Missouri St.

[ISUBU]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point.

I watched the clip of the post-game press conference and Coach Spack just said the Brady was feeling no pain but the knew was buckling on him. He said they will do an MRI to see what is wrong but until that is completed nobody really knows. Let's hope for the best. Spack also mentioned that Proctor injured his knee but again the extent of the injury will have to be determined. I am guessing Monday before we get more news on how they are doing.

 

[Total Red]

Win any way you can. Great coverage from Taylor and Woods at the corners. We've had corners that were more physical and better tacklers but those two are as good as any at pass defense. McKnight (always), Clark and Vandenburgh all stood out for a defense that refused to wilt under heavy pressure.

Offensively Davis was having a good game until he got hurt so that sucks. The offensive line and Robinson both deserve a lot of credit for his 155 yards rushing. Especially since we didn't have a passing game to offset in the 2nd half.

Some basics for our less astute fans - This is a Playoff Team. This Team is not mediocre.

In the second half we were missing our starting QB, our top two wide receivers, a starting Off-lineman and a 2nd string RB. The defense picked up the slack. Win any way you can.

 

[DaveBird10]

Our offense needs to figure things out quick of we are to make any kind of run. Baltz needs to bring his lunchpail to work and log some OT in the film room.

Opportunity, brotha!

Cali it is beyond film it is live reps and another 40 pounds! He's not game ready but I'm ready to back him if Brady is out.

Redbirdfan04 definitely its live game reps. Baltz first pass in the 3rd qtr was underthrown and late. If on time thats a td. The game was moving too fast for Baltz. It will come with live reps but I'd prefer to not see it in the playoffs.

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[TIMMY]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice. You're right. You can't waste practice time on 2nd team especially when first TEAM offense is struggling.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot. Baltz and Jefferson got plenty of reps against our first team defense running our opponents offense. Looks like they did do a good job getting our D ready every week.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point. I'm sure Davis will give it everything he has. As for Baltz, it's a lot to expect from a freshman. At least he'll get all of the first team reps this week. But to have realistic expectations that he can possibly come in and play at Brady's level? That's a lot to put on a kid. There's a reason we have a starter. But stranger things have happened.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice. You're right. You can't waste practice time on 2nd team especially when first TEAM offense is struggling.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot. Baltz and Jefferson got plenty of reps against our first team defense running our opponents offense. Looks like they did do a good job getting our D ready every week.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point. I'm sure Davis will give it everything he has. As for Baltz, it's a lot to expect from a freshman. At least he'll get all of the first team reps this week. But to have realistic expectations that he can possibly come in and play at Brady's level? That's a lot to put on a kid. There's a reason we have a starter. But stranger things have happened.

Did you feel the same way about Dusty Burk?

 

[TIMMY]

Feel what about Dusty?

 

[TIMMY]

That it's tough for a freshman to come is week 9 and and play at the starters level. That it's a lot to put on the kid? That stranger things have happened? That we should have realistic expectations?

I think it's unfair to him to even bring up Dusty Burke. Dusty was an exception to the rule. My hope is Baltz comes in and kicks ass.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

With all the talk about the QBs...let's give some kudos to the O-line and running backs. After Brady went out with the injury there was no longer any doubt at all that it was going to be the QB handing off to the running backs almost exclusively. ISU held the ball for 8:26 of the 3rd quarter and 8:30 of the 4th quarter. ISU was 2-4 3rd down conversions in the 3rd quarter and 1-3 in the 4th quarter. Exactly the same as the team in the 1st & 2nd quarters. I thought Robinson was running particularly hard in the 2nd half knowing the team needed him to. The fumble was unfortunate, I thought he was down from the replay. The defense won the game but the offense without Brady held the ball for most of the second half and that was due to the play of the guys on the line and some tough running.

 

[Redbird15]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point.

Redshirt....The excuse they gave of why they put Baltz in the game against UNI in the 4th quarter with 2 min left to hand the ball off is going to haunt the coaching staff if Davis can not play. You would think with the mind set of redshirting him or even back up Baltz would only be inserted in maybe this past weekend game or Youngstown with the expectation of Davis not being injured to get playing time which would have be 2 games played this year. But because on UNI game and this game now he has 3 games played. If Davis is unable to go next week that 4 and who know what happens in playoffs ! I mention a injury case scenario after putting Baltz in game of UNI for last series of game to hand ball off a few weeks back... Yes most likely Jefferson will transfer out. Does anyone really think a injured Davis will play better than Baltz with little reps if they try to preserve if him in practice this week for YSU game ?

 

[TIMMY]

If he's able to get out there yes.

 

[MadBird]

Two thoughts about the QB situation (will plan on leaving some other thoughts on the game later):

First, no matter what sport, you know, they always say by "this time in the season" the freshmen, or rookies, aren't freshmen or rookies anymore, they have almost a whole season of experience, so to speak. So, you know, Baltz has been working with the team and offense and coaches all year, so while he's inexperienced, he's not as green as he was.

Second, I get the redshirt thing, but you know, you need the guy you need the guy. For me, if the guy is #2, give him reps all season to get him ready. Assuming Brady comes back (and he surely isn't going pro, or even transferring to FBS?) Baltz can sit next year and RS. While the RS thing is "ideal", you gotta do what you gotta do.

Baltz' resume looks pretty good. Last year at this time he was chewing up Class 8A in the IHSA playoffs. He's played in some "big time" games. He looked pretty good to me, considering.

 

[Sanantoniobird]

Very concerned moving forward. The biggest loss was Proctor. He was a nice change of pace and could spell JB for full possessions. I think Baltz can do what Davis can do, and was very impressed on how quickly he got to the first down marker, so he's got some ability to move. But can he do it as efficiently as Davis? I don't think so, not at this juncture, but surely he is def the future.
I think this board is miss what we had in Davis, if Baltz can't get some major reps and timing w/ the 1st team. I don't see YSU as an easy win; however, I just can't get over what we have accomplished with such a hole in our passing game and yesterday with our QB and #2 back down.
Step back, and revel in your top 7 'Birds for a second!

 

[MadBird]

Very concerned moving forward. The biggest loss was Proctor. He was a nice change of pace and could spell JB for full possessions. I think Baltz can do what Davis can do, and was very impressed on how quickly he got to the first down marker, so he's got some ability to move. But can he do it as efficiently as Davis? I don't think so, not at this juncture, but surely he is def the future.
I think this board is miss what we had in Davis, if Baltz can't get some major reps and timing w/ the 1st team. I don't see YSU as an easy win; however, I just can't get over what we have accomplished with such a hole in our passing game and yesterday with our QB and #2 back down.
Step back, and revel in your top 7 'Birds for a second!

I was having some grim moments during the game yesterday, looking at that team, thinking, what? . . . . we want to see these guys in the playoffs?? Getting pushed around by the last place Bears. But then, like you point out SanAntonio, I'm thinking our backup QB is in there and JRob is running like an All-American (I'll ignore the fumble for now) and that #1 ranked Red Zone D!! It was sweet, especially if you had sat there during the hose job from UNI.

So, you know, I'm still hoping for more improvement from this team, that there's still time for them to make another step. For the OL to get consistent, because we've seen them open holes and make the run game really work. And we've seen them make a nice pocket for the passing game. And we've seen Davis hit the open man and the tight ends get open, etc. etc. The D, what can you say? They showed that #1 red zone business yesterday, someway somehow.

 

[StLRedbird]

Haven’t seen the game yet and won’t be able to until Wed. Really appreciate the descriptions & commentary here. All I can say right now is that we have a helluva defense. Really proud of our ‘birds for gutting this one out. We have a week to get ready for the flightless birds and hopefully a week off after that

 

[fourthandshort]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point.

Redshirt....The excuse they gave of why they put Baltz in the game against UNI in the 4th quarter with 2 min left to hand the ball off is going to haunt the coaching staff if Davis can not play. You would think with the mind set of redshirting him or even back up Baltz would only be inserted in maybe this past weekend game or Youngstown with the expectation of Davis not being injured to get playing time which would have be 2 games played this year. But because on UNI game and this game now he has 3 games played. If Davis is unable to go next week that 4 and who know what happens in playoffs ! I mention a injury case scenario after putting Baltz in game of UNI for last series of game to hand ball off a few weeks back... Yes most likely Jefferson will transfer out. Does anyone really think a injured Davis will play better than Baltz with little reps if they try to preserve if him in practice this week for YSU game ?

:text-+1:

This for sure !!

Our coaches have to know they know they are conservative on offense (i.e. reluctant to throw the ball with any adversity), especially with young QBs. So why put a true pocket QB who is a true FR out there to hand the ball off (and eventually burn his redshirt), when you have a RS FR who is a true dual threat and can hand the ball off or keep it, not to mention been in system much longer by comparison.

Hope Davis can stabilize his knee and play, if for no otehr reason but reps with Edgar back. But I do believe we can win this game without Davis, if we game plan accordingly all week with dual threat RS FR Jefferson .. especially assuming playing against YSU will burn Baltz redshirt.

Just go with Jefferson, install a game plan around Jefferson's skills .. go conservative, throw maybe 10 safe passes and a 2 or 3 deep balls. I promise not to get mad !!!!! This time. Baltz is not ready ... don't burn his redshirt to hand ball off all game.

edit last paragraph .. meant to say go with Jefferson

 

[redbirdfan04]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

How are you supposed to give Baltz so much time with the first team when your starter needs the time to fix his game and also to adjust after losing three key receivers? From his inconsistent throws, I think Davis needed more reps in practice.

The backups got enough reps for Baltz to pull ahead during this season. We were trying to redshirt him this year even after it became apparent that he had moved into the number two spot.

I think we'll see a very different Baltz next week starting at YSU. Lack of knee stability sounds like ligament damage. Might be bad enough to end Davis's season, or he may be able to play even with some damage. Who knows at this point.

Redshirt....The excuse they gave of why they put Baltz in the game against UNI in the 4th quarter with 2 min left to hand the ball off is going to haunt the coaching staff if Davis can not play. You would think with the mind set of redshirting him or even back up Baltz would only be inserted in maybe this past weekend game or Youngstown with the expectation of Davis not being injured to get playing time which would have be 2 games played this year. But because on UNI game and this game now he has 3 games played. If Davis is unable to go next week that 4 and who know what happens in playoffs ! I mention a injury case scenario after putting Baltz in game of UNI for last series of game to hand ball off a few weeks back... Yes most likely Jefferson will transfer out. Does anyone really think a injured Davis will play better than Baltz with little reps if they try to preserve if him in practice this week for YSU game ?

:text-+1:

This for sure !!

Our coaches have to know they know they are conservative on offense (i.e. reluctant to throw the ball with any adversity), especially with young QBs. So why put a true pocket QB who is a true FR out there to hand the ball off (and eventually burn his redshirt), when you have a RS FR who is a true dual threat and can hand the ball off or keep it, not to mention been in system much longer by comparison.

Hope Davis can stabilize his knee and play, if for no otehr reason but reps with Edgar back. But I do believe we can win this game without Davis, if we game plan accordingly all week with dual threat RS FR Jefferson .. especially assuming playing against YSU will burn Baltz redshirt.

Just go with Jefferson, install a game plan around Jefferson's skills .. go conservative, throw maybe 10 safe passes and a 2 or 3 deep balls. I promise not to get mad !!!!! This time. Baltz is not ready ... don't burn his redshirt to hand ball off all game.

edit last paragraph .. meant to say go with Jefferson

I like this idea Fourth. I also agree we can win this game the way we have been all year. Defense and running the ball. I am still hoping Davis can make it back. If we win this weekend that would give Davis almost three weeks of rest to get game ready. I guess everything is really up in the air until we know what his status is. Also I saw Edgar in pads before the game Saturday and then he went into the locker room and came out in street clothes before the opening kick off. I am hoping he plays this weekend. Anyone hear any news on Proctor? This win cost us a lot on the injury front.

If we can get these guys back on the field and win Saturday this has to be the best job coaching during Spack's tenure here. The injury bug has nailed this team and they keep winning. A 9-3 mark would be very impressive.

 

[cpacmel]

Looking for a new coach:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news-leader.com/amp/4182457002

 

[topiarydan]

They had a really nice recruiting class - wonder if any can get releases - I know one big OL picked them to stay close to home over us

 

[StLRedbird]

Interesting situation. Hammons defaulted on his naming rights payments on JQH, so MSU has to be pinching pennies. Doubt they'll get a new naming agreement with the same $ the wealthy alumnus was willing to pay out. Still, they found $340M in private funds to buy him out. Hammons feeling bad about not paying as agreed?

Seems to me like MSU was in a better position than us to make the leap to FBS, from a financial perspective. At least that was true while sugar daddy was signing checks. Not so sure now.

I would think that this job should draw some good candidates.