Poll for Muller

[TBS_20]

I would love to hear from the 4 people who think he shouldn't be fired. Money is not a reason. That's wasn't the question. It wasn't will he be coach it was should he be coach.

Money is at the heart of this unless you're willing to put it up.

Again, the question wasn't will he be coach because of money...it was should he be coach? You really can't see the difference?

 

[TIMMY]

I would love to hear from the 4 people who think he shouldn't be fired. Money is not a reason. That's wasn't the question. It wasn't will he be coach it was should he be coach.

Money is at the heart of this unless you're willing to put it up.

Again, the question wasn't will he be coach because of money...it was should he be coach? You really can't see the difference?

Should Dan Muller be fired? There. I copied and pasted it for you. It's not "should he be coach". After last night I may have answer your question differently.

 

[TIMMY]

I would love to hear from the 4 people who think he shouldn't be fired. Money is not a reason. That's wasn't the question. It wasn't will he be coach it was should he be coach.

Money is at the heart of this unless you're willing to put it up.

Again, the question wasn't will he be coach because of money...it was should he be coach? You really can't see the difference?

The question wasn't should he be coach. I explained why I don't think he should be fired. That was the question.

 

[ricohill]

Money is at the heart of this unless you're willing to put it up.

Again, the question wasn't will he be coach because of money...it was should he be coach? You really can't see the difference?

The question wasn't should he be coach. I explained why I don't think he should be fired. That was the question.

So you feel that ISU shouldn’t find $2 million (which, I assume they can find) and use it to get rid of Muller?

 

[ricohill]

If the university doesn’t have the money to fire Dan, then I agree everyone who approved this contract should be fired.

I am still in the belief that if ISU wanted to fire Dan they could find the 2mil. Problem is, the athletic department seems completely incompetent in every aspect.

Small example: they promoted the incorrect Gametime on social media last night. How these mistakes happen is beyond me. And is anyone ever held accountable? NO. Isu used to be the “home of champions”... how far this university has fallen.

The longer Muller is around, the further he drives this program into the ground. Good luck finding a quality head coach to take a job Where the team keeps finishing in the bottom 4 of a piss poor conference.

To be honest, I wish the ’s at ISU would have put 8:10 as the game time so I would have missed all of it. People showed up late from what I saw on twitter because of the screw up. It’s a complete disaster that only firing Muller won’t fix.

 

[TBS_20]

Money is at the heart of this unless you're willing to put it up.

Again, the question wasn't will he be coach because of money...it was should he be coach? You really can't see the difference?

The question wasn't should he be coach. I explained why I don't think he should be fired. That was the question.

Facepalm: the question is literally "SHOULD Dan Muller be fired?"

 

[TBS_20]

But, by all means stay in character.

 

[ricohill]

2012-13 -
- Northwestern - 10 point 2nd half lead - L 69-72
- Louisville - 8 pt halftime lead - L 66-69
- Wyoming - 19 pt lead 2nd half - L 81-67
- Wichita State - 10 pt lead with 6:41 left - L 68-67

2013-14
-Vermont - 18 pt 1st half lead - L 76-87
-Missouri State - 10 pt half time lead, 12 pt lead with 13 mins to go- L 70-78
-SIU - 2 pt lead with 29 secs - L 65-66

2014-15
-Utah State - 8 pt second half lead - L 55-60
-Indiana State - 3 pt lead with 3 to go - L 70-71
-UNI - 12 pt lead with 10 mins to go - L 53-54
- SIU - 2 pt lead with 1:37 to go - L 59-65
-UNI - MVC Tourney 14 pt halftime lead - L 60-69

2015-16
-Maryland - 5pt lead w 7 mins to go - L 66-77
- SIU - 12 point 2nd half lead - L 78-81
- Mo State - 6pt lead 46 seconds left in regulation - 4 pt lead 2 mins left in OT- L 81-84

2016-17
- Murray State 7 pt lead 3:23 to go (2PT lead 38 secs left)- L 70-73
-TCU - 7 pt second half lead - 1 pt lead w 2min to go - L 71-80
-Tulsa 7 pt lead with 5 mins to go - L 68-70
-San Fran - 4pt 2nd half lead - L 58-66

2017-18
Charleston Southern - 2pt lead w 1 min left - L 62-64
SIU - 14 pt lead with 7:50 to go - L 70-74


2018-19
Valpo - 10 pt lead 2 min - 6 pt lead 1 min - L 56-58
Mo State - Up5 with 13 secs left - L 65-66

2019-20
UCF - up 9 at half - up 6 with 3 to go - up 1 with 50 seconds left - L 65-67
Cincy - up 3 at half - up 10 with 7:48 to go - up 6 with 3 to go - up 1 with 20 seconds to go - L 65-66
Bradley - up 2 at half - L 63-75
SIU - Up 6 at half - up 3 with 6:44 left - L 55-58
Valpo - up 17 at half - up 5 with 6 to go - up 4 with 2 min left - L 62-65

 

[Loyl2u]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas. There is no way that Dan is fired w/contract or becomes AD. I Voted no - ISU doesn’t have money

Once season is over, Let’s talk about realistic options. You have to shake up the program and you need to send a message to fans that ISU actually doesn’t want everybody to become a UofI fan! This season, still games to be played and I’m still an ISU fan - pulling for players and coaches to find their way to some wins.

 

[Total Red]

No

 

[jwa123]

A simple yes or no poll if Dan Muller should be fired.

When you’re riding a dead horse, for heaven’s sake - dismount.

Timmy has hit the nail on the head.

 

[Scipio]

ISU won’t fire him. University does not care that much about their athletic programs to spend that money; IMO. However Dan himself should be looking to negotiate a way out. With his record and the combined disasters of 2019 and 2020 his chances of landing another D1 head coach position are slipping away. And next year could be worse. If you are a ISU men’s basketball player and can transfer out would you stick around? It’s over for DM and he should know that; negotiate a fair termination of his contract and move on while he still might have some opportunities.

 

[ricohill]

ISU won’t fire him. University does not care that much about their athletic programs to spend that money; IMO. However Dan himself should be looking to negotiate a way out. With his record and the combined disasters of 2019 and 2020 his chances of landing another D1 head coach position are slipping away. And next year could be worse. If you are a ISU men’s basketball player and can transfer out would you stick around? It’s over for DM and he should know that; negotiate a fair termination of his contract and move on while he still might have some opportunities.

Agree, at the end of the season Dietz and Lyons need to sit down with Dan and see what they can do to negotiate fair buyout terms. Muller staying is bad for Muller and ISU. He’s finished. There is no way he turns this around next year. As of now they will be worse.

If ISU is serious about athletics, Muller and Lyons are gone at the end of the season.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I’m trying to guess the 5. Timmy, hulka, bombay, retire12...and someone else.

You are correct on Timmy! I was at the game last night. About as brutal a game as I've ever sat through. It was like a car wreck in slow motion. But. And you can't get around it. So I'll say it for the umpteenth time. 2024.
How do you get around it Rico? And not some plan that'll never happen like make Dan the AD. You putting your $$$$ up to buy Dan out? Neither am I. I've got a lot of better things to do with my money. Until that question is answered with some cash it's moot!

But what if buying out the contract was not an issue. Fire him then?

 

[Hamdonger]

Not that it matters, and jmo that's not even worth a nickel, but if Dan is our coach next year, ain't NO WAY I'm hanging around this place.

 

[TIMMY]

I’m trying to guess the 5. Timmy, hulka, bombay, retire12...and someone else.

You are correct on Timmy! I was at the game last night. About as brutal a game as I've ever sat through. It was like a car wreck in slow motion. But. And you can't get around it. So I'll say it for the umpteenth time. 2024.
How do you get around it Rico? And not some plan that'll never happen like make Dan the AD. You putting your $$$$ up to buy Dan out? Neither am I. I've got a lot of better things to do with my money. Until that question is answered with some cash it's moot!

But what if buying out the contract was not an issue. Fire him then?

If if and buts were candies and nuts... but yeah after what I saw last night and in talking to some guys who played on really great teams, yeah I think I'm there.
I told my wife on the drive home I don't think he's going to come back from this. But he's got 2 years to prove me wrong.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

You are correct on Timmy! I was at the game last night. About as brutal a game as I've ever sat through. It was like a car wreck in slow motion. But. And you can't get around it. So I'll say it for the umpteenth time. 2024.
How do you get around it Rico? And not some plan that'll never happen like make Dan the AD. You putting your $$$$ up to buy Dan out? Neither am I. I've got a lot of better things to do with my money. Until that question is answered with some cash it's moot!

But what if buying out the contract was not an issue. Fire him then?

If if and buts were candies and nuts... but yeah after what I saw last night and in talking to some guys who played on really great teams, yeah I think I'm there.
I told my wife on the drive home I don't think he's going to come back from this. But he's got 2 years to prove me wrong.

I believe Dan’s only chance to get this program turned around is if he can get DJ & Antonio to stick around, and he can hold onto the 2020 class. Not sure what to think of the coaching staff, but I think they need to hang onto them. The revolving roster and coaching staff has got to end. I believe this freshman class, along with the 2020 recruits, and a good 2021 freshman recruiting class can get this program headed in the right direction again. Dan has coached the Redbirds to three MVC Tournament Championship games since 2015. You don’t do that without being a pretty good coach. This program got out of control when he started bringing in all of the transfers. As Sarge (I think it was) stated that we have zero juniors or seniors on this team that were freshman recruits. That is not a formula for a successful program.

 

[Redbird60451]

I vote no.
I just wish the players would do their dang jobs. He prepared them by instructing them what to do. But they all fail to perform up to expectations. They in reality, are the ones that should be fired.

Think of this as a business. I'm sure he's instructing them in practice to rotate to the open guy slow so the opponent can shoot an open 3. Or better telegraph your pass to a guy who's double teamed so they can easily get a fastbreak and dunk and don't forget to foul him so he can get a free throw. Don't go straight up, jump into him as he shoots so if he misses at least we give him the opportunity to shoot free throws. He's not allowed to fire these guys mid season when they screw up, or jack up 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock or don't defend as instructed because they are likely too stupid. Remember we likely lowered our education requirements to get them in. Best is he can bench them, then we complain that he benched them, but they are stupid idiots for not doing their jobs as instructed right? But ultimately we are grading him on his employees failures and successes. And yes he did recruit them, but then we complain when he lets them know they'd fit better elsewhere (we complain about turn over constantly) That's him terminating their employment. And these players are employees, they aren't student athletes anymore. Only if your sport does not charge for admission and you are not on scholarship, can you be a student athlete, otherwise it's a business, because money is involved.

Also business ain't bad in Normal, I looked yesterday and there were not many seats open for sale in the lower bowl, and they weren't exactly giving them away on the secondary market either (I'm a seat snob, I don't like the distance in the upper bowl). Now people may not have shown up, but I don't care if you show up or not, I've already got your money, and really the food stand sales don't move the needle. We will just not let the swim team spend the night before a meet at a hotel, they will have to get up at 3 am and ride the bus for that swim meet that day.

Until business is effected there's no reason to fire the guy. You say well no one wants to come here, and then ticket sales will fall off. Always kids who are looking to continue playing basketball and for free college tuition, so plenty of employees available. Ticket sales won't fall for for another 2/3 years down the road, until they have to lower prices of tickets or they have lots of lower bowl seats outside the student section unsold, give me a viable business reason as to change, because we are making a steady profit here, enough to support all the other non-revenue sports, and don't tell me that they will ever lower student fees, because that's like a government entity lowering taxes.

 

[TheTruth]

If ISU is serious about athletics, Muller and Lyons are gone at the end of the season.

The fact that Larry is still AD tells you all you need to know about how serious the university is about athletics. It’s a shame, because the potential at this university is incredible.

 

[SgtHulka]

I’m trying to guess the 5. Timmy, hulka, bombay, retire12...and someone else.

You are correct on Timmy! I was at the game last night. About as brutal a game as I've ever sat through. It was like a car wreck in slow motion. But. And you can't get around it. So I'll say it for the umpteenth time. 2024.
How do you get around it Rico? And not some plan that'll never happen like make Dan the AD. You putting your $$$$ up to buy Dan out? Neither am I. I've got a lot of better things to do with my money. Until that question is answered with some cash it's moot!

Congrats for going to a game....since you are an ISU fan. I was there as well. It was like every other god awful Dan Muller game.

The poll is “should Dan muller be fired”...not will he.

If ISU can’t find the $2 million then everyone associated with giving him the contract should be fired. It’s simple, you can’t allow losers to be rewarded by keeping their jobs.

Tough call out coming from the only poster here to claim he was boycotting games until Dan was gone.

BTW I voted not to fire him. Not because of what I believe but because my vote in a silly poll has no bearing on anything.