Hopefully...Coach Muller through 2024....

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I hope Dan can pull in the kid from Zion before the season starts....the future is looking great but this season is going to be hard to watch...hope no one leaves after or during the season...need to be .500 to keep the verbales committed..

This season is a big wild card. It could be somewhat brutal to watch or a pleasant surprise. So hard to predict final record given the many new players and due to the fact that the tough opponents are early in the season.

 

[jbird]

I hope Dan can pull in the kid from Zion before the season starts....the future is looking great but this season is going to be hard to watch...hope no one leaves after or during the season...need to be .500 to keep the verbales committed..

"the kid from Zion," crazy???

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I hope Dan can pull in the kid from Zion before the season starts....the future is looking great but this season is going to be hard to watch...hope no one leaves after or during the season...need to be .500 to keep the verbales committed..

A top 60 next season to add to the top 175 in '19 plus a 6'10 kid next season...I'm hoping Okoro sees whats going on (IF Zion commits, of course). But, Okoro isn't from Blo-No so I doubt he has any real reason to stay.

who is the top 60 player or is that your reference to Okoro?

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

I hope Dan can pull in the kid from Zion before the season starts....the future is looking great but this season is going to be hard to watch...hope no one leaves after or during the season...need to be .500 to keep the verbales committed..

A top 60 next season to add to the top 175 in '19 plus a 6'10 kid next season...I'm hoping Okoro sees whats going on (IF Zion commits, of course). But, Okoro isn't from Blo-No so I doubt he has any real reason to stay.

who is the top 60 player or is that your reference to Okoro?

zion is rated 60th currently. that's why I said IF he commits.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

LOL. Only you guys can see Dan Muller signing on thru the next half decade as a potential negative.

"Well, if a power 5 comes calling, he'll leave".

Probably true. If someone with a billion dollars rolls up and drops Gregg Marshall money on Coach's lawn, he's probably gone, but that does not take away that ISU is doing SOMETHING to recognize and incentivize their coach to stay until that point where he inevitably gets scooped up (I actually see him as the next man up at Northwestern when Chris Collins gets the call from Duke in a few years).

This also shows investment in the long term success of the program. They are telling Muller to re-build the team, which he kinda has to do, and that it is okay if we have a "down" year and only win 15 or 16 games. The contract works both ways. "We will pay you 20% more if you stay" also means "We will give you that wiggle room to not have to win 25 games every year".

You guys probably hate that as most of you are "we should win every game and someone is to blame for every loss" type guys. I believe that long term success of a program takes into account development games and even "rebuilding" seasons (IE: The White Sox/Cubs).

I do think we should still be considered top 3 in the Valley every year for the next 3 if for no other reason that Elijah Clarence being the lynchpin, but if we take 4th or even 5th/6th, I'm not about to suggest Muller isn't the right coach.

 

[Bird Friend]

Isn't it funny that less than two years ago this board was debating whether Dan should be fired . . . and now we're debating whether the buyout clause in his contract is enough. SMH

If you were one of the ones (not all) debating firing Dan two years ago don't paint them with your brush.

What brush?

Yes or no. Was there a debate on this board season before last about whether Muller should be fired? (The answer is "yes" by the way.)

Yes or no. Is there debate on this thread about whether Muller's buyout is insufficient? (The answer is "yes" by the way.)

I am merely pointing out the transitive nature of our fanbase, particularly on this board. While I can't prove it--due to the unfortunate board crash of 2017--I'm reasonably certain some of those who were calling for Muller to be fired are now saying his buyout (and even his pay) isn't big enough and that we need to up his salary to make it really hard for him to be lured away.

And, no, I didn't call any of you trannies.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

LOL. Only you guys can see Dan Muller signing on thru the next half decade as a potential negative.

"Well, if a power 5 comes calling, he'll leave".

Probably true. If someone with a billion dollars rolls up and drops Gregg Marshall money on Coach's lawn, he's probably gone, but that does not take away that ISU is doing SOMETHING to recognize and incentivize their coach to stay until that point where he inevitably gets scooped up (I actually see him as the next man up at Northwestern when Chris Collins gets the call from Duke in a few years).

This also shows investment in the long term success of the program. They are telling Muller to re-build the team, which he kinda has to do, and that it is okay if we have a "down" year and only win 15 or 16 games. The contract works both ways. "We will pay you 20% more if you stay" also means "We will give you that wiggle room to not have to win 25 games every year".

You guys probably hate that as most of you are "we should win every game and someone is to blame for every loss" type guys. I believe that long term success of a program takes into account development games and even "rebuilding" seasons (IE: The White Sox/Cubs).

I do think we should still be considered top 3 in the Valley every year for the next 3 if for no other reason that Elijah Clarence being the lynchpin, but if we take 4th or even 5th/6th, I'm not about to suggest Muller isn't the right coach.

I'll let the others speak for themselves but I want more of a commitment toward Muller and not less. I was hoping to see ISU search within their $26.2 million AD budget and come up with more dollars of annual compensation to keep him a few years longer and to also have a higher buyout which would deter some schools (but not all) and if he does leave the buyout will help fund the next coach. He is worth it in my opinion and the disruption when he leaves will likely be a huge multi-year setback for the basketball program. I would like to see ISU make a commitment like UNI made for their basketball program.

Although I hope I am wrong I am looking for a taker on a bet that Muller is gone from ISU before the start of the 2019 season. Let me know Redbirdwarrior if you are interested.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

LOL. Only you guys can see Dan Muller signing on thru the next half decade as a potential negative.

"Well, if a power 5 comes calling, he'll leave".

Probably true. If someone with a billion dollars rolls up and drops Gregg Marshall money on Coach's lawn, he's probably gone, but that does not take away that ISU is doing SOMETHING to recognize and incentivize their coach to stay until that point where he inevitably gets scooped up (I actually see him as the next man up at Northwestern when Chris Collins gets the call from Duke in a few years).

This also shows investment in the long term success of the program. They are telling Muller to re-build the team, which he kinda has to do, and that it is okay if we have a "down" year and only win 15 or 16 games. The contract works both ways. "We will pay you 20% more if you stay" also means "We will give you that wiggle room to not have to win 25 games every year".

You guys probably hate that as most of you are "we should win every game and someone is to blame for every loss" type guys. I believe that long term success of a program takes into account development games and even "rebuilding" seasons (IE: The White Sox/Cubs).

I do think we should still be considered top 3 in the Valley every year for the next 3 if for no other reason that Elijah Clarence being the lynchpin, but if we take 4th or even 5th/6th, I'm not about to suggest Muller isn't the right coach.

I'll let the others speak for themselves but I want more of a commitment toward Muller and not less. I was hoping to see ISU search within their $26.2 million AD budget and come up with more dollars of annual compensation to keep him a few years longer and to also have a higher buyout which would deter some schools (but not all) and if he does leave the buyout will help fund the next coach. He is worth it in my opinion and the disruption when he leaves will likely be a huge multi-year setback for the basketball program. I would like to see ISU make a commitment like UNI made for their basketball program.

Although I hope I am wrong I am looking for a taker on a bet that Muller is gone from ISU before the start of the 2019 season. Let me know Redbirdwarrior if you are interested.

I look at this as them offering a very secure, long term option to HCDM. If you throw $2.5 million a year at him for 4 years, people are going to expect him to not only win, but to dominate. That is a LOT of pressure that can seriously hurt a young coach's long term success. HCDM is one of the youngest head coaches in the country and, at the same time, one of the more successful. Dude is going to want to coach for a long time and the money will come either from ISU or from another, bigger program. He's 41. When this contract is done, he'll be 47 and will STILL be one of the younger coaches in the league with more than $4 million in career earnings before his "big earning years". This is MINIMUM.

Everyone, including coach, understand that this is a bargain and understand that it gives the coach all the leverage to run the program as he wants and negotiate in the future. I think that is what ISU wants to do. They want to make this Dan Muller's program much like Wichita St is now Gregg Marshall's program. If you start by throwing giant numbers at him, it really is the AD's program. That AD is going to tell that coach that 24+ wins per season and an NCAA every other year is the expectation he will be measured against. Muller does not have that. The AD is telling him to build a long lasting program that wins consistently, but without putting potentially incredibly stressful or nearly impossible standards in front of him. Muller will be a better coach if not pressured to be a "win at all costs" coach instead of a "leader of men" coach.

Still, I'll take your bet. Hows 4 seats to any ISU football (Home stands) or basketball (100 level) game in the 2019-20 season? I'll even throw in 2 Maggie Miley carbombs and a gondola.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

LOL. Only you guys can see Dan Muller signing on thru the next half decade as a potential negative.

"Well, if a power 5 comes calling, he'll leave".

Probably true. If someone with a billion dollars rolls up and drops Gregg Marshall money on Coach's lawn, he's probably gone, but that does not take away that ISU is doing SOMETHING to recognize and incentivize their coach to stay until that point where he inevitably gets scooped up (I actually see him as the next man up at Northwestern when Chris Collins gets the call from Duke in a few years).

This also shows investment in the long term success of the program. They are telling Muller to re-build the team, which he kinda has to do, and that it is okay if we have a "down" year and only win 15 or 16 games. The contract works both ways. "We will pay you 20% more if you stay" also means "We will give you that wiggle room to not have to win 25 games every year".

You guys probably hate that as most of you are "we should win every game and someone is to blame for every loss" type guys. I believe that long term success of a program takes into account development games and even "rebuilding" seasons (IE: The White Sox/Cubs).

I do think we should still be considered top 3 in the Valley every year for the next 3 if for no other reason that Elijah Clarence being the lynchpin, but if we take 4th or even 5th/6th, I'm not about to suggest Muller isn't the right coach.

I'll let the others speak for themselves but I want more of a commitment toward Muller and not less. I was hoping to see ISU search within their $26.2 million AD budget and come up with more dollars of annual compensation to keep him a few years longer and to also have a higher buyout which would deter some schools (but not all) and if he does leave the buyout will help fund the next coach. He is worth it in my opinion and the disruption when he leaves will likely be a huge multi-year setback for the basketball program. I would like to see ISU make a commitment like UNI made for their basketball program.

Although I hope I am wrong I am looking for a taker on a bet that Muller is gone from ISU before the start of the 2019 season. Let me know Redbirdwarrior if you are interested.

I look at this as them offering a very secure, long term option to HCDM. If you throw $2.5 million a year at him for 4 years, people are going to expect him to not only win, but to dominate. That is a LOT of pressure that can seriously hurt a young coach's long term success. HCDM is one of the youngest head coaches in the country and, at the same time, one of the more successful. Dude is going to want to coach for a long time and the money will come either from ISU or from another, bigger program. He's 41. When this contract is done, he'll be 47 and will STILL be one of the younger coaches in the league with more than $4 million in career earnings before his "big earning years". This is MINIMUM.

Everyone, including coach, understand that this is a bargain and understand that it gives the coach all the leverage to run the program as he wants and negotiate in the future. I think that is what ISU wants to do. They want to make this Dan Muller's program much like Wichita St is now Gregg Marshall's program. If you start by throwing giant numbers at him, it really is the AD's program. That AD is going to tell that coach that 24+ wins per season and an NCAA every other year is the expectation he will be measured against. Muller does not have that. The AD is telling him to build a long lasting program that wins consistently, but without putting potentially incredibly stressful or nearly impossible standards in front of him. Muller will be a better coach if not pressured to be a "win at all costs" coach instead of a "leader of men" coach.

Still, I'll take your bet. Hows 4 seats to any ISU football (Home stands) or basketball (100 level) game in the 2019-20 season? I'll even throw in 2 Maggie Miley carbombs and a gondola.

I would be happy if ISU threw 1.0 or 1.25 a year vs $2.5MM a year in return for a meaningful buyout. If the birds takeoff with Muller they could then afford to offer him more. Yes Muller is young but he is already into his 5th year as a headcoach so he can handle the pressure and I think is ready now for any challenge.

I like your suggestion so bet is on. I will throw in your choice of dinner with drinks at Girl and the Goat, Momotaro or Swift & Sons if you are up in Chicago. I have set up our former favorite sports reporter of the Vidette at a couple of the places so reach out to him if you need help deciding. He was at the Girl and Goat this past Friday night.

 

[Redbirdfan21]

https://twitter.com/pg_benson/status/903372941798379520

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

I really don't think Dan will leave unless his dream job opens up, Purdue. If Dan produces results I think Illinois State will find the means to pay him $2 to 3-million per season. I'm not sure where it comes from but I don't think they'll let him go. They'll find a way.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

https://twitter.com/pg_benson/status/903372941798379520

It's a long shot but it could become.more conceivable if they land Zion

 

[Bird Friend]

LOL. Only you guys can see Dan Muller signing on thru the next half decade as a potential negative.

"Well, if a power 5 comes calling, he'll leave".

Probably true. If someone with a billion dollars rolls up and drops Gregg Marshall money on Coach's lawn, he's probably gone, but that does not take away that ISU is doing SOMETHING to recognize and incentivize their coach to stay until that point where he inevitably gets scooped up (I actually see him as the next man up at Northwestern when Chris Collins gets the call from Duke in a few years).

This also shows investment in the long term success of the program. They are telling Muller to re-build the team, which he kinda has to do, and that it is okay if we have a "down" year and only win 15 or 16 games. The contract works both ways. "We will pay you 20% more if you stay" also means "We will give you that wiggle room to not have to win 25 games every year".

You guys probably hate that as most of you are "we should win every game and someone is to blame for every loss" type guys. I believe that long term success of a program takes into account development games and even "rebuilding" seasons (IE: The White Sox/Cubs).

I do think we should still be considered top 3 in the Valley every year for the next 3 if for no other reason that Elijah Clarence being the lynchpin, but if we take 4th or even 5th/6th, I'm not about to suggest Muller isn't the right coach.

I'll let the others speak for themselves but I want more of a commitment toward Muller and not less. I was hoping to see ISU search within their $26.2 million AD budget and come up with more dollars of annual compensation to keep him a few years longer and to also have a higher buyout which would deter some schools (but not all) and if he does leave the buyout will help fund the next coach. He is worth it in my opinion and the disruption when he leaves will likely be a huge multi-year setback for the basketball program. I would like to see ISU make a commitment like UNI made for their basketball program.

Although I hope I am wrong I am looking for a taker on a bet that Muller is gone from ISU before the start of the 2019 season. Let me know Redbirdwarrior if you are interested.

Silly me, but I woulda thought the $$ saved on his remaining contract could fund the next coach.

 

[Tpguy]

FIRE MUELLOR

 

[fdbird83]

FIRE MUELLOR

Who is this MUELLOR you speak of!

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

LOL. Only you guys can see Dan Muller signing on thru the next half decade as a potential negative.

"Well, if a power 5 comes calling, he'll leave".

Probably true. If someone with a billion dollars rolls up and drops Gregg Marshall money on Coach's lawn, he's probably gone, but that does not take away that ISU is doing SOMETHING to recognize and incentivize their coach to stay until that point where he inevitably gets scooped up (I actually see him as the next man up at Northwestern when Chris Collins gets the call from Duke in a few years).

This also shows investment in the long term success of the program. They are telling Muller to re-build the team, which he kinda has to do, and that it is okay if we have a "down" year and only win 15 or 16 games. The contract works both ways. "We will pay you 20% more if you stay" also means "We will give you that wiggle room to not have to win 25 games every year".

You guys probably hate that as most of you are "we should win every game and someone is to blame for every loss" type guys. I believe that long term success of a program takes into account development games and even "rebuilding" seasons (IE: The White Sox/Cubs).

I do think we should still be considered top 3 in the Valley every year for the next 3 if for no other reason that Elijah Clarence being the lynchpin, but if we take 4th or even 5th/6th, I'm not about to suggest Muller isn't the right coach.

I'll let the others speak for themselves but I want more of a commitment toward Muller and not less. I was hoping to see ISU search within their $26.2 million AD budget and come up with more dollars of annual compensation to keep him a few years longer and to also have a higher buyout which would deter some schools (but not all) and if he does leave the buyout will help fund the next coach. He is worth it in my opinion and the disruption when he leaves will likely be a huge multi-year setback for the basketball program. I would like to see ISU make a commitment like UNI made for their basketball program.

Although I hope I am wrong I am looking for a taker on a bet that Muller is gone from ISU before the start of the 2019 season. Let me know Redbirdwarrior if you are interested.

Silly me, but I woulda thought the $$ saved on his remaining contract could fund the next coach.

Absolutely if you want to go out and find a cheap coach as a replacement.

 

[SgtHulka]

I hope Dan can pull in the kid from Zion before the season starts....the future is looking great but this season is going to be hard to watch...hope no one leaves after or during the season...need to be .500 to keep the verbales committed..

"the kid from Zion," crazy???

I want no Zionists on my team

 

[ekeyfanclub]

LOL. Only you guys can see Dan Muller signing on thru the next half decade as a potential negative.

"Well, if a power 5 comes calling, he'll leave".

Probably true. If someone with a billion dollars rolls up and drops Gregg Marshall money on Coach's lawn, he's probably gone, but that does not take away that ISU is doing SOMETHING to recognize and incentivize their coach to stay until that point where he inevitably gets scooped up (I actually see him as the next man up at Northwestern when Chris Collins gets the call from Duke in a few years).

This also shows investment in the long term success of the program. They are telling Muller to re-build the team, which he kinda has to do, and that it is okay if we have a "down" year and only win 15 or 16 games. The contract works both ways. "We will pay you 20% more if you stay" also means "We will give you that wiggle room to not have to win 25 games every year".

You guys probably hate that as most of you are "we should win every game and someone is to blame for every loss" type guys. I believe that long term success of a program takes into account development games and even "rebuilding" seasons (IE: The White Sox/Cubs).

I do think we should still be considered top 3 in the Valley every year for the next 3 if for no other reason that Elijah Clarence being the lynchpin, but if we take 4th or even 5th/6th, I'm not about to suggest Muller isn't the right coach.

I'll let the others speak for themselves but I want more of a commitment toward Muller and not less. I was hoping to see ISU search within their $26.2 million AD budget and come up with more dollars of annual compensation to keep him a few years longer and to also have a higher buyout which would deter some schools (but not all) and if he does leave the buyout will help fund the next coach. He is worth it in my opinion and the disruption when he leaves will likely be a huge multi-year setback for the basketball program. I would like to see ISU make a commitment like UNI made for their basketball program.

Although I hope I am wrong I am looking for a taker on a bet that Muller is gone from ISU before the start of the 2019 season. Let me know Redbirdwarrior if you are interested.

Silly me, but I woulda thought the $$ saved on his remaining contract could fund the next coach.

:clap:

 

[Bird Friend]

Silly me, but I woulda thought the $$ saved on his remaining contract could fund the next coach.

Absolutely if you want to go out and find a cheap coach as a replacement.

So Muller is a cheap coach? Another coach would have to cost more than Muller?

 

[MPE773]

Love seeing Dan get a new deal, but a $50,000 buyout is insignificant. Its acknowledgment to Dan that they won't try to hold him back, I guess, and that's fair.

Interesting point.

Look at the terms of Ben Jacobson's buyout:

"Jacobson and his agent cannot seek, discuss or negotiate with another school about a coaching vacancy without notifying athletic director Troy Dannen.
If Jacobson leaves UNI for another school before May 31, 2017, the Panthers would be owed 50 percent of whatever dollar amount remains on the contract. The buyout dips to 40 percent if Jacobson departs prior to May 31, 2019, and 30 percent prior to 2024."

Since his ten year deal was worth nearly $10 Million, it appears that in the beginning, the buyout would be almost $5 million.

It would gradually decrease as they owed him less and less money, but they tied him firmly to the team for at least 3-4 years.

ISU didn't try to do that with Dan, acknowledging that if he's offered big bucks, he will likely have earned them with success at ISU.

That's fair, and a good idea. You don't want him there when he doesn't want to be there. N. Iowa has slipped some since Jake's deal, so I wonder if his deal isn't biting into money that they need for other things.

Stop getting in the way of "fans" shitting on this contract extension Bombay!"