher level in athletics and now it's all been thrown away.

Dietz is a nice guy, but a winning athletics program (Men's Basketball and Football) doesn't matter as much to him as it did to Bowman. It isn't a priority to him and the University. There is no way he would allow Larry Lyons to stay as the AD if building a top notch athletic department was a priority. Lyons said his top priority is the Indoor facility and hasn't done anything with it in 5 years (there aren't even plans yet). I can't imagine Dietz would let the chair of the business department set a goal, fail, and keep their job. Not to mention attendance for Basketball/Football has dropped off and number of donors are down since Larry took over.

Back on the subject. A big part of the attendance issue is Muller. He's not an engaging personality, the style of play is boring, and most importantly he is not winning. Dan flat out has not done his job. One above average season isn't good enough. In the end winning COY and the MVC (regular season) may turn out to be a bad thing if it means 5 more years of Muller. It's already going to cost ISU millions of dollars if they have to buy him out.

Didn't Bowman hire and then fire Friedman, who did a lot of damage to the department's rep? Didn't Bowman hire Lyons to replace Friedman? I wonder what Bowman was thinking . . .

Friedman wasn't fired. He left because it was "the right fit" according to him. I don't know what he did to the departments rep. Maybe you have info on that?

I know he was very aggressive (at times could be an a$$ ) and ruffled some feathers (that probably needed to be ruffled). I always liked Friedman. He was on the same page of moving ISU forward.

 

[Hamdonger]

That reminds me, sorry about leaving the car running last night Humdinger

Humdinger?
Humdinger?!?
HUMDINGER?!?!?

Holy cow did I sleep good last night. For some reason just woke up! REM for almost a day! Wait. Why are my pants soaked in urine and why am I covered in feces?

 

[TIMMY]

OK I just threw up in my mouth. Anyway drop the student ticket prices to where they should be. $0. Then students will show up. See how easy some things are?

 

[Hamdonger]

OK I just threw up in my mouth. Anyway drop the student ticket prices to where they should be. $0. Then students will show up. See how easy some things are?

Sorry Coach.

On topic I'm not necessarily opposed to ZERO charge but feel like in that expression we're treating the symptom and not the problem.

 

[Bird Friend]

I would be very curious to know what Bowman thinks right now. All the work he and Zenger put in to try to take ISU to a higher level in athletics and now it's all been thrown away.

Dietz is a nice guy, but a winning athletics program (Men's Basketball and Football) doesn't matter as much to him as it did to Bowman. It isn't a priority to him and the University. There is no way he would allow Larry Lyons to stay as the AD if building a top notch athletic department was a priority. Lyons said his top priority is the Indoor facility and hasn't done anything with it in 5 years (there aren't even plans yet). I can't imagine Dietz would let the chair of the business department set a goal, fail, and keep their job. Not to mention attendance for Basketball/Football has dropped off and number of donors are down since Larry took over.

Back on the subject. A big part of the attendance issue is Muller. He's not an engaging personality, the style of play is boring, and most importantly he is not winning. Dan flat out has not done his job. One above average season isn't good enough. In the end winning COY and the MVC (regular season) may turn out to be a bad thing if it means 5 more years of Muller. It's already going to cost ISU millions of dollars if they have to buy him out.

Didn't Bowman hire and then fire Friedman, who did a lot of damage to the department's rep? Didn't Bowman hire Lyons to replace Friedman? I wonder what Bowman was thinking . . .

Friedman wasn't fired. He left because it was "the right fit" according to him. I don't know what he did to the departments rep. Maybe you have info on that?

I know he was very aggressive (at times could be an a$$ ) and ruffled some feathers (that probably needed to be ruffled). I always liked Friedman. He was on the same page of moving ISU forward.

Not just at times. And while "technically" he wasn't fired . . . he was fired. And Lyons was put in to calm down the ruffled feathers and be a bridge until Leetch could be take over as the AD . . . Unfortunately, there was a plane crash . . .

 

[ricohill]

Didn't Bowman hire and then fire Friedman, who did a lot of damage to the department's rep? Didn't Bowman hire Lyons to replace Friedman? I wonder what Bowman was thinking . . .

Friedman wasn't fired. He left because it was "the right fit" according to him. I don't know what he did to the departments rep. Maybe you have info on that?

I know he was very aggressive (at times could be an a$$ ) and ruffled some feathers (that probably needed to be ruffled). I always liked Friedman. He was on the same page of moving ISU forward.

Not just at times. And while "technically" he wasn't fired . . . he was fired. And Lyons was put in to calm down the ruffled feathers and be a bridge until Leetch could be take over as the AD . . . Unfortunately, there was a plane crash . . .

Agree with that.

Friedman did hire Muller and Barb Smith so he was 0-2 in coaching hires. Also, Bowman was retiring the same week Friedman resigned and he hired Lyons. It was an odd time for everything. Larry just happened to be around when they needed an AD.