Hawkins looking at Gonzaga and New Mexico

[ISU FAN 1]

I still for some reason have a small feeling he isn't going anywhere

Well if he doesn't graduate, he isn't going anywhere, including here, if I'm not mistaken.

Why couldn't he play here? Hawkins and Muller "reclassified" Deontae as a senior, for whatever purpose, prior to the season. Not graduating just shuts the door to the graduate transfer option. He could come back and finish his degree at ISU, and play ball. He has another year of eligibility here if he wants it. Now, would he come back and take the 12 hours each semester required to be a scholarship athlete .... all to fulfill the class or two he needs to get his degree? I'm guessing not. Even though he could cruise (quit going to class) the 2nd semester like the one and done players at Kentucky do. On the other hand, do I really think Deontae was going to seriously pursue a Masters degree? No. IMO, if grad transfer option doesn't pan out, he heads overseas. My gut says Deontae has already put ISU in his rearview mirror.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Do you think if we made it to the ncaa tourney, we'd be a destination and not a stepping stone for these guys? I still think that DH's punishment/agreement with Muller was that he was done after this season, but maybe Mikyle would have stayed. I think just getting in once would change the course of transfers of our best players.

Winning alone, ala last year, is not going to keep good players at ISU if they are talented enough to play at a higher level, especially if they have redshirted. ISU getting to the NCAA tourney and winning a few games combined with ISU raising the profile of their basketball program should eliminate most of the lure of going to higher profile programs/conferences. Working against ISU retaining their talented players is the ongoing decline/demise of the MVC and the revenue growth of the major conferences. Muller has his work cut out regarding retaining talent as how does one convince a kid to pass up the chance to player at a higher level with more fandom when playing sports at the highest level with bright lights is all they seem to desire/care about. I am not certain there is an answer to that question. A split in Div 1 college basketball similar to FBS/FCS doesn't seem far-fetched anymore due to the revenue disparity.

ISU needs to get itself into money game of college sports as there is a lot of it out there. I thought it was mind-boggling that the big ten conference was going to be paying each member university $32.1 million beginning this year. That did not last long as they are increasing the payout to $51.1 million beginning in 2018 due to strong revenue growth. There is no way ISU is going to be able to compete with any big ten member (or other major conferences) long term unless something material chances at ISU. I was part of the bandwagon that wanted changes at ISU sports to move it forward. I am starting to realize it is most likely too late (due to huge money disparity) to make a meaningful change so ISU sports as we know it is ISU sports of the future.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/20/pac-12/

As for Hawkins those that speculate that Muller may have had enough I believe they are likely right. If that is the case I support Muller as we have a lot of young/new players on this team and having a 24/25 year old veteran that has shown he is a bit of a rebel leading a group of 18/19 year olds is far from ideal. I hope Hawkins ends up where he can be happy and it is a win win for both him and ISU.

I agree that we'll probably never see that kind of money, but why does that prevent us from competing? We have a slick facility, state of the art locker rooms/facilities, along with a beautiful campus. Last I checked, you're not allowed to pay prospective athletes, so why does lack of access to that kind of money prevent us from competing? Not being antagonistic, just wondering....

 

[Joe_Y]

Do you think if we made it to the ncaa tourney, we'd be a destination and not a stepping stone for these guys? I still think that DH's punishment/agreement with Muller was that he was done after this season, but maybe Mikyle would have stayed. I think just getting in once would change the course of transfers of our best players.

Winning alone, ala last year, is not going to keep good players at ISU if they are talented enough to play at a higher level, especially if they have redshirted. ISU getting to the NCAA tourney and winning a few games combined with ISU raising the profile of their basketball program should eliminate most of the lure of going to higher profile programs/conferences.

You can spend all the money you have, but until you make the big dance, that's when you raise your profile. Potential recruits and fans come around with winning.

 

[Bird Friend]

I still for some reason have a small feeling he isn't going anywhere

Well if he doesn't graduate, he isn't going anywhere, including here, if I'm not mistaken.

Why couldn't he play here? Hawkins and Muller "reclassified" Deontae as a senior, for whatever purpose, prior to the season. Not graduating just shuts the door to the graduate transfer option. He could come back and finish his degree at ISU, and play ball. He has another year of eligibility here if he wants it. Now, would he come back and take the 12 hours each semester required to be a scholarship athlete .... all to fulfill the class or two he needs to get his degree? I'm guessing not. Even though he could cruise (quit going to class) the 2nd semester like the one and done players at Kentucky do. On the other hand, do I really think Deontae was going to seriously pursue a Masters degree? No. IMO, if grad transfer option doesn't pan out, he heads overseas. My gut says Deontae has already put ISU in his rearview mirror.

Maybe he has a year, maybe he doesn't. I'm not sure what the rules are regarding academic non-qualifiers. Does he have to graduate? Don't know. Still had to make grades, did he do that? Don't know.

I agree in that I don't think he's coming back.

 

[DWRedbird]

Well if he doesn't graduate, he isn't going anywhere, including here, if I'm not mistaken.

Why couldn't he play here? Hawkins and Muller "reclassified" Deontae as a senior, for whatever purpose, prior to the season. Not graduating just shuts the door to the graduate transfer option. He could come back and finish his degree at ISU, and play ball. He has another year of eligibility here if he wants it. Now, would he come back and take the 12 hours each semester required to be a scholarship athlete .... all to fulfill the class or two he needs to get his degree? I'm guessing not. Even though he could cruise (quit going to class) the 2nd semester like the one and done players at Kentucky do. On the other hand, do I really think Deontae was going to seriously pursue a Masters degree? No. IMO, if grad transfer option doesn't pan out, he heads overseas. My gut says Deontae has already put ISU in his rearview mirror.

Maybe he has a year, maybe he doesn't. I'm not sure what the rules are regarding academic non-qualifiers. Does he have to graduate? Don't know. Still had to make grades, did he do that? Don't know.

I agree in that I don't think he's coming back.

To get his 5th year he only needs to complete 80% of his course work toward his degree before the start of his 5th year. I would assume if he is on the border of graduating, he's done that, and would be eligible to play here another year here if all parties agree, if he doesn't graduate.

I don't think all parties would agree.

 

[reggieman]

He has another visit scheduled for 1:30pm next Thursday

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

He has another visit scheduled for 1:30pm next Thursday

Won't be quite as enjoyable as Albuquerque and Spokane.

 

[SgtHulka]

He has another visit scheduled for 1:30pm next Thursday

Thanks O Windy One. Your finger on the pulse of the McLean County Justice system is what makes life worth living.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Why couldn't he play here? Hawkins and Muller "reclassified" Deontae as a senior, for whatever purpose, prior to the season. Not graduating just shuts the door to the graduate transfer option. He could come back and finish his degree at ISU, and play ball. He has another year of eligibility here if he wants it. Now, would he come back and take the 12 hours each semester required to be a scholarship athlete .... all to fulfill the class or two he needs to get his degree? I'm guessing not. Even though he could cruise (quit going to class) the 2nd semester like the one and done players at Kentucky do. On the other hand, do I really think Deontae was going to seriously pursue a Masters degree? No. IMO, if grad transfer option doesn't pan out, he heads overseas. My gut says Deontae has already put ISU in his rearview mirror.

Maybe he has a year, maybe he doesn't. I'm not sure what the rules are regarding academic non-qualifiers. Does he have to graduate? Don't know. Still had to make grades, did he do that? Don't know.

I agree in that I don't think he's coming back.

To get his 5th year he only needs to complete 80% of his course work toward his degree before the start of his 5th year. I would assume if he is on the border of graduating, he's done that, and would be eligible to play here another year here if all parties agree, if he doesn't graduate.

I don't think all parties would agree.

Would assume he's close to graduating. Or this dalliance with BC, NM, and Gonzaga is a complete charade.

 

[Redbirdfan21]

He has another visit scheduled for 1:30pm next Thursday

Thanks O Windy One. Your finger on the pulse of the McLean County Justice system is what makes life worth living.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[DWRedbird]

Maybe he has a year, maybe he doesn't. I'm not sure what the rules are regarding academic non-qualifiers. Does he have to graduate? Don't know. Still had to make grades, did he do that? Don't know.

I agree in that I don't think he's coming back.

To get his 5th year he only needs to complete 80% of his course work toward his degree before the start of his 5th year. I would assume if he is on the border of graduating, he's done that, and would be eligible to play here another year here if all parties agree, if he doesn't graduate.

I don't think all parties would agree.

Would assume he's close to graduating. Or this dalliance with BC, NM, and Gonzaga is a complete charade.

I would agree.

Just my opinion on this situation as I have absolutely no inside information, but I would guess that he has met all requirements to play another year here, but part of his punishment from last year was that last year was his last year at ISU. If I had to make another guess, he is close to graduating, but it is probably in question of whether or not he will make it by the time of fall enrollment, which could explain why a lot of teams aren't investing a lot of time in trying to bring in a kid of his talent level.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Do you think if we made it to the ncaa tourney, we'd be a destination and not a stepping stone for these guys? I still think that DH's punishment/agreement with Muller was that he was done after this season, but maybe Mikyle would have stayed. I think just getting in once would change the course of transfers of our best players.

Winning alone, ala last year, is not going to keep good players at ISU if they are talented enough to play at a higher level, especially if they have redshirted. ISU getting to the NCAA tourney and winning a few games combined with ISU raising the profile of their basketball program should eliminate most of the lure of going to higher profile programs/conferences. Working against ISU retaining their talented players is the ongoing decline/demise of the MVC and the revenue growth of the major conferences. Muller has his work cut out regarding retaining talent as how does one convince a kid to pass up the chance to player at a higher level with more fandom when playing sports at the highest level with bright lights is all they seem to desire/care about. I am not certain there is an answer to that question. A split in Div 1 college basketball similar to FBS/FCS doesn't seem far-fetched anymore due to the revenue disparity.

ISU needs to get itself into money game of college sports as there is a lot of it out there. I thought it was mind-boggling that the big ten conference was going to be paying each member university $32.1 million beginning this year. That did not last long as they are increasing the payout to $51.1 million beginning in 2018 due to strong revenue growth. There is no way ISU is going to be able to compete with any big ten member (or other major conferences) long term unless something material chances at ISU. I was part of the bandwagon that wanted changes at ISU sports to move it forward. I am starting to realize it is most likely too late (due to huge money disparity) to make a meaningful change so ISU sports as we know it is ISU sports of the future.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/20/pac-12/

As for Hawkins those that speculate that Muller may have had enough I believe they are likely right. If that is the case I support Muller as we have a lot of young/new players on this team and having a 24/25 year old veteran that has shown he is a bit of a rebel leading a group of 18/19 year olds is far from ideal. I hope Hawkins ends up where he can be happy and it is a win win for both him and ISU.

I agree that we'll probably never see that kind of money, but why does that prevent us from competing? We have a slick facility, state of the art locker rooms/facilities, along with a beautiful campus. Last I checked, you're not allowed to pay prospective athletes, so why does lack of access to that kind of money prevent us from competing? Not being antagonistic, just wondering....

Not just ISU that will struggle to compete rather all non big money athletic programs will be challenged. If a coach is talented and a winner those money schools can pay millions more in compensation to take a coach away and they can afford to pull the trigger quickly on buying out a coach if he fails. ISU may have nice locker rooms/facilities but far from state of the art when comparing them to what is going on at the upper end of college athletics. In the next few years we could see some college athletic programs approach 1/4 of a billion dollars of annual revenue with the bottom of the big ten going well over $100,000,000 annually. Those schools have the best of everything and are in the media nonstop. High visibility with superior resources is tough tough competition when trying to compete recruiting and retaining talented coaches.

 

[Source]

He's at NM this weekend.

 

[Source]

Visiting LSU this weekend

 

[fdbird83]

Visiting LSU this weekend

Shreveport?

 

[Source]

Visiting LSU this weekend

Shreveport?

Ha! No , the real one.

 

[CB2K]

Maybe he can get on at Oregon and challenge MM for playing time.

 

[DWRedbird]

Maybe he can get on at Oregon and challenge MM for playing time.

If Altman can handle P'Allen Stinnett I'm guessing he could handle Hawkins. That said, I don't see Altman going out of his way at Oregon to bring in either one of them...

 

[Bird Friend]

Maybe he can get on at Oregon and challenge MM for playing time.

If Altman can handle P'Allen Stinnett I'm guessing he could handle Hawkins. That said, I don't see Altman going out of his way at Oregon to bring in either one of them...

Didn't he already bring in MM?

 

[DWRedbird]

Maybe he can get on at Oregon and challenge MM for playing time.

If Altman can handle P'Allen Stinnett I'm guessing he could handle Hawkins. That said, I don't see Altman going out of his way at Oregon to bring in either one of them...

Didn't he already bring in MM?

Sorry I meant either Stinnett or Hawkins or players like them.