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Probably because outside of Lewis the guards are better. I’d argue Liam is more 3 than stretch forward. For me the starting lineup with 4 scholarships to go would be:

1: Sandage
2: Burford
3: McChesney
4: Lewis
5: Schmitt

Could go small and slide another guard in and move McChesney/Lewis to 4/5.
With 4 scholarships remaining I would hope they could get a SG with size (6'-4"to 6'-7") or a legitimate post player that would start over Schmitt.
 

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Probably because outside of Lewis the guards are better. I’d argue Liam is more 3 than stretch forward. For me the starting lineup with 4 scholarships to go would be:

1: Sandage
2: Burford
3: McChesney
4: Lewis
5: Schmitt

Could go small and slide another guard in and move McChesney/Lewis to 4/5.

I'd say your lineup looks good, though I'd guess, based off limited knowledge of some of our incoming guys, that Sandage likely comes off the bench, and Buford is in the PG spot with Poindexter at the 2. I think Liam could play the 3 if he can dribble well enough, but my guess is with his height, he'll likely be a stretch 4 and Lewis could end up playing more 3.
 
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I think Liam could play the 3 if he can dribble well enough, but my guess is with his height, he'll likely be a stretch 4 and Lewis could end up playing more 3.
Have you watched those two play? Zero shot Lewis is a 3 in anyway. Liam actually has a perimeter game. Lewis has added an okay 3 pt shot, but that was a new development this past year to his game.
 

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Have you watched those two play? Zero shot Lewis is a 3 in anyway. Liam actually has a perimeter game. Lewis has added an okay 3 pt shot, but that was a new development this past year to his game.

Lewis played the 3 at times last year when we went with big lineups, at times drifting out beyond the 3pt line to either shoot 3s. I think personally he is better as a 4 (stretch 4), same with Liam, but Lewis has better dribbling ability than Liam. There is also no way Liam can guard the typical 3.

There is more to being a 3, than just being able to shoot 3s...
 

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Have you watched those two play? Zero shot Lewis is a 3 in anyway. Liam actually has a perimeter game. Lewis has added an okay 3 pt shot, but that was a new development this past year to his game.
Lewis played the 3 at times last year when we went with big lineups, at times drifting out beyond the 3pt line to either shoot 3s. I think personally he is better as a 4 (stretch 4), same with Liam, but Lewis has better dribbling ability than Liam. There is also no way Liam can guard the typical 3.

There is more to being a 3, than just being able to shoot 3s...
Liam has the better perimeter game on offense but to me in the mvc they are still both stretch 4s imo. Lewis shot 37.5% from 3 where Liam shot 30% from 3. where it gets iffy with me is on defense and or bringing the ball up the court. Not sure Liam can guard Cooper Neese, Isiah Mosley or undersized traditional mvc guards on the perimeter and not sure I want him dribbling the ball up the court. I liked them both on the court at the same time but in spurts, kind of depending on matchups for me.
 

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They'll both get plenty of court time; they had better be pretty much interchangeable, because both are foul prone.
 

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Lewis played the 3 at times last year when we went with big lineups, at times drifting out beyond the 3pt line to either shoot 3s. I think personally he is better as a 4 (stretch 4), same with Liam, but Lewis has better dribbling ability than Liam. There is also no way Liam can guard the typical 3.

There is more to being a 3, than just being able to shoot 3s...
I think the issue with this discussion has been the same issue that the team has had over the past 3-4 years, way to much concern about scoring and not enough about being able to get rebounds and match up/ play defense. Last year they scored plenty(especially before losing Chatman) , just couldn’t stop anybody with decent size and couldn’t get any rebounds. In my mind, the best couple of games the Birds played last year we’re when the staff was caught off guard by loss of players and forced to play both McChesney and Lewis at the same time at 3-4 and not trying to score much, just rebound and play defense. Any team can usually play with a couple of role players on the court- the problems happened when these guys started to try and play the 3 in last year’s offense. Can they make a 3, sure, so can I 25-30% with No challenge and all the time; not their current game yet it always seemed that instead of changing the offense to take advantage of their size against a 3, we tried to have these stretch 4’s try to play a shooting guard spot-up shooter posItion. still Hoping to get another 5, a 4 and use these guys skill set( and I hope that they also work on their game and get to that pro-style shooting 4 skill set).
 

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It seems like Pedon and staff have seen something in Kotov. Maybe they can squeeze done production out of him. It will be interesting what his game is like.
 
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Kotov was a top 100 Juco guy before he got injured and missed a ton of time. Then he got here and didn’t play much. Redshirted(?) this year. I’m not saying he’ll be a solid contributor, but let’s not write him off completely.
 

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We are all anxious to see what PF's and Centers we can add through the portal. What if Pedon/staff feel we already have some
pieces in HS, Kotov and Schmidt. These 3 guys needed something to CHANGE in their college hoops journey - they'd shown no
Traction in consistency.

It's been mentioned before that Pedon is following his Blueprint of what he outlined on Day 1. He also said it was his belief in keeping
things Simple in players approach. To me, if the staff can get through to HS, AK and Schmidt to find their niche, Focus and Excel at it
the 3 may be Contributors. If you listened closely to the recent interviews with both young AC's and they said they are Recruiting some
to stay. All of these 3 have their portal chip to use so it's very likely the staff sees something in them.............my buddy tell me to just let
the dust settle and then we'll see what we got but I'm ok in Trusting Pedon through this transition. Interesting times - Go Birds.
 

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In my expert opinion - :rolleyes: - part of any player's productivity is being used "correctly" by the coach. I don't mean for this to be any kind of criticism of the past, trying to stir things up, just saying sometimes you don't get put in the right spot to be successful. Asking guys to do things they can't (or won't). Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, so to speak. I've said on the board several times before, I always thought Sissoko brought it, he hustled and looked like he wanted to be out there. Sometimes good things happened, sometimes not. Schmitt looks coordinated, has some nice skills, but also seemed averse to mixing it up and yet got into foul trouble. Kotov also looked coordinated but never seemed to see the floor enough to get a gauge on what he could do. Hoping this staff sees something in each, has a plan to get them physically ready to compete (Schmitt especially in the weight room and "jumping" drills, etc.), and a scheme to use them in a way that brings out their best. We'll see.
 

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In my expert opinion - :rolleyes: - part of any player's productivity is being used "correctly" by the coach. I don't mean for this to be any kind of criticism of the past, trying to stir things up, just saying sometimes you don't get put in the right spot to be successful. Asking guys to do things they can't (or won't). Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, so to speak. I've said on the board several times before, I always thought Sissoko brought it, he hustled and looked like he wanted to be out there. Sometimes good things happened, sometimes not. Schmitt looks coordinated, has some nice skills, but also seemed averse to mixing it up and yet got into foul trouble. Kotov also looked coordinated but never seemed to see the floor enough to get a gauge on what he could do. Hoping this staff sees something in each, has a plan to get them physically ready to compete (Schmitt especially in the weight room and "jumping" drills, etc.), and a scheme to use them in a way that brings out their best. We'll see.
I've always liked Sissoko. Has not been a great 3 point shooter, but is capable of playing in the post (against other 4s) and can finish inside. So far, I haven't seen him as a great defender on the perimeter because it seems he struggles to move laterally with quicker opponents, but he seems to be a decent interior defender. Favorite part of his game is how he rebounds. He has a solid frame and would always go up strong for rebounds. In the 2020-21 season he had games of 10, 9, and 8 rebounds. I think he can be a good back up for us this year depending on how he develops.
 

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I've always liked Sissoko. Has not been a great 3 point shooter, but is capable of playing in the post (against other 4s) and can finish inside. So far, I haven't seen him as a great defender on the perimeter because it seems he struggles to move laterally with quicker opponents, but he seems to be a decent interior defender. Favorite part of his game is how he rebounds. He has a solid frame and would always go up strong for rebounds. In the 2020-21 season he had games of 10, 9, and 8 rebounds. I think he can be a good back up for us this year depending on how he develops.
He can show some crazy athleticism, and can score fairly well in the paint.
 
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