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[RedbirdFanatic32]

This is what I meant yesterday about Kool and. The we almost had em attitude. Hey, fellas that game goes in the loss column still. All the ref excuses. Lol. It wasn't the refs guys. It was Dan showing he can't coach. Oh, it was Sy being out. Most teams have someone out. Next man up. All the excuses that show up after games. No, those go on Dan. He is the head coach in a top tier mid major conference.

I think it's fair to conclude "koolaid" from those comments in a vacuum. But the more likely truth is that most of the posters of those comments, feel (and have probably already posted) that it's time for Dan to go, and that his mistakes have led to losses, and with that point being made, they focus on the additional things going on in a game. They could have the inverse perspective to your kool-aid view: that posters that solely focus on the Dan problem are ignoring the many other factors that impact the game, and are just going over what we already know/agree on. The situation at ISU is like being caught in a traffic jam. Some want to solely focus on the situation that caused it. Others acknowledge what caused it and now focus on things that compound it in the more immediate vicinity. Neither one is wrong per se, but I think a kool-aid drinker (at least in my view) would be a poster who would claim after every L that our next game will start the run that'll make everything better, want to give Dan an extension, etc. People pointing out questionable officiating happens at every game in every sport at every fan base. Its a big umbrella (80% 90?) if all those fans are kool-aid drinkers. Jason Garrett needed to be fired in Dallas, but does that mean they can't talk about the Dez Bryant catch that wasn't a catch, without being labeled a Garrett sympathizer?

 

[gobirds85]

The last two games pretty much sums up this season for us. Both were VERY winnable and we didn't. Decision making down the stretch leaves something to desire. I wish Reeves would drove with 6 or so seconds left, drew contact, and force the refs to make a call. This way the officials are more likely to call a foul with 4-5 secs left as opposed to 1 sec left. Most refs, I believe, do not want to decide the game by making a call with 1-2 secs left, but as I post this I realize we have been on the wrong end of this scenario numerous times.

Thursday night now looks more and more like a reality. Year #4 in a row. Can we start a Moral Victory tournament? Invite teams that shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't.

Also, why don't they do something about positioning mics closer to the students. It sounds horrible on the telly. Everyone I talk to who has been to a game says it's louder than what is presented on the Ocho. Just my .1.5 cents...

 

[Birdfriend72]

I think it's fair to conclude "koolaid" from those comments in a vacuum. But the more likely truth is that most of the posters of those comments, feel (and have probably already posted) that it's time for Dan to go, and that his mistakes have led to losses, and with that point being made, they focus on the additional things going on in a game. They could have the inverse perspective to your kool-aid view: that posters that solely focus on the Dan problem are ignoring the many other factors that impact the game, and are just going over what we already know/agree on. The situation at ISU is like being caught in a traffic jam. Some want to solely focus on the situation that caused it. Others acknowledge what caused it and now focus on things that compound it in the more immediate vicinity. Neither one is wrong per se, but I think a kool-aid drinker (at least in my view) would be a poster who would claim after every L that our next game will start the run that'll make everything better, want to give Dan an extension, etc. People pointing out questionable officiating happens at every game in every sport at every fan base. Its a big umbrella (80% 90?) if all those fans are kool-aid drinkers. Jason Garrett needed to be fired in Dallas, but does that mean they can't talk about the Dez Bryant catch that wasn't a catch, without being labeled a Garrett sympathizer?

Now now- you are comparing apples to oranges remember? NFL players and Coaches make millions. Dan is a volunteer- here doing goodwill work. That’s what some have said.

 

[Redbird Alum 2004]

The last two games pretty much sums up this season for us. Both were VERY winnable and we didn't. Decision making down the stretch leaves something to desire. I wish Reeves would drove with 6 or so seconds left, drew contact, and force the refs to make a call. This way the officials are more likely to call a foul with 4-5 secs left as opposed to 1 sec left. Most refs, I believe, do not want to decide the game by making a call with 1-2 secs left, but as I post this I realize we have been on the wrong end of this scenario numerous times.

Thursday night now looks more and more like a reality. Year #4 in a row. Can we start a Moral Victory tournament? Invite teams that shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't.

Also, why don't they do something about positioning mics closer to the students. It sounds horrible on the telly. Everyone I talk to who has been to a game says it's louder than what is presented on the Ocho. Just my .1.5 cents...

To be fair the students were on their phones until about 2 minutes left on the game. Some looked like they were required to be there then I remembered it was Greek night. There are a small amount of students though that sit in the front on the north end that are great each game.

 

[gobirds85]

To be fair the students were on their phones until about 2 minutes left on the game. Some looked like they were required to be there then I remembered it was Greek night. There are a small amount of students though that sit in the front on the north end that are great each game.

Yea, I have seen that way too many times, but that happens at a lot of games throughout the country. Give them free food, t shirts, etc. Make it fun to attend a game. Winning also wouldn't hurt.

 

[Birdfriend72]

The last two games pretty much sums up this season for us. Both were VERY winnable and we didn't. Decision making down the stretch leaves something to desire. I wish Reeves would drove with 6 or so seconds left, drew contact, and force the refs to make a call. This way the officials are more likely to call a foul with 4-5 secs left as opposed to 1 sec left. Most refs, I believe, do not want to decide the game by making a call with 1-2 secs left, but as I post this I realize we have been on the wrong end of this scenario numerous times.

Thursday night now looks more and more like a reality. Year #4 in a row. Can we start a Moral Victory tournament? Invite teams that shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't.

Also, why don't they do something about positioning mics closer to the students. It sounds horrible on the telly. Everyone I talk to who has been to a game says it's louder than what is presented on the Ocho. Just my .1.5 cents...

This is exactly right. There is no guarantee you are going to get the call- but don’t wait til there is 1 second left in the game to force the official to make a call. If this were an isolated game- I would whine about officiating. However, this is two games in a row someone has whined about the refs. The team needs to put themselves in position to not let the official make a call that affects the outcome of the game. Again, if you would have told me Liam were to get 14 points in the game I would have said we win.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

This is exactly right. There is no guarantee you are going to get the call- but don’t wait til there is 1 second left in the game to force the official to make a call. If this were an isolated game- I would whine about officiating. However, this is two games in a row someone has whined about the refs. The team needs to put themselves in position to not let the official make a call that affects the outcome of the game. Again, if you would have told me Liam were to get 14 points in the game I would have said we win.

There’s a huge difference between the bad refs of Evansville where our team didn’t adjust and the bad refs of last night. Reeves and Lewis were both fouled and did not get a call. You can’t adjust for that. Roman Penn was getting less contact called on the other end.

 

[Birdfriend72]

There’s a huge difference between the bad refs of Evansville where our team didn’t adjust and the bad refs of last night. Reeves and Lewis were both fouled and did not get a call. You can’t adjust for that. Roman Penn was getting less contact called on the other end.

Hey, those are the breaks dude. You want to blame someone- blame someone that is 0-8 on the game. Blame someone that started that is 1-4. That’s 1-12 from two of your key players. You have to be better than that- specially at home. Going on the radio and making comments about the refs isnt going to change the outcome of the game…nor can you control that. You can control who is in and out of the game. Who is big in crunch time! Trust me- I know it’s frustrating as heck. I know someone is going to say- Dan doesn’t have a deep bench or he is playing minus Sy. Do a better job with player development.

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

Now now- you are comparing apples to oranges remember? NFL players and Coaches make millions. Dan is a volunteer- here doing goodwill work. That’s what some have said.

Someone has made the claim that Dan isn't getting paid by the University and is just a volunteer? If true, please direct me to that post. I'd love to have a conversation with that person. You wouldn't be using sarcasm in response to a well meaning and honest post now would you? Because that would seem misleading and distracting from the issue/topic. Which it seems is your grievance about posters not focusing more on Dan not being good enough.

 

[Birdfriend72]

Someone has made the claim that Dan isn't getting paid by the University and is just a volunteer? If true, please direct me to that post. I'd love to have a conversation with that person. You wouldn't be using sarcasm in response to a well meaning and honest post now would you? Because that would seem misleading and distracting from the issue/topic. Which it seems is your grievance about posters not focusing more on Dan not being good enough.

Yes, sarcasm. There is a reason for it- but not going to rehash it!

 

[TBS_20]

He might be paid by a booster but he'd still getting paid

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Hey, those are the breaks dude. You want to blame someone- blame someone that is 0-8 on the game. Blame someone that started that is 1-4. That’s 1-12 from two of your key players. You have to be better than that- specially at home. Going on the radio and making comments about the refs isnt going to change the outcome of the game…nor can you control that. You can control who is in and out of the game. Who is big in crunch time! Trust me- I know it’s frustrating as heck. I know someone is going to say- Dan doesn’t have a deep bench or he is playing minus Sy. Do a better job with player development.

Player development or, specifically, lack there of, is one of the main reasons Muller has failed as a head coach.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Player development or, specifically, lack there of, is one of the main reasons Muller has failed as a head coach.

The Andrews kid is a great example of this. Didn’t he hold an offer from VCU amongst others? Most our guys don’t see offers of that level. I thought he would be a good player, yet he can’t find the floor. Dan yanked him last night after he couldn’t handle a poor pass from his guard. Didn’t think it was his fault, yet he rides the pine. Can just tell that kid has no confidence and will be bolting after the season.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Player development or, specifically, lack there of, is one of the main reasons Muller has failed as a head coach.

You don't think Strong, Tone, Chatman and now McChesney and Flemming Jr. games have developed? I know we are still waiting to see improvement from a a few other (Washington, Andrews, etc.) but it's not like the team isn't better now than the beginning of the season.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

You don't think Strong, Tone, Chatman and now McChesney and Flemming Jr. games have developed? I know we are still waiting to see improvement from a a few other (Washington, Andrews, etc.) but it's not like the team isn't better now than the beginning of the season.

I guess my point is that it doesn't have to be a matter of everyone one sucks or everyone is great...there is a middle ground.

 

[Birdfriend72]

I guess my point is that it doesn't have to be a matter of everyone one sucks or everyone is great...there is a middle ground.

Everyone doesn't suck. We had some key contributions last night. Those contributions kept us in the game. If Strong and Liam don't have good games we lose by 20. The margin of error has dwindled with the injury to Chatman...even with Chatman, we weren't a top 4 team in the Valley. The key is going to be can these guys be consistent contributors. That's the difference between being a good team and a mediocre team.

 

[ISU86]

Now now- you are comparing apples to oranges remember? NFL players and Coaches make millions. Dan is a volunteer- here doing goodwill work. That’s what some have said.

Nobody has said that ... @ss

 

[DWRedbird]

You don't think Strong, Tone, Chatman and now McChesney and Flemming Jr. games have developed? I know we are still waiting to see improvement from a a few other (Washington, Andrews, etc.) but it's not like the team isn't better now than the beginning of the season.

I think they have improved, but I don't know that it was necessarily Muller that did it. I think we could attribute it more to Rob Johnson, who specializes in player development (its even listed in his ISU Bio). I think Muller does a great job of identifying talent, but I think when it gets here he doesn't have a whole lot of idea of what to do with it.

 

[Yogi]

Tuff Tuff loss we got what we wanted our best player taking a shot to win the game but missed Even damn good teams have games like that. 10games to go as a fan hope we win out. Not drinking any thing just a fan. I have issues with Dan but that is above my pay grade. GO YOU REDBIRDS

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

On that topic of development, wasn't Abdou supposed to be really good too? He's ok, but I remember when he picked us over Wichita and everyone was stoked. Hasn't seemed to really deliver on the initial hype.