Coach Shortlist

[TIMMY]

Why would Mark Turgeon or Dana Altman go from making multi millions of dollars a year to making 250k a year? There are bigger schools that will give them more money than we could ever dream of. Those are pipe dreams. Beyond a pipe dream.

I think you can add Archie Miller to your list of millionaires.

 

[BTbird]

Same with Jans, why would he leave NMSU for ISU? I'm not sure ISU is a better job than NMSU. New Mexico is nice territory. Those mountains around Las Cruces look very nice. I hate to make people pay forever for one sin, I suspect he's learned his lesson from the Bowling Green incident. I'd take him I guess.

Jans has a base salary of 290k at NMSU.

 

[Bird Friend]

Why would Mark Turgeon or Dana Altman go from making multi millions of dollars a year to making 250k a year? There are bigger schools that will give them more money than we could ever dream of. Those are pipe dreams. Beyond a pipe dream.

 

[MadBird]

Pipe dream??

 

[GhostofMBA]

ISU MUST BE THE FIRST D1 SCHOOL TO MAKE A FEMALE HEAD COACH! DO NOT LET MAINE PASS US UP! WE NEED TO BE FIRST. HIRE THE BEST FEMALE COACH NOW!


I am not joking. The program has nothing else going for it after Dan killed it. Cannot afford a high-priced coach either. With donations, seat renewals, attendance, ect extremely low, how much longer is the guaranteed Learfield money before it dries up as well?

How Edniesha Curry became Division I men's basketball's only female coach

There hadn't been a female assistant coach in Division I men's basketball in 16 years until Maine hired Curry earlier this spring.

sports.yahoo.com

Might as well go full on and get it over with.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

ISU MUST BE THE FIRST D1 SCHOOL TO MAKE A FEMALE HEAD COACH! DO NOT LET MAINE PASS US UP! WE NEED TO BE FIRST. HIRE THE BEST FEMALE COACH NOW!


I am not joking. The program has nothing else going for it after Dan killed it. Cannot afford a high-priced coach either. With donations, seat renewals, attendance, ect extremely low, how much longer is the guaranteed Learfield money before it dries up as well?

How Edniesha Curry became Division I men's basketball's only female coach

There hadn't been a female assistant coach in Division I men's basketball in 16 years until Maine hired Curry earlier this spring.

sports.yahoo.com

Might as well go full on and get it over with.

Hiring a female just to be the first is dumb. Hiring the most qualified that we can afford is correct. I’d love Becky Hammon but no shot she comes to the college game.

 

[ISU86]

Funny how most everyone thinks they are on the same page (change is needed) but then it quickly splinters (who should be next).

 

[GhostofMBA]

Hiring a female just to be the first is dumb. Hiring the most qualified that we can afford is correct. I’d love Becky Hammon but no shot she comes to the college game.

You seem to have missed this part: HIRE THE BEST FEMALE COACH NOW!

Are you saying that some of the best female BBall coaches out there are worse than Dan? I am really curious what the yearly salary ceiling is for the next coach at ISU. Is it $200K? If so around that pay area, then would one of the best female BBall coaches take a possibly pay cut to the first head coach of a D1 men's program? I do not believe ISU has anything else going for it to keep up competitively pay wise for men's coaches, especially after Dan's debacle and ISU being financially stuck.

 

[Jeppson4ever]

Altman is a top 10 coach in the sport. Oregon isn’t firing him for 1 bad year. Dana may want a change of scenery eventually, but he recruits nationally. He could get a job anywhere and there are ADs who’d fire their coaches to hire him.

Turgeon is a completely different story. Yes he’s rich and he likely has a resume to get another job in P5. But I don’t know if there will be a fit/mutual interest with the jobs that will could be available (uga, ga tech, nc state, Clemson, south carolina, Miami, FL, Arizona state, washington, nw, Cal, candy, Pitt, stanford, Ksu, mizzou). Only KSU and Mizzou meet his stated goal of getting back to this Midwest, but not sure he’d want to go that route as a KU guy. Moreover, there is no guarantee that he will be wanted by any of these schools. But due to the number of possibilities, I’m guessing he’ll stumble into something. SMU or Tulsa could be realistic landing spots.

Archie will be in the mix of a lot of the same schools I mentioned for Turgeon, but will be a hotter commodity in my opinion because of his ties. He’s from Pittsburgh area and played at nc state. Last year there were rumors of Larranega retiring at Miami. The names floated there were Miami natives Anthony Grant and Frank Martin and Cuonzo was floated too. Dayton has been up and down, but grant has fared better than other two and could be top candidate. He may also be candidate at Florida where he was a long time AC. Dayton is his alma mater so he may not want to leave and Dayton may not want to fire him if things go south. But an Archie reunion could work in everyone’s favor.

Jans would have been a candidate if we had let Dan go when many first started wanted him to go a few years ago. I think he got a raise this past offseason so the dollar figure another poster mentioned may be a bit low. While Im guessing he’d prefer living in his native Midwest as opposed to Las cruces, he can go to the tourney regularly with more fan support. Plus, I don’t know if ISU can pay him more. Bryce Drew is a similar story,

if you want a sitting HC, Nagy is probably the best possibly gettable candidate. But with the state of the isu and the valley, I’m not sure he is gettable. The same could be said for Groce at Akron.

But I wouldn’t disqualify Powell for just being an AC. Another Few AC is off to a hot start arizona. Duke and Unc hired ACs with no experience and IU hired a nba guy with no college HC experience. With more coaches having blemishes on their resumes, don’t be surprised to see the trend of hiring ACs continue.

 

[Bird Friend]

How ‘bout this guy?

 

[Commit2theBird]

Altman is a top 10 coach in the sport. Oregon isn’t firing him for 1 bad year. Dana may want a change of scenery eventually, but he recruits nationally. He could get a job anywhere and there are ADs who’d fire their coaches to hire him.

Turgeon is a completely different story. Yes he’s rich and he likely has a resume to get another job in P5. But I don’t know if there will be a fit/mutual interest with the jobs that will could be available (uga, ga tech, nc state, Clemson, south carolina, Miami, FL, Arizona state, washington, nw, Cal, candy, Pitt, stanford, Ksu, mizzou). Only KSU and Mizzou meet his stated goal of getting back to this Midwest, but not sure he’d want to go that route as a KU guy. Moreover, there is no guarantee that he will be wanted by any of these schools. But due to the number of possibilities, I’m guessing he’ll stumble into something. SMU or Tulsa could be realistic landing spots.

Archie will be in the mix of a lot of the same schools I mentioned for Turgeon, but will be a hotter commodity in my opinion because of his ties. He’s from Pittsburgh area and played at nc state. Last year there were rumors of Larranega retiring at Miami. The names floated there were Miami natives Anthony Grant and Frank Martin and Cuonzo was floated too. Dayton has been up and down, but grant has fared better than other two and could be top candidate. He may also be candidate at Florida where he was a long time AC. Dayton is his alma mater so he may not want to leave and Dayton may not want to fire him if things go south. But an Archie reunion could work in everyone’s favor.

Jans would have been a candidate if we had let Dan go when many first started wanted him to go a few years ago. I think he got a raise this past offseason so the dollar figure another poster mentioned may be a bit low. While Im guessing he’d prefer living in his native Midwest as opposed to Las cruces, he can go to the tourney regularly with more fan support. Plus, I don’t know if ISU can pay him more. Bryce Drew is a similar story,

if you want a sitting HC, Nagy is probably the best possibly gettable candidate. But with the state of the isu and the valley, I’m not sure he is gettable. The same could be said for Groce at Akron.

But I wouldn’t disqualify Powell for just being an AC. Another Few AC is off to a hot start arizona. Duke and Unc hired ACs with no experience and IU hired a nba guy with no college HC experience. With more coaches having blemishes on their resumes, don’t be surprised to see the trend of hiring ACs continue.

All the schools you’ve mentioned hiring ACs are high majors though with sustained success. Two things ISU doesn’t have going for it. I’m just not looking forward to the beginning years of a first time head coach. Somebody like Powell, should he see success after 3-4 seasons here will be gone and we are back to square one. I agree though with having to still pay Muller, I can’t imagine ISU offers top dollar for any coach.

 

[Jeppson4ever]

All the schools you’ve mentioned hiring ACs are high majors though with sustained success. Two things ISU doesn’t have going for it. I’m just not looking forward to the beginning years of a first time head coach. Somebody like Powell, should he see success after 3-4 seasons here will be gone and we are back to square one. I agree though with having to still pay Muller, I can’t imagine ISU offers top dollar for any coach.

There is some truth to the fact that being a high major with sustained success afforded them the ability to hire unproven commodities as HCs. But a big part of those hires also have to do with the fact that there were no consensus proven candidates that were both gettable and appealing to the fan base. Duke was always going to hire a Duke guy but but K’s ACs have failed as HCs to some degree so it was easier to sell promoting an AC as coaching waiting.

Similarly, there are some serious blemishes on the resumes of all the experienced HCs I’ve listed here. Thus, to try to get someone with more upside, it isn’t crazy for an AC at top 5 program to be a top candidate here especially when is a right fit in many ways. If whoever ISU has so much success that he is hired away in 3-4 years, that is a great problem to have as it means we have finally danced again. Also, not every coach that tastes success is going to jump at every opportunity. Jacobson (Minnesota I believe) Lowery (Michigan), and Porter (St. Johns) are all examples of modern MVC HCs who have turned down better jobs to stay and wait for something even better. With Powell, it probably also helps that his two dream HC jobs were both 1 seeds last March and probably won’t come open for a while.

You could also get some HC experience on the bench in a Phil Martelli-like AC role. You get what pay for and ISU couldn’t afford someone with actual HC success. But you could possibly hire Ray G. (If SLU wants more of a recruiter), or a guy like Judson (coached Powell), Steve McClain, Jay Spoonhour, or even Molinari (though I think he is a part of Bc’s new staff).

 

[Redbird222]

I think I posted last year Powell and Jerrance Howard (assistant coach Kansas and now Texas). Both have ties to central Illinois.

If you prefer someone with coaching experience, I would consider Dennis Gates from Cleveland St. He was an assistant coach at Florida St prior to that.

 

[TBS_20]

I think I posted last year Powell and Jerrance Howard (assistant coach Kansas and now Texas). Both have ties to central Illinois.

If you prefer someone with coaching experience, I would consider Dennis Gates from Cleveland St. He was an assistant coach at Florida St prior to that.

gates is a great option, as well

 

[stats]

If you are looking for “names” the coach of Sanford is named Bucky. At least they are 7-2 and have beaten Oregon State

What is going on with Oregon State this year? They were elite 8 last year and picked to finish 2 spots ahead of Arizona in the Pac 12 this year. They are currently 1 and 9 as Jim Les and UC-Davis beat them last night.

 

[StLRedbird]

Didn't SIU have to suck it up and live with a few years of Burrah Hinson when they let Lowery move on early? IIRC, they paid him $100K or maybe $125. I have no idea what we have available to pay, but attendance numbers with 2 handles don't make me very optimistic.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Didn't SIU have to suck it up and live with a few years of Burrah Hinson when they let Lowery move on early? IIRC, they paid him $100K or maybe $125. I have no idea what we have available to pay, but attendance numbers with 2 handles don't make me very optimistic.

There you go! Bring in Barry Hinson to help him fulfill his dream of coaching for every team in the valley!

 

[stats]

Didn't SIU have to suck it up and live with a few years of Burrah Hinson when they let Lowery move on early? IIRC, they paid him $100K or maybe $125. I have no idea what we have available to pay, but attendance numbers with 2 handles don't make me very optimistic.

Hinson actually lasted 7 years. His first three years with SIU, they finished 19th, 6th and 9th. His next 4 years with him they finished 4th-t, 3rd-t, 2nd, 3rd-t. Then they parted ways and brought in Mullins. Mullins then finished 5th and 9th. I would imagine this year is a crucial one for him.

 

[TBS_20]

He'd be perfect. Hes never made the tournament. You would think dumb luck would get us in at some point. 0-23

 

[ISUBird]

gates is a great option, as well

Only 2 full years and only 1 winning season. If he does well this year I could see trying to get him.