Poll for Muller

[Trey_Guidry4three]

You are correct on Timmy! I was at the game last night. About as brutal a game as I've ever sat through. It was like a car wreck in slow motion. But. And you can't get around it. So I'll say it for the umpteenth time. 2024.
How do you get around it Rico? And not some plan that'll never happen like make Dan the AD. You putting your $$$$ up to buy Dan out? Neither am I. I've got a lot of better things to do with my money. Until that question is answered with some cash it's moot!

Congrats for going to a game....since you are an ISU fan. I was there as well. It was like every other god awful Dan Muller game.

The poll is “should Dan muller be fired”...not will he.

If ISU can’t find the $2 million then everyone associated with giving him the contract should be fired. It’s simple, you can’t allow losers to be rewarded by keeping their jobs.

Tough call out coming from the only poster here to claim he was boycotting games until Dan was gone.

BTW I voted not to fire him. Not because of what I believe but because my vote in a silly poll has no bearing on anything.

Then why would you vote or admit that you voted ??

 

[SgtHulka]

Congrats for going to a game....since you are an ISU fan. I was there as well. It was like every other god awful Dan Muller game.

The poll is “should Dan muller be fired”...not will he.

If ISU can’t find the $2 million then everyone associated with giving him the contract should be fired. It’s simple, you can’t allow losers to be rewarded by keeping their jobs.

Tough call out coming from the only poster here to claim he was boycotting games until Dan was gone.

BTW I voted not to fire him. Not because of what I believe but because my vote in a silly poll has no bearing on anything.

Then why would you vote or admit that you voted ??

Because I can. Besides. You think that's my opinion anyway. So to sum it up
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mf3Bypyk8

 

[gobirds85]

I vote no.
I just wish the players would do their dang jobs. He prepared them by instructing them what to do. But they all fail to perform up to expectations. They in reality, are the ones that should be fired.

Think of this as a business. I'm sure he's instructing them in practice to rotate to the open guy slow so the opponent can shoot an open 3. Or better telegraph your pass to a guy who's double teamed so they can easily get a fastbreak and dunk and don't forget to foul him so he can get a free throw. Don't go straight up, jump into him as he shoots so if he misses at least we give him the opportunity to shoot free throws. He's not allowed to fire these guys mid season when they screw up, or jack up 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock or don't defend as instructed because they are likely too stupid. Remember we likely lowered our education requirements to get them in. Best is he can bench them, then we complain that he benched them, but they are stupid idiots for not doing their jobs as instructed right? But ultimately we are grading him on his employees failures and successes. And yes he did recruit them, but then we complain when he lets them know they'd fit better elsewhere (we complain about turn over constantly) That's him terminating their employment. And these players are employees, they aren't student athletes anymore. Only if your sport does not charge for admission and you are not on scholarship, can you be a student athlete, otherwise it's a business, because money is involved.

Also business ain't bad in Normal, I looked yesterday and there were not many seats open for sale in the lower bowl, and they weren't exactly giving them away on the secondary market either (I'm a seat snob, I don't like the distance in the upper bowl). Now people may not have shown up, but I don't care if you show up or not, I've already got your money, and really the food stand sales don't move the needle. We will just not let the swim team spend the night before a meet at a hotel, they will have to get up at 3 am and ride the bus for that swim meet that day.

Until business is effected there's no reason to fire the guy. You say well no one wants to come here, and then ticket sales will fall off. Always kids who are looking to continue playing basketball and for free college tuition, so plenty of employees available. Ticket sales won't fall for for another 2/3 years down the road, until they have to lower prices of tickets or they have lots of lower bowl seats outside the student section unsold, give me a viable business reason as to change, because we are making a steady profit here, enough to support all the other non-revenue sports, and don't tell me that they will ever lower student fees, because that's like a government entity lowering taxes.

How do you account for these results after 8 years? I understand your point about the employees being held accountable but after 8 years you might want to look at management as the problem since that has been the only constant. As a business owner myself, if I had a manager who underperformed for 8 years he/she would not be in that position for that amount of time. The buck has to stop somewhere.

 

[Trey_Guidry4three]

Tough call out coming from the only poster here to claim he was boycotting games until Dan was gone.

BTW I voted not to fire him. Not because of what I believe but because my vote in a silly poll has no bearing on anything.

Then why would you vote or admit that you voted ??

Because I can. Besides. You think that's my opinion anyway. So to sum it up
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mf3Bypyk8

Another weird deflection post... :clap:

 

[ricohill]

Then why would you vote or admit that you voted ??

Because I can. Besides. You think that's my opinion anyway. So to sum it up
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mf3Bypyk8

Another weird deflection post... :clap:

Don’t take the bait. He’s just trying to get someone to make an attack so quinn will shut the thread down. Timmy and Hulka want someone to make it personal to protect Larry and Dan.

 

[ricohill]

If ISU is serious about athletics, Muller and Lyons are gone at the end of the season.

The fact that Larry is still AD tells you all you need to know about how serious the university is about athletics. It’s a shame, because the potential at this university is incredible.

Agree. This is all on Lyons. Without the contract extension the problem is solved at the end of the season. Muller is fired and the program gets better with a new coach

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

I’d love to publicly attack Larry and Muller and embarrass them, but you know, they do enough to embarrass themselves already

 

[DWRedbird]

I’d love to publicly attack Larry and Muller and embarrass them, but you know, they do enough to embarrass themselves already

You have plenty of opportunities to attack them publicly, since you don't I feel like that means you may be a little scared to do it and like hiding behind your keyboard.

Don’t take the bait. He’s just trying to get someone to make an attack so quinn will shut the thread down. Timmy and Hulka want someone to make it personal to protect Larry and Dan.

I don't think either of them are trying to do that, despite your weird conspiracy theory.


For what it's worth, do I think he should be fired? Yes, we are regressing yearly. Will he get fired, no, not likely, making this whole asinine thread moot.

 

[redbird Recon]

I voted yes. But I'm ok with giving him another year to show legitimate progress.

I think he could turn it around. I like the new coaches and recruits.

 

[chuckie1980]

No.

 

[Trey_Guidry4three]

I voted yes. But I'm ok with giving him another year to show legitimate progress.

I think he could turn it around. I like the new coaches and recruits.

You do? Wow...

 

[Redbird60451]

I vote no.
I just wish the players would do their dang jobs. He prepared them by instructing them what to do. But they all fail to perform up to expectations. They in reality, are the ones that should be fired.

Think of this as a business. I'm sure he's instructing them in practice to rotate to the open guy slow so the opponent can shoot an open 3. Or better telegraph your pass to a guy who's double teamed so they can easily get a fastbreak and dunk and don't forget to foul him so he can get a free throw. Don't go straight up, jump into him as he shoots so if he misses at least we give him the opportunity to shoot free throws. He's not allowed to fire these guys mid season when they screw up, or jack up 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock or don't defend as instructed because they are likely too stupid. Remember we likely lowered our education requirements to get them in. Best is he can bench them, then we complain that he benched them, but they are stupid idiots for not doing their jobs as instructed right? But ultimately we are grading him on his employees failures and successes. And yes he did recruit them, but then we complain when he lets them know they'd fit better elsewhere (we complain about turn over constantly) That's him terminating their employment. And these players are employees, they aren't student athletes anymore. Only if your sport does not charge for admission and you are not on scholarship, can you be a student athlete, otherwise it's a business, because money is involved.

Also business ain't bad in Normal, I looked yesterday and there were not many seats open for sale in the lower bowl, and they weren't exactly giving them away on the secondary market either (I'm a seat snob, I don't like the distance in the upper bowl). Now people may not have shown up, but I don't care if you show up or not, I've already got your money, and really the food stand sales don't move the needle. We will just not let the swim team spend the night before a meet at a hotel, they will have to get up at 3 am and ride the bus for that swim meet that day.

Until business is effected there's no reason to fire the guy. You say well no one wants to come here, and then ticket sales will fall off. Always kids who are looking to continue playing basketball and for free college tuition, so plenty of employees available. Ticket sales won't fall for for another 2/3 years down the road, until they have to lower prices of tickets or they have lots of lower bowl seats outside the student section unsold, give me a viable business reason as to change, because we are making a steady profit here, enough to support all the other non-revenue sports, and don't tell me that they will ever lower student fees, because that's like a government entity lowering taxes.

How do you account for these results after 8 years? I understand your point about the employees being held accountable but after 8 years you might want to look at management as the problem since that has been the only constant. As a business owner myself, if I had a manager who underperformed for 8 years he/she would not be in that position for that amount of time. The buck has to stop somewhere.

I've been in the work world for over 20 years now, I've seen many mediocre managers keep their jobs for an ungodly amount of time (I work in employee relations in a company of 25K people, so I am part of the red tape that keeps people like that from being immediately fired). Also what is your measuring tool for under performing for since his date of hire 8 years ago? Is your only measurement tool not getting to the NCAA Tourney? Is it only the one League Championship? Is it record only? Is it over-hyped High School players not achieving our perceived potential? Is is purely record? Is it graduation rates? Is it assistants getting better jobs because of achievement here? You have to go through every player that has been in the program and every game, not just pick and choose the pieces of your argument for termination at this point in time. And also point out where he did good and bad, and then put him on a performance plan to get better prior to termination. We are lucky that he has a contract, so when that runs out you can just not renew, but to terminate, you'd have to go over every factor.

We are all over-emotional on what basically accounts for a rebuilding year in most sports. Not being in a big conference and getting one and done players that will make $ in the NBA, we are going to have a year or two like this. There's 5 Freshman/RS Freshman, so that's 33% of the team. Next year you add 3 more. So that's going to be potentially 8 soph/freshman out of like 14 players. This in baseball terms is a rebuilding year. The guy has one under .500 year in conference (two at the end of this year), and has never finished under .500 (total record) in his under performing 8 years (first time will be this year). Only once have we played on Thursday (adding this year it will be twice) under this guy. We talk like we are multi bid league and we should be 30-0 every year and undefeated in conference. This is a one bid league, but normally our one bid is really good. So who ever walks out on top on Sunday is one to watch for. We just have $hit our pants on Sunday many times over more than 8 years. It hasn't been just Dan.

It's always going to be NCAA or bust, but realistically an arbitrator is going to find your under performance argument hard to swallow.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

I vote no.
I just wish the players would do their dang jobs. He prepared them by instructing them what to do. But they all fail to perform up to expectations. They in reality, are the ones that should be fired.

Think of this as a business. I'm sure he's instructing them in practice to rotate to the open guy slow so the opponent can shoot an open 3. Or better telegraph your pass to a guy who's double teamed so they can easily get a fastbreak and dunk and don't forget to foul him so he can get a free throw. Don't go straight up, jump into him as he shoots so if he misses at least we give him the opportunity to shoot free throws. He's not allowed to fire these guys mid season when they screw up, or jack up 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock or don't defend as instructed because they are likely too stupid. Remember we likely lowered our education requirements to get them in. Best is he can bench them, then we complain that he benched them, but they are stupid idiots for not doing their jobs as instructed right? But ultimately we are grading him on his employees failures and successes. And yes he did recruit them, but then we complain when he lets them know they'd fit better elsewhere (we complain about turn over constantly) That's him terminating their employment. And these players are employees, they aren't student athletes anymore. Only if your sport does not charge for admission and you are not on scholarship, can you be a student athlete, otherwise it's a business, because money is involved.

Also business ain't bad in Normal, I looked yesterday and there were not many seats open for sale in the lower bowl, and they weren't exactly giving them away on the secondary market either (I'm a seat snob, I don't like the distance in the upper bowl). Now people may not have shown up, but I don't care if you show up or not, I've already got your money, and really the food stand sales don't move the needle. We will just not let the swim team spend the night before a meet at a hotel, they will have to get up at 3 am and ride the bus for that swim meet that day.

Until business is effected there's no reason to fire the guy. You say well no one wants to come here, and then ticket sales will fall off. Always kids who are looking to continue playing basketball and for free college tuition, so plenty of employees available. Ticket sales won't fall for for another 2/3 years down the road, until they have to lower prices of tickets or they have lots of lower bowl seats outside the student section unsold, give me a viable business reason as to change, because we are making a steady profit here, enough to support all the other non-revenue sports, and don't tell me that they will ever lower student fees, because that's like a government entity lowering taxes.

How do you account for these results after 8 years? I understand your point about the employees being held accountable but after 8 years you might want to look at management as the problem since that has been the only constant. As a business owner myself, if I had a manager who underperformed for 8 years he/she would not be in that position for that amount of time. The buck has to stop somewhere.

I've been in the work world for over 20 years now, I've seen many mediocre managers keep their jobs for an ungodly amount of time (I work in employee relations in a company of 25K people, so I am part of the red tape that keeps people like that from being immediately fired). Also what is your measuring tool for under performing for since his date of hire 8 years ago? Is your only measurement tool not getting to the NCAA Tourney? Is it only the one League Championship? Is it record only? Is it over-hyped High School players not achieving our perceived potential? Is is purely record? Is it graduation rates? Is it assistants getting better jobs because of achievement here? You have to go through every player that has been in the program and every game, not just pick and choose the pieces of your argument for termination at this point in time. And also point out where he did good and bad, and then put him on a performance plan to get better prior to termination. We are lucky that he has a contract, so when that runs out you can just not renew, but to terminate, you'd have to go over every factor.

We are all over-emotional on what basically accounts for a rebuilding year in most sports. Not being in a big conference and getting one and done players that will make $ in the NBA, we are going to have a year or two like this. There's 5 Freshman/RS Freshman, so that's 33% of the team. Next year you add 3 more. So that's going to be potentially 8 soph/freshman out of like 14 players. This in baseball terms is a rebuilding year. The guy has one under .500 year in conference (two at the end of this year), and has never finished under .500 (total record) in his under performing 8 years (first time will be this year). Only once have we played on Thursday (adding this year it will be twice) under this guy. We talk like we are multi bid league and we should be 30-0 every year and undefeated in conference. This is a one bid league, but normally our one bid is really good. So who ever walks out on top on Sunday is one to watch for. We just have $hit our pants on Sunday many times over more than 8 years. It hasn't been just Dan.

It's always going to be NCAA or bust, but realistically an arbitrator is going to find your under performance argument hard to swallow.

Are you Muller? Or his agent?? My lord, wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[ricohill]

How do you account for these results after 8 years? I understand your point about the employees being held accountable but after 8 years you might want to look at management as the problem since that has been the only constant. As a business owner myself, if I had a manager who underperformed for 8 years he/she would not be in that position for that amount of time. The buck has to stop somewhere.

I've been in the work world for over 20 years now, I've seen many mediocre managers keep their jobs for an ungodly amount of time (I work in employee relations in a company of 25K people, so I am part of the red tape that keeps people like that from being immediately fired). Also what is your measuring tool for under performing for since his date of hire 8 years ago? Is your only measurement tool not getting to the NCAA Tourney? Is it only the one League Championship? Is it record only? Is it over-hyped High School players not achieving our perceived potential? Is is purely record? Is it graduation rates? Is it assistants getting better jobs because of achievement here? You have to go through every player that has been in the program and every game, not just pick and choose the pieces of your argument for termination at this point in time. And also point out where he did good and bad, and then put him on a performance plan to get better prior to termination. We are lucky that he has a contract, so when that runs out you can just not renew, but to terminate, you'd have to go over every factor.

We are all over-emotional on what basically accounts for a rebuilding year in most sports. Not being in a big conference and getting one and done players that will make $ in the NBA, we are going to have a year or two like this. There's 5 Freshman/RS Freshman, so that's 33% of the team. Next year you add 3 more. So that's going to be potentially 8 soph/freshman out of like 14 players. This in baseball terms is a rebuilding year. The guy has one under .500 year in conference (two at the end of this year), and has never finished under .500 (total record) in his under performing 8 years (first time will be this year). Only once have we played on Thursday (adding this year it will be twice) under this guy. We talk like we are multi bid league and we should be 30-0 every year and undefeated in conference. This is a one bid league, but normally our one bid is really good. So who ever walks out on top on Sunday is one to watch for. We just have $hit our pants on Sunday many times over more than 8 years. It hasn't been just Dan.

It's always going to be NCAA or bust, but realistically an arbitrator is going to find your under performance argument hard to swallow.

Are you Muller? Or his agent?? My lord, wake up and smell the coffee.

Not Muller. I didn’t see him blame the players for their effort.

Also, what is this rebuilding year non-sense? It’s year 8. It’s not like Muller was surprised the seniors were going to graduate. Last time I checked he’s in charge of recruiting.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I’m pissed, but I voted “no”.
Despite attempts by some serious Kool-Aid chuggers, I knew this year would be a shit-show because if how barren the cupboard was... it was beyond empty. What’s frustrating to me is the complete lack of progress. I mean, I have not seen the development of a single player into something that will get me thinking next year will be “OK”.
As pathetic as it sounds, I said earlier I’d give him one more year and I’m sticking to that, but I’m extremely embarrassed to be a fan these days.

 

[ricohill]

I still think this is the wrong poll for now. There needs to be a fire Lyons poll because that’s where this starts.

It’s one thing that he gave Muller the awful contract, but the fact he didn’t learn his lesson and did the same thing for women’s basketball. It’s year 3 under Gillespie and they’ve done ok, but their best “recruit” is a volleyball player. She has done ok, but nothing to get a big contract extension after last year.

So now we are going to hope Lyons can fix the men’s basketball mess?

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

I’d love to publicly attack Larry and Muller and embarrass them, but you know, they do enough to embarrass themselves already

Dan’s office is located in Redbird Arena. I’m sure he would welcome your visit.

 

[TBS_20]

Anyone who is voting no he shouldn't be fired and publically talking about it is just playing a character to get a ride out of people. Let's not take the bait. Trolls gonna troll.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

I’d love to publicly attack Larry and Muller and embarrass them, but you know, they do enough to embarrass themselves already

Dan’s office is located in Redbird Arena. I’m sure he would welcome your visit.

No way! I’m so scared of the big bad Danny man!

 

[ricohill]

I’d love to publicly attack Larry and Muller and embarrass them, but you know, they do enough to embarrass themselves already

Dan’s office is located in Redbird Arena. I’m sure he would welcome your visit.

Since Dan obviously isn’t teaching the team offense/defense or recruiting, I assume I would walk in and Dan would be counting all his money he is stealing from ISU and checking his 401k.