It Is Time to Make a Coaching Change...

[ekeyfanclub]

Boyd and Fisher along with Ndiaye and Idowu are going to be a power

So did dan bring them in? Or no?

He did. Hopefully, he learns to coach them unlike this group (of course I credit that partly to Milik because nobody seems to be coachable and they see him get away with it based purely upon talent). That's why I think it was Yak because they fell off with the new guys after he left. Maybe we'll get lucky and Yak will coach these guys, too That's my dream at least.

I thought it was the fact they lost 4 starters and yet we still made the MVC championship game again, but I am sure you are right that it was mostly because Yak left.

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[Jsnhbe1Birds]

So did dan bring them in? Or no?

He did. Hopefully, he learns to coach them unlike this group (of course I credit that partly to Milik because nobody seems to be coachable and they see him get away with it based purely upon talent). That's why I think it was Yak because they fell off with the new guys after he left. Maybe we'll get lucky and Yak will coach these guys, too That's my dream at least.

I thought it was the fact they lost 4 starters and yet we still made the MVC championship game again, but I am sure you are right that it was mostly because Yak left.

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agree to disagee and that is that.

 

[Bird Friend]

Boyd and Fisher along with Ndiaye and Idowu are going to be a power

So did dan bring them in? Or no?

He did. Hopefully, he learns to coach them unlike this group (of course I credit that partly to Milik because nobody seems to be coachable and they see him get away with it based purely upon talent). That's why I think it was Yak because they fell off with the new guys after he left. Maybe we'll get lucky and Yak will coach these guys, too That's my dream at least.

Speaking of coachability . . .

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Boyd and Fisher along with Ndiaye and Idowu are going to be a power

So did dan bring them in? Or no?

He did. Hopefully, he learns to coach them unlike this group (of course I credit that partly to Milik because nobody seems to be coachable and they see him get away with it based purely upon talent). That's why I think it was Yak because they fell off with the new guys after he left. Maybe we'll get lucky and Yak will coach these guys, too That's my dream at least.

You seem more a Yak fan than a Bird fan. Just follow the Wolverines. They’re undefeated. You’ll be happier.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

So did dan bring them in? Or no?

He did. Hopefully, he learns to coach them unlike this group (of course I credit that partly to Milik because nobody seems to be coachable and they see him get away with it based purely upon talent). That's why I think it was Yak because they fell off with the new guys after he left. Maybe we'll get lucky and Yak will coach these guys, too That's my dream at least.

You seem more a Yak fan than a Bird fan. Just follow the Wolverines. They’re undefeated. You’ll be happier.

Love the 'Birds. Not going to blindly follow along though. Sorry, not sorry. I know they can be great.

 

[Bird Friend]

He did. Hopefully, he learns to coach them unlike this group (of course I credit that partly to Milik because nobody seems to be coachable and they see him get away with it based purely upon talent). That's why I think it was Yak because they fell off with the new guys after he left. Maybe we'll get lucky and Yak will coach these guys, too That's my dream at least.

You seem more a Yak fan than a Bird fan. Just follow the Wolverines. They’re undefeated. You’ll be happier.

Love the 'Birds. Not going to blindly follow along though. Sorry, not sorry. I know they can be great.

Tunnel vision is its own form of blindness.

 

[HailISNU]

ive literally said it 20 times. yaklich. they were good because of him not muller

so now that you've admitted he is not going to return to Normal, who do you actually want that would actually come here

 

[gobirds72]

ive literally said it 20 times. yaklich. they were good because of him not muller

so now that you've admitted he is not going to return to Normal, who do you actually want that would actually come here

Are you saying that we’re settling? Muller is here because no one wants to be here? I have no problem with Dan being here! I just think the extensions were non warranted. He did nothing to receive them. He can be year to year...and bonus him well should he do something that would warrant a bonus.

 

[Bird Friend]

ive literally said it 20 times. yaklich. they were good because of him not muller

so now that you've admitted he is not going to return to Normal, who do you actually want that would actually come here

Are you saying that we’re settling? Muller is here because no one wants to be here? I have no problem with Dan being here! I just think the extensions were non warranted. He did nothing to receive them. He can be year to year...and bonus him well should he do something that would warrant a bonus.

MVC COY is kinda hard to ignore when it comes extension time . . .

 

[ricohill]

ive literally said it 20 times. yaklich. they were good because of him not muller

so now that you've admitted he is not going to return to Normal, who do you actually want that would actually come here

Are you saying that we’re settling? Muller is here because no one wants to be here? I have no problem with Dan being here! I just think the extensions were non warranted. He did nothing to receive them. He can be year to year...and bonus him well should he do something that would warrant a bonus.

I would never give a coach an extension without going to the NCAA Tournament. To give someone that amount of time and money for an NIT bid is how you end up with a coach for way too long.

I like Dan, but if he left they could find someone just as good in 5 seconds. I don’t trust Larry to find that person, but there are plenty of good coaches out there.

Dan is not getting another job until he goes to an NCAA tournament so why pay him double what anyone else would?

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

I never said he wasn't going to come here. Show me where I said that. I said we might have to compete with p5 offers because he's that good. And maybe we won't, who knows. But I do know I never said he wasn't coming here

 

[CaliRdBrd]

All I know is I desperately want Muller to succeed. If he makes the NCAA and continues running the program the right way. I’d be ecstatic.

 

[isuquinndog]

You think recruits know if a coach is on the edge of staying or not? Why would a recruit come here if the school won't show them that their coach is going to stay for any amount of time? You have to think of the ramifications of what you are saying. It's not as easy as "I think Dan is a bad coach, don't extend him" or "just do year to year contracts, no big deal!"

It doesn't work that way.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

so now that you've admitted he is not going to return to Normal, who do you actually want that would actually come here

Are you saying that we’re settling? Muller is here because no one wants to be here? I have no problem with Dan being here! I just think the extensions were non warranted. He did nothing to receive them. He can be year to year...and bonus him well should he do something that would warrant a bonus.

I would never give a coach an extension without going to the NCAA Tournament. To give someone that amount of time and money for an NIT bid is how you end up with a coach for way too long.

I like Dan, but if he left they could find someone just as good in 5 seconds. I don’t trust Larry to find that person, but there are plenty of good coaches out there.

Dan is not getting another job until he goes to an NCAA tournament so why pay him double what anyone else would?

Probably could have made the same comments about Moser. Maybe that’s Dan’s destiny .... using ISU as a stepping stone and getting to the Dance elsewhere.

 

[ricohill]

Are you saying that we’re settling? Muller is here because no one wants to be here? I have no problem with Dan being here! I just think the extensions were non warranted. He did nothing to receive them. He can be year to year...and bonus him well should he do something that would warrant a bonus.

I would never give a coach an extension without going to the NCAA Tournament. To give someone that amount of time and money for an NIT bid is how you end up with a coach for way too long.

I like Dan, but if he left they could find someone just as good in 5 seconds. I don’t trust Larry to find that person, but there are plenty of good coaches out there.

Dan is not getting another job until he goes to an NCAA tournament so why pay him double what anyone else would?

Probably could have made the same comments about Moser. Maybe that’s Dan’s destiny .... using ISU as a stepping stone and getting to the Dance elsewhere.

I know there is the myth that Dan is loyal to Illinois State...this is college athletics. He will be on the first plane out of here if he ever makes the NCAA Tournament.

I still think the best way to handle his contract after the MVC title was give him a raise, extend his contract to 2 or 3 years out from that current season with a rollover option, if both sides agree each year (Indy State did this with Lansing). That way every year he's guaranteed 2 or 3 more years from the current season, but when things go down hill it gives ISU an out to say we aren't rolling you over unless you win.

Then load up his contract with incentives. You win the regular season title you get x amount. tournament championship or NCAA bid x amount, first rd NCAA win, etc... Then you actually make Muller earn his money. Now we just throw a ton of money at him and likely to get 3 or 4 average years and the first time he makes the NCAA Tournament leaves. Instead of paying him less of a base contract and only pay him for success.

 

[Brick]

You think recruits know if a coach is on the edge of staying or not? Why would a recruit come here if the school won't show them that their coach is going to stay for any amount of time? You have to think of the ramifications of what you are saying. It's not as easy as "I think Dan is a bad coach, don't extend him" or "just do year to year contracts, no big deal!"

It doesn't work that way.

Excellent Quinnie!

 

[SgtHulka]

You think recruits know if a coach is on the edge of staying or not? Why would a recruit come here if the school won't show them that their coach is going to stay for any amount of time? You have to think of the ramifications of what you are saying. It's not as easy as "I think Dan is a bad coach, don't extend him" or "just do year to year contracts, no big deal!"

It doesn't work that way.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

I'm ready to start from scratch. Let them all transfer

 

[TIMMY]

Dan is not going to coach better or harder because of incentives in his contract. The guy's an athlete and a competitor. When he wins he will get a raise or leave for a better job. Or just decide to stay because this where he wants to be. (Spack) If he loses at some point he will be gone. And then the coin toss. Stallings/Richardson. Who wants to flip that coin??? Be careful because you never know what's behind the curtain.

Not going to the dance for 20 years is frustrating as hell. Everyone wants ISU in the final 4. Duh.

One last thing. I've shopped 2 kids looking at colleges and the coaches future tenure was at the top of our list. I don't think I'm alone in that.

 

[cpacmel]

I still think the best way to handle his contract after the MVC title was give him a raise, extend his contract to 2 or 3 years out from that current season with a rollover option, if both sides agree each year (Indy State did this with Lansing). That way every year he's guaranteed 2 or 3 more years from the current season, but when things go down hill it gives ISU an out to say we aren't rolling you over unless you win.

So a head coach is sitting in a junior or senior's living room trying to recruit him to Old State U.

One of the first questions a recruit and or his family is going to ask:

What is your current contract situation? Coach says "I am under contract for this year and 2 more after that. "

Recruit does the Math...."this guy isn't under contract thru my junior year! Hmmmm. Does that mean if I commit I might be on the move if he doesn't get renewed?"

That's exactly how it works in recruiting. Ask Lovie Smith.