24 Hrs Later

[birdballfan]

What was the height at Hoopsfest this year? Chastian was putting on a show their too...

:text-+1:

I'm not expecting him or anyone to be some sort of savior, but a "moderately more athletic version of Gassman" period, end of story? Silly uninformed observation. Good ball handler, above average passer, good court vision, fairly more than moderately more athletic than the second most unathletic member of our roster. If his skills translate to this leveling will be a nice addition.
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I saw Chastain play in the state playoffs two years ago. He was athletic against the level he was playing against. Tallest kid on court. Could not dribble with his left hand at all. Could not go left (shot right-handed layups from left side). Had a decent shot (unguarded).
He was let go by Loyola who has subsequently presented Lucas Williamson to us all (a 2/3 who is athletic, can defend and shoot as a frosh).

I hope Chastain turns out great, but he didn’t pick ISU and then was let go by our new rivals to the north.

So to sit here and expect him to be a large contributor next year just doesn’t seem to add up. Maybe in 2-3 years he will be a solid contributor at ISU. I hope so.

But we need guard depth next year. We don’t need a third small forward.
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I also saw him play when a senior in hs. He is very talented regardless the competition he played against! Would MJ or LeBron be as talented as they are/were had they played at small hs's??? Not comparing Matt to them but talent is talent. Loyola did not sign a release for him to play at another mvc school either. V's glass isn't half empty its usually dry as a bone!

 

[Redbrd1]

Chastain is not a 2 guard. When last I saw him, he was a moderately more athletic version of Gassman.

Yep! This guys not going to scare any opponents let’s put it that way. Great guy, but I go back to what I said on another thread, he’s not our ticket to the big dance.

I don't think anybody thinks he's THE ticket to the dance next year. What most are saying is that he's going to be good contributor and not a drag on resources.

I'd agree with that. But my point, same as the other threads, we need players who can ELEVATE the program, not "not a drag on resources". Can Chastain ELEVATE the program... no, sorry guys.

 

[cpacmel]

I dunno how good Chastain will be.

But I absolutely know that that he was not "let go" by Loyola.

Please enlighten us all. Facts only please.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/family-squabbles-in-the-mvc-nah/

Chastain told Jim Benson (@Pg.Benson) of the Pantagraph that after a year in Chicago, he knew he wanted to go school a little closer to home.

“The big thing with me coming out of high school is that I didn’t want to be super close to home, and I went away and realized I wanted to be close to home,” said Chastain, who is enrolled in summer classes at ISU.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Holy hell, we have a whole new crop of glass half empties now. Welcome to all of you who will spend LITERALLY THE FIRST DAY OFF THE OFFSEASON decrying a guy who was a 2000 point scorer, a state champion and a consensus all state player as somehow an afterthought and someone who does not "elevate" the program.

You guys want to get realistic here? Guys like Chastain (3 stars, all state, 2000 points in a small conference) is your new mid major goal. You think you are going to see Fred Van Vleet or Shaq Morris level players in the Valley anymore? Nope.

How on earth can you look at a kid like Chastain and be like "well, thats not going to help?" It boggles my mind.

Well, he sat on that bench all year and learned the scheme. Like it or not, expect him to be in your 2018-19 Redbird lineup A LOT. And you know, what? I couldn't be more excited about that.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

I dunno how good Chastain will be.

But I absolutely know that that he was not "let go" by Loyola.

Please enlighten us all. Facts only please.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/family-squabbles-in-the-mvc-nah/

Chastain told Jim Benson (@Pg.Benson) of the Pantagraph that after a year in Chicago, he knew he wanted to go school a little closer to home.

“The big thing with me coming out of high school is that I didn’t want to be super close to home, and I went away and realized I wanted to be close to home,” said Chastain, who is enrolled in summer classes at ISU.

This is the forum equivalent to getting dunked on in MW fashion. Well executed, CP.

 

[Redbrd1]

Holy hell, we have a whole new crop of glass half empties now. Welcome to all of you who will spend LITERALLY THE FIRST DAY OFF THE OFFSEASON decrying a guy who was a 2000 point scorer, a state champion and a consensus all state player as somehow an afterthought and someone who does not "elevate" the program.

You guys want to get realistic here? Guys like Chastain (3 stars, all state, 2000 points in a small conference) is your new mid major goal. You think you are going to see Fred Van Vleet or Shaq Morris level players in the Valley anymore? Nope.

How on earth can you look at a kid like Chastain and be like "well, thats not going to help?" It boggles my mind.

Well, he sat on that bench all year and learned the scheme. Like it or not, expect him to be in your 2018-19 Redbird lineup A LOT. And you know, what? I couldn't be more excited about that.

The quote above is the problem with the Valley now.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it doesn't mean i don't hope/expect more from ISU. Otherwise, what you're telling me is, this is the best I can hope for as an ISU fan and we missed our opportunity 20 years ago to leave the Valley like Creighton and WSU.

Although, i would like to point out... WSU was not great before GM got there and yet... somehow he reeled in the two you mention above. Why can't i expect that of Dan... i can guarantee you he expects that of himself.

 

[Redbrd1]

Please enlighten us all. Facts only please.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/family-squabbles-in-the-mvc-nah/

Chastain told Jim Benson (@Pg.Benson) of the Pantagraph that after a year in Chicago, he knew he wanted to go school a little closer to home.

“The big thing with me coming out of high school is that I didn’t want to be super close to home, and I went away and realized I wanted to be close to home,” said Chastain, who is enrolled in summer classes at ISU.

This is the forum equivalent to getting dunked on in MW fashion. Well executed, CP.

No it's not... (and for the record i'm not saying leaving the city didn't have something to do with it), but it's not like Kaza was probably going around telling all the people at his new school he got booted, probably something like the above... wanted to be closer to home crap.

But it didn't change the fact he got booted.

 

[SgtHulka]

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/family-squabbles-in-the-mvc-nah/

This is the forum equivalent to getting dunked on in MW fashion. Well executed, CP.

No it's not... (and for the record i'm not saying leaving the city didn't have something to do with it), but it's not like Kaza was probably going around telling all the people at his new school he got booted, probably something like the above... wanted to be closer to home crap.

But it didn't change the fact he got booted.

P!ease enlighten us all. Facts only please

 

[cpacmel]

More: https://www5.cob.ilstu.edu/mtchast/about-me/

I spent my first year of college at Loyola Chicago. It was a much different experience than I ever thought I would have. I came from a very small farm town and I did not even live inside the city limits so to move into Chicago and have class right near Michigan Ave. everyday was very different. I decided at the end of last year that I wanted to come back home to continue playing basketball and go to school.

Something else to ponder...if Moser booted Chastain from Loyola, he could have been on scholarship this past season at ISU. Because He chose to leave them he has to be a year removed (walk-on, pay his own way) before he can attempt to earn a scholarship.

Do people really think Porter Moser would boot an injured player off scholarship too? Wow :shock:

 

[cpacmel]

Oh man, even his former teammate is caught up in the deception. :naughty:

http://www.iosconews.com/sports/national/article_e7a71c53-4d62-5e94-8320-ed4dfdd422b0.html

“I know he missed home and that’s why he went back. It’s weird seeing him there (at ISU), but I’m happy for their success too,” Baughman said.

 

[SgtHulka]

I think it's all a huge left wing conspiracy trying to discredit V Boy and Redbrd1. The depths that Chastain has gone to to setup this ruse :liar: Sad :snooty:

 

[Redbrd1]

More: https://www5.cob.ilstu.edu/mtchast/about-me/

I spent my first year of college at Loyola Chicago. It was a much different experience than I ever thought I would have. I came from a very small farm town and I did not even live inside the city limits so to move into Chicago and have class right near Michigan Ave. everyday was very different. I decided at the end of last year that I wanted to come back home to continue playing basketball and go to school.

Something else to ponder...if Moser booted Chastain from Loyola, he could have been on scholarship this past season at ISU. Because He chose to leave them he has to be a year removed (walk-on, pay his own way) before he can attempt to earn a scholarship.

Do people really think Porter Moser would boot an injured player off scholarship too? Wow :shock:

Never said he was booted just commenting on how players always use the “closer to home” argument no matter what the circumstances are.

Regarding Matt it was a mutual thing.

 

[Redbrd1]

Oh man, even his former teammate is caught up in the deception. :naughty:

http://www.iosconews.com/sports/national/article_e7a71c53-4d62-5e94-8320-ed4dfdd422b0.html

“I know he missed home and that’s why he went back. It’s weird seeing him there (at ISU), but I’m happy for their success too,” Baughman said.

Again, I go back too... doesn’t mean it was t mutual. I’ll admit I don’t know who initiated the convo but I don’t think it matters.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Oh man, even his former teammate is caught up in the deception. :naughty:

http://www.iosconews.com/sports/national/article_e7a71c53-4d62-5e94-8320-ed4dfdd422b0.html

“I know he missed home and that’s why he went back. It’s weird seeing him there (at ISU), but I’m happy for their success too,” Baughman said.

 

[V Boy]

I dunno how good Chastain will be.

But I absolutely know that that he was not "let go" by Loyola.

Please enlighten us all. Facts only please.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/family-squabbles-in-the-mvc-nah/

Chastain told Jim Benson (@Pg.Benson) of the Pantagraph that after a year in Chicago, he knew he wanted to go school a little closer to home.

“The big thing with me coming out of high school is that I didn’t want to be super close to home, and I went away and realized I wanted to be close to home,” said Chastain, who is enrolled in summer classes at ISU.

and in the very same article we have this quote:

“After rehabbing another unfortunate injury and evaluating our roster next season Matt has decided to pursue his career in basketball at another institution.”

It’s that second part of the quote that caught my eye....”and after evaluating our roster next season.”

What do you think Moser is implying there?

 

[DBird]

Please enlighten us all. Facts only please.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/family-squabbles-in-the-mvc-nah/

Chastain told Jim Benson (@Pg.Benson) of the Pantagraph that after a year in Chicago, he knew he wanted to go school a little closer to home.

“The big thing with me coming out of high school is that I didn’t want to be super close to home, and I went away and realized I wanted to be close to home,” said Chastain, who is enrolled in summer classes at ISU.

and in the very same article we have this quote:

“After rehabbing another unfortunate injury and evaluating our roster next season Matt has decided to pursue his career in basketball at another institution.”

It’s that second part of the quote that caught my eye....”and after evaluating our roster next season.”

What do you think Moser is implying there?

Covering his Ass!!

 

[cpacmel]

and in the very same article we have this quote:

“After rehabbing another unfortunate injury and evaluating our roster next season Matt has decided to pursue his career in basketball at another institution.”

It’s that second part of the quote that caught my eye....”and after evaluating our roster next season.”

What do you think Moser is implying there?

Matt evaluated. Matt decided. Who cares his reasoning. It was his call to leave.

You asked for facts. We gave you Chastain quotes, Moser quotes and even a teammate's quote.

It's your turn. What do you have to prove your notion that he was let go from Loyola? #FakeNews
:angry-tappingfoot:

 

[V Boy]

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/family-squabbles-in-the-mvc-nah/

and in the very same article we have this quote:

“After rehabbing another unfortunate injury and evaluating our roster next season Matt has decided to pursue his career in basketball at another institution.”

It’s that second part of the quote that caught my eye....”and after evaluating our roster next season.”

What do you think Moser is implying there?

Covering his Ass!!

Really? Honestly?

I am reading these articles a lot differently than other people must be reading them.

Moser’s quote to me says....Chastain is a great kid, but the injury combined with the ballers we’ve brought in here basically means he is going to have a very hard time getting on the court. In lieu of this he has decided to leave the program.

Then..:oof....Chastain enrolls at ISU and is on the Redbirds team.

Then Muller feels compelled to call Moser to explain the situation before it becomes public.

I don’t doubt for a second that there was no foul play by Muller here......but if people actually believe that the No. 1 driving force of Chastain being at ISU was because he was homesick, well then I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree.

Moser basically laid it out there for you as discretely as he could that Chastain was unlikely to play.

We can split hairs on being “let go” or “leaving”. But the bottom line appears to be Loyola’s Head coach’s concern about Chastain not being able to get on the court.

And our fans seem to think he will be on the court for ISU.

So I read that as....ISU fans think they know more about Chastain than Loyola’s coach. Yes that Loyola coach. The one that recruited Krutwig and Williamson and who just kicked the crap out of our team on national TV Loyola coach.

So while you guys are trying to protect our new player who may or may not get on the court at ISU....Moser is out recruiting the next Williamson to replace Custer.

When the people on this board start expecting Williamsons and stop protecting Chastains is when this program turns the corner.

 

[Bird Friend]

Could it also be read that Matt knew his knee wasn't going to be ready for the season (which we know to be true since he wasn't cleared to practice until late December) and really didn't relish the idea of sitting and watching another season in Chicago?

Interesting thing is Porter was the first to offer Chastain and that's why Matt went there. If Porter is out recruiting the Williamsons, does that mean he saw Chastain as a Williamson at the time he was recruiting him? Because as I read what you're saying, V Boy, is Porter recruits Williamsons.

We really don't know what would have happened had Matt not blown his knee. He was playing. Would he have continued to play? Would he have sat this year just because Porter recruited Williamson or would he have continued to play? We don't know. We don't know how much he might have improved with a full season of PT last year. We don't know how much the knee will hold him back next year, if at all.

All we know is Matt blew out his knee. He missed a large portion of last year. He would've missed at least the non-conf season for Loyola this season. The rest is all conjecture.

I'm pretty sure he would have been and will be a bench upgrade for our team. We needed a bench upgrade this year and certainly need it next year. That's really all I'm hoping for from Matt next season.

 

[BIGfan]

I have seen MC play. He is a baller. The knee is a worry. but, if he is healthy... he could be a starter on any MVC team. I would not want to draw him in a man-to-man assignment. He has some m o o o ves.