Uni at Illinois State (11/2/19)

[Virginia Redbird]

Different QB! Maybe just a little too late...you think? Offensive genius Spack!

should have made Davis finish the game as punishment

:lol:

Honestly though, why bring a backup QB in for the last drive to hand off a couple of times? What does that do for anyone? It does nothing at all. Coaching incompetence to me. Let Davis finish out his own debacle. Why bring in another guy to do that? Really that is just total BS to me. The game is probably over and your starting QB is stinking up the field. Give your backup a couple of drives to see what he can do? You know what Davis can do at this point.

 

[Redbird15]

just wow ... how we can completely lose our confidence and rhythm to such an extreme is mind blowing. This is same nonsense that happened last year in Q2.

Coaches need to look hard at themselves .. they are the common denominator. Time to find a young up and comer OC with new ideas and let him recruit and develop the QB and let him RUN THE OFFENSE !!!!!!!

This is on Spack .. he is the common denominator. In MVFC, we will not do better than 4-4 most years with our offensive philosophy. Good defense and run game is not enough to win against top tier teams any more. We need to learn to throw the ball with more confidence. It is very hard to watch the collective funk we get in offensively because we are afraid to pass. Today's game is played in space .. you need a good run game and a good pass game to win in the MVFC and playoffs.

Totally agree ! No wrinkles in offense what so ever to predictable. Spack needs to get new OC or throw the present one overboard. Yes the team must have a basic solid offensive plan its ridiculous to stick to a set game plan if its not working. Proctor was moving the ball..then u go back to robinson ? A few plays to TE was great to see. ISU needs a creative OC ! We always hear they don't have this person etc. Well create plays that will work with the players you have. If you have #2 players that are better at screens, flys, post, hooks, jet sweeps etc. Utilize them for that only ! All passing plays are short control passing routes. Throw deep sometimes. Rather see a deep ball int than a short pass int. If you can't trust your QB with short passing routes why is he starting ?

 

[V Boy]

Said it before. Say it again. Spack is Roberson away from basicslly doing nothing in like 12 years I think.

There is no excuse not to get some decent QBs into ISU.

 

[jnolan52]

Same thing every year. I am over ISU football!!

 

[Redbird15]

Davis is one of the worst QBs in all of FCS, no doubt! Let Baltz finish the season.

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If Baltz was label as a Pro Style QB use him because Davis is not. If Davis is coming back next year he should make a good clip board holder. I they feel Baltz is not ready why not use Jefferson... rumor he is a great running QB ok passer. Well when a QB can run that makes him dual threat and makes his passing better. Jefferson can't do no worse than Davis !

 

[fourthandshort]

Different QB! Maybe just a little too late...you think? Offensive genius Spack!

I doubt true FR Baltz is anywhere near ready .. physically or mentally. Whatever happened to the true dual threat RS FR Bryce Jefferson .. they were high on him, weren't they ? Is he moving to Safety next and then transfer like Broadnax ? Recall how they started Boradnax at QB in game 10 at SDSU in 2017, and Kolbe started in game 11. Next spring thery announce Broadnax is moving to Safety ... he starts one game and you move hi to Safety ?? We had no one else close to ready ?? How do your recruit a QB, develop him for 2 years, start him in one game, then move him to defense .. then he transfers. Just like this season ??

Go back in time ... how many guys have they brought in from HS and they were high on that never worked out. This is year 11 ... Spack has never had one of his HS QB recruits workout ... not one, Kolbe was by far his strongest HS recruit and he had a very promising RS SO year in 2016, but deteriorated his next 2 years and benched him for Davis, even though he outplayed Davis in August.

At some point, you have to look at the common denominator. And it might not be fair to OC Beathard ... but this is Spacks offense not Beathards IMO. Spack is afraid to let his QB play. IMO, we will always struggle to recruit and develop HS QBs with Spacks philosphy at the QB position .. they play scared to make mistakes .. big difference between that and playing smart.

I like Spack as our Head Coach and the influence he has on defense. He needs to hire a new OC and let them be in charge, period.

 

[redbirds2000]

Said it before. Say it again. Spack is Roberson away from basicslly doing nothing in like 12 years I think.

There is no excuse not to get some decent QBs into ISU.

Good point about Roberson. Those are average years without him. Coprich gets stuffed without the Roberson run threat.

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[Virginia Redbird]

I see some calling for a new OC but let's be honest. This is Spack's style of football. Tough D and run the ball. If you have an interception on the rare occasions you throw you go into a shell and run into an 8 man line over and over. I posted in the preseason that this staff just can't seem to recruit a young QB out of high school and develop them. Recruit Broadnax and he moves to defensive back then off the team. Recruit Hatfield and he moves to running back and then defensive back. How about recruiting a QB to play QB? I know...that is pretty radical thinking.
My guess is the ISU athletic department is fine with winning seasons whether there is a playoff appearance or not. I think Spack and this style of offensive play will be in Normal for a long time. Spack has done a great job at ISU but it is getting stagnant and is achieving mediocrity. Kind of like when the Bears fired Lovie and some were screaming he was fired after a 10-6 season. Do you want to win championships or do you want to be just above average and mediocre?
Let's see what the next three games bring but maybe it is time to consider a change in leadership. Maybe it is just stagnant at this point. Everyone is just frustrated today after watching that debacle I guess.

 

[Redbirds100]

Atleast I am eating at Avantis now, that was horrible!!!
Forget the playoffs, Baltz at SDSU....

 

[Virginia Redbird]

Different QB! Maybe just a little too late...you think? Offensive genius Spack!

I doubt true FR Baltz is anywhere near ready .. physically or mentally. Whatever happened to the true dual threat RS FR Bryce Jefferson .. they were high on him, weren't they ? Is he moving to Safety next and then transfer like Broadnax ? Recall how they started Boradnax at QB in game 10 at SDSU in 2017, and Kolbe started in game 11. Next spring thery announce Broadnax is moving to Safety ... he starts one game and you move hi to Safety ?? We had no one else close to ready ?? How do your recruit a QB, develop him for 2 years, start him in one game, then move him to defense .. then he transfers. Just like this season ??

Go back in time ... how many guys have they brought in from HS and they were high on that never worked out. This is year 11 ... Spack has never had one of his HS QB recruits workout ... not one, Kolbe was by far his strongest HS recruit and he had a very promising RS SO year in 2016, but deteriorated his next 2 years and benched him for Davis, even though he outplayed Davis in August.

At some point, you have to look at the common denominator. And it might not be fair to OC Beathard ... but this is Spacks offense not Beathards IMO. Spack is afraid to let his QB play. IMO, we will always struggle to recruit and develop HS QBs with Spacks philosphy at the QB position .. they play scared to make mistakes .. big difference between that and playing smart.

I like Spack as our Head Coach and the influence he has on defense. He needs to hire a new OC and let them be in charge, period.

The only thing I disagree with is the Head Coach sets the tone regardless of assistants. You can bring in another OC but Spack is the head man and I just don't see him being able to exist in an offensive philosophy that is not Woody Hayes reincarnated. Recruiting efforts seem to be focused on defense, big ass O-linemen, and running backs.
Also, last year I was in the Kolbe camp. Not saying he was great but I never saw the big difference between Kolbe and Davis. They love something about Davis but not many of us see what the hell that is.
Time for a bourbon (or two...maybe three) and a cigar. Put this game out of memory.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

Atleast I am eating at Avantis now, that was horrible!!!
Forget the playoffs, Baltz at SDSU....

Oh hell...this is not fair at all. I am sitting here in SE Virginia and you have to go and mention you are eating at Avanti's!!! Damn you the hell anyway! :lol:

 

[Chi-bird]

I see some calling for a new OC but let's be honest. This is Spack's style of football. Tough D and run the ball. If you have an interception on the rare occasions you throw you go into a shell and run into an 8 man line over and over. I posted in the preseason that this staff just can't seem to recruit a young QB out of high school and develop them. Recruit Broadnax and he moves to defensive back then off the team. Recruit Hatfield and he moves to running back and then defensive back. How about recruiting a QB to play QB? I know...that is pretty radical thinking.
My guess is the ISU athletic department is fine with winning seasons whether there is a playoff appearance or not. I think Spack and this style of offensive play will be in Normal for a long time. Spack has done a great job at ISU but it is getting stagnant and is achieving mediocrity. Kind of like when the Bears fired Lovie and some were screaming he was fired after a 10-6 season. Do you want to win championships or do you want to be just above average and mediocre?
Let's see what the next three games bring but maybe it is time to consider a change in leadership. Maybe it is just stagnant at this point. Everyone is just frustrated today after watching that debacle I guess.

I agree but the challenge is that today's kids do not want to sit or be a back up. Every QB coming out of high school thinks they deserve to start somewhere, and if they lose their starting job (even as an underclassman), they would rather transfer than compete. Coaches have a very difficult challenge in not recruiting too many qbs, while recruiting enough. Even at the highest level, Clemson's starter last year got injured in week 4 and then announced he'd be tranferring. Georgia's stud didn't want to compete vs Fields and heads to Ohio State. Va Tech, Michigan, Okalhoma, it goes on and on. The movement at the QB position from school to school is insane.

As much as it has become part of the trend, I still don't know why we cannot recruit and develop. NDSU is a prime example of an excellent program that recruits, develops, and retains its talent...they've had future NFL QBs wait and hold a clipboard for a season or two while the upperclassman finishes. I'm perplexed as to why we can't develop QBs, but there's a chance an infoor facility might have a little something to do with it. As far as Davis goes, I'm not sure how much of this is on him vs on the coaches. I mean, I think I could schemed against this offense. Our receivers are little, slow, and don't get open very well. Our play calling is o-so predictable and uninspiring. I have to think our play calling is a direct result of the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. It's not that Davis is bad....it's just that the other team's quarterbacks all seem to be better. I'd like to see a change under center, coupled with opening it up a bit.

 

[Chi-bird]

I see some calling for a new OC but let's be honest. This is Spack's style of football. Tough D and run the ball. If you have an interception on the rare occasions you throw you go into a shell and run into an 8 man line over and over. I posted in the preseason that this staff just can't seem to recruit a young QB out of high school and develop them. Recruit Broadnax and he moves to defensive back then off the team. Recruit Hatfield and he moves to running back and then defensive back. How about recruiting a QB to play QB? I know...that is pretty radical thinking.
My guess is the ISU athletic department is fine with winning seasons whether there is a playoff appearance or not. I think Spack and this style of offensive play will be in Normal for a long time. Spack has done a great job at ISU but it is getting stagnant and is achieving mediocrity. Kind of like when the Bears fired Lovie and some were screaming he was fired after a 10-6 season. Do you want to win championships or do you want to be just above average and mediocre?
Let's see what the next three games bring but maybe it is time to consider a change in leadership. Maybe it is just stagnant at this point. Everyone is just frustrated today after watching that debacle I guess.

I agree but the challenge is that today's kids do not want to sit or be a back up. Every QB coming out of high school thinks they deserve to start somewhere, and if they lose their starting job (even as an underclassman), they would rather transfer than compete. Coaches have a very difficult challenge in not recruiting too many qbs, while recruiting enough. Even at the highest level, Clemson's starter last year got injured in week 4 and then announced he'd be tranferring. Georgia's stud didn't want to compete vs Fields and heads to Ohio State. Va Tech, Michigan, Okalhoma, it goes on and on. The movement at the QB position from school to school is insane.

As much as it has become part of the trend, I still don't know why we cannot recruit and develop. NDSU is a prime example of an excellent program that recruits, develops, and retains its talent...they've had future NFL QBs wait and hold a clipboard for a season or two while the upperclassman finishes. I'm perplexed as to why we can't develop QBs, but there's a chance an infoor facility might have a little something to do with it. As far as Davis goes, I'm not sure how much of this is on him vs on the coaches. I mean, I think I could schemed against this offense. Our receivers are little, slow, and don't get open very well. Our play calling is o-so predictable and uninspiring. I have to think our play calling is a direct result of the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. It's not that Davis is bad....it's just that the other team's quarterbacks all seem to be better. I'd like to see a change under center, coupled with opening it up a bit.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

I see some calling for a new OC but let's be honest. This is Spack's style of football. Tough D and run the ball. If you have an interception on the rare occasions you throw you go into a shell and run into an 8 man line over and over. I posted in the preseason that this staff just can't seem to recruit a young QB out of high school and develop them. Recruit Broadnax and he moves to defensive back then off the team. Recruit Hatfield and he moves to running back and then defensive back. How about recruiting a QB to play QB? I know...that is pretty radical thinking.
My guess is the ISU athletic department is fine with winning seasons whether there is a playoff appearance or not. I think Spack and this style of offensive play will be in Normal for a long time. Spack has done a great job at ISU but it is getting stagnant and is achieving mediocrity. Kind of like when the Bears fired Lovie and some were screaming he was fired after a 10-6 season. Do you want to win championships or do you want to be just above average and mediocre?
Let's see what the next three games bring but maybe it is time to consider a change in leadership. Maybe it is just stagnant at this point. Everyone is just frustrated today after watching that debacle I guess.

I agree but the challenge is that today's kids do not want to sit or be a back up. Every QB coming out of high school thinks they deserve to start somewhere, and if they lose their starting job (even as an underclassman), they would rather transfer than compete. Coaches have a very difficult challenge in not recruiting too many qbs, while recruiting enough. Even at the highest level, Clemson's starter last year got injured in week 4 and then announced he'd be tranferring. Georgia's stud didn't want to compete vs Fields and heads to Ohio State. Va Tech, Michigan, Okalhoma, it goes on and on. The movement at the QB position from school to school is insane.

As much as it has become part of the trend, I still don't know why we cannot recruit and develop. NDSU is a prime example of an excellent program that recruits, develops, and retains its talent...they've had future NFL QBs wait and hold a clipboard for a season or two while the upperclassman finishes. I'm perplexed as to why we can't develop QBs, but there's a chance an infoor facility might have a little something to do with it. As far as Davis goes, I'm not sure how much of this is on him vs on the coaches. I mean, I think I could schemed against this offense. Our receivers are little, slow, and don't get open very well. Our play calling is o-so predictable and uninspiring. I have to think our play calling is a direct result of the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. It's not that Davis is bad....it's just that the other team's quarterbacks all seem to be better. I'd like to see a change under center, coupled with opening it up a bit.

Chi, the thing I would not agree with you on is that Davis is not that good. He makes bad decisions, does not have the arm strength to throw the long ball and is not consistently accurate. The comments you make about the coaching staff, game planning and play calling...we are totally on the same page.
I am beginning to think they recruit QBs with a different position in mind. Spack likes to move players to different positions from what they played in HS and he has had some success. QB to DB seems recently (Broadnax and Hatfield). Broadnax starts a game and is benched and moved to defense. Hatfield takes a move to running back and then to defense. Where will Baltz and Morris end up...tandem safties? Cant have enough DBs!

 

[Chi-bird]

I see some calling for a new OC but let's be honest. This is Spack's style of football. Tough D and run the ball. If you have an interception on the rare occasions you throw you go into a shell and run into an 8 man line over and over. I posted in the preseason that this staff just can't seem to recruit a young QB out of high school and develop them. Recruit Broadnax and he moves to defensive back then off the team. Recruit Hatfield and he moves to running back and then defensive back. How about recruiting a QB to play QB? I know...that is pretty radical thinking.
My guess is the ISU athletic department is fine with winning seasons whether there is a playoff appearance or not. I think Spack and this style of offensive play will be in Normal for a long time. Spack has done a great job at ISU but it is getting stagnant and is achieving mediocrity. Kind of like when the Bears fired Lovie and some were screaming he was fired after a 10-6 season. Do you want to win championships or do you want to be just above average and mediocre?
Let's see what the next three games bring but maybe it is time to consider a change in leadership. Maybe it is just stagnant at this point. Everyone is just frustrated today after watching that debacle I guess.

I agree but the challenge is that today's kids do not want to sit or be a back up. Every QB coming out of high school thinks they deserve to start somewhere, and if they lose their starting job (even as an underclassman), they would rather transfer than compete. Coaches have a very difficult challenge in not recruiting too many qbs, while recruiting enough. Even at the highest level, Clemson's starter last year got injured in week 4 and then announced he'd be tranferring. Georgia's stud didn't want to compete vs Fields and heads to Ohio State. Va Tech, Michigan, Okalhoma, it goes on and on. The movement at the QB position from school to school is insane.

As much as it has become part of the trend, I still don't know why we cannot recruit and develop. NDSU is a prime example of an excellent program that recruits, develops, and retains its talent...they've had future NFL QBs wait and hold a clipboard for a season or two while the upperclassman finishes. I'm perplexed as to why we can't develop QBs, but there's a chance an infoor facility might have a little something to do with it. As far as Davis goes, I'm not sure how much of this is on him vs on the coaches. I mean, I think I could schemed against this offense. Our receivers are little, slow, and don't get open very well. Our play calling is o-so predictable and uninspiring. I have to think our play calling is a direct result of the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. It's not that Davis is bad....it's just that the other team's quarterbacks all seem to be better. I'd like to see a change under center, coupled with opening it up a bit.

Chi, the thing I would not agree with you on is that Davis is not that good. He makes bad decisions, does not have the arm strength to throw the long ball and is not consistently accurate. The comments you make about the coaching staff, game planning and play calling...we are totally on the same page.
I am beginning to think they recruit QBs with a different position in mind. Spack likes to move players to different positions from what they played in HS and he has had some success. QB to DB seems recently (Broadnax and Hatfield). Broadnax starts a game and is benched and moved to defense. Hatfield takes a move to running back and then to defense. Where will Baltz and Morris end up...tandem safties? Cant have enough DBs!

I never said he was that good. I just don't think he's bad. He's an average, inconsistent, streaky quarterback who can make plays, but has far too many negative plays.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

I agree but the challenge is that today's kids do not want to sit or be a back up. Every QB coming out of high school thinks they deserve to start somewhere, and if they lose their starting job (even as an underclassman), they would rather transfer than compete. Coaches have a very difficult challenge in not recruiting too many qbs, while recruiting enough. Even at the highest level, Clemson's starter last year got injured in week 4 and then announced he'd be tranferring. Georgia's stud didn't want to compete vs Fields and heads to Ohio State. Va Tech, Michigan, Okalhoma, it goes on and on. The movement at the QB position from school to school is insane.

As much as it has become part of the trend, I still don't know why we cannot recruit and develop. NDSU is a prime example of an excellent program that recruits, develops, and retains its talent...they've had future NFL QBs wait and hold a clipboard for a season or two while the upperclassman finishes. I'm perplexed as to why we can't develop QBs, but there's a chance an infoor facility might have a little something to do with it. As far as Davis goes, I'm not sure how much of this is on him vs on the coaches. I mean, I think I could schemed against this offense. Our receivers are little, slow, and don't get open very well. Our play calling is o-so predictable and uninspiring. I have to think our play calling is a direct result of the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. It's not that Davis is bad....it's just that the other team's quarterbacks all seem to be better. I'd like to see a change under center, coupled with opening it up a bit.

Chi, the thing I would not agree with you on is that Davis is not that good. He makes bad decisions, does not have the arm strength to throw the long ball and is not consistently accurate. The comments you make about the coaching staff, game planning and play calling...we are totally on the same page.
I am beginning to think they recruit QBs with a different position in mind. Spack likes to move players to different positions from what they played in HS and he has had some success. QB to DB seems recently (Broadnax and Hatfield). Broadnax starts a game and is benched and moved to defense. Hatfield takes a move to running back and then to defense. Where will Baltz and Morris end up...tandem safties? Cant have enough DBs!

I never said he was that good. I just don't think he's bad. He's an average, inconsistent, streaky quarterback who can make plays, but has far too many negative plays.

Seems we are essentially on the same page after all!

 

[TreRoberson4Heisman]

The birds were smoked in all 3 phases. The #1 defense did NOT get to the UNI QB at all today. Where is the creativity and innovation with the offense? Running halfback dives, and WR’s only running in/out routes is as cookie cutter as it gets. Does this staff not steal plays for the playbook watching other CFB games???

 

[TreRoberson4Heisman]

The first 2 or 3 punts of the game by UNI, number 9 on ISU neglected to catch the ball costing ISU roughly 10-20 yards field position each punt on bounces. They were catchable Like judging a fly ball... not wave the hands away, rolling punts.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Same thing every year. I am over ISU football!!

I was pretty much done last season when he started Davis over Jake. As far as I’m concerned it ruined the chemistry of the team, AND I don’t think Davis was better than Jake.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Who even cares. This is ISU sports across the board.
Always overrated, always full of Kool aid drinking fans thinking we’re somebody we’re not, always falling short, always shitting the bed in critical games. Always average.