11/24 2pm CST Vs. Lindenwood Redbird Arena

[ricohill]

Ya know,, telling folks to move down to the lower bowl is a pretty risky proposition. Some will then not buy the more expensive, singe game lower bowl tix, hurting revenue. This is why you will never ever hear any program do this. Full disclosure -- this is from a guy who has owned upper bowl season tix since RA opened.

And yeah, Our announced attendance number is butts in the seats. You can tell the debbie downers by how they always seem to guess way low. If you want padded numbers, head over to the Bradley box scores.

Thanks for the response. Let's simplify it then and apply it to only Lindenwood and Cleveland State (December 16th) while students are gone. Let's only open it up to the seats behind the basket where the students sit. Lindenwood was the equivalent of an exhibition game since they weren't division 1. Cleveland State pre-season was ranked 290th. I believe their only division 1 win has been against SC State with a pre-season is 341st. Nevertheless, the place will be empty and the product will be bad. I think bringing down the lower bowl people could help revenue in the long run because these are your most likely candidates to get lower bowl season tickets in the future. Let's get them involved. It will only help the atmosphere, which will be needed in this game.

ISU isn’t interested in gaining more fans. They want to keep the 2,000 lower bowl season tickets holders left happy.

 

[bb fan]

What a shame we want to keep season ticket holders happy They play a premium price for a ticket to every game, whether they can be there are not. Most everyone gives significant $$$ to WSF. These are the most reliable customers. So heck, let's start offering $5 tickets. Let's let folks move down to the lower bowl. Let's do tons of stuff that will devalue what season tix holder do for our program. And let's do all of this just ahead of a total lower bowl reseating which will likely happen this spring ahead of the lower bowl redesign.

It is a tricky balance, dealing with sports event consumers. We are looking for more fans, all the time. But I think the old addage still applies -- keep your best customers happy all the time. You know about the cost of losing one good customer, right? Most every college sports team is bleeding customers. I certainly hope we don't alienate our best customers.

 

[SgtHulka]

Going into the game, I was going to count Stupid Passes and Dumb shots - first half I got 8 and 4, second half was better at 4 and 3 - for a total of 12 Stupid Passes and 7 Dumb shots. Of course, I did not have a category for mindless dribbling into a crowd to lose the ball - that was 4. Although Gassman was 0-6 from three - only counted one of those as a Dumb shot - in hindsight, maybe all should be. Sad part is - the majority of these passes and shots are coming from Seniors - very frustrating.

I did not consider the fatigue aspect - but, I would agree with that as a factor.

As for attendance - I thought it was around 3,500-3,700 - based on experience. The problem for you folks who only watch on TV - the cameras only show one side - the least populated side. As for the Upper Bowl to Lower Bowl - I choose to sit in the Upper Bowl to see better. If I wanted to sit in the lower bowl yesterday - I could have easily, walked down and sat there. I had season tickets ONE year in the lower bowl - it Sucked, way to snobbish for me - the folks in the Upper Bowl tolerate me because I yell a lot.

Seemed to me that the Birds were making a concerted effort in the 2nd half to get the ball to Ike to take the shot. They're trying to get him out of his shooting funk and Lindenwood was a good team to do this against. I don't think you'll see him much against BYU, SDSU, or Ole Miss . . . unless his shot starts falling.

I said the same thing.during the game

 

[SgtHulka]

Going into the game, I was going to count Stupid Passes and Dumb shots - first half I got 8 and 4, second half was better at 4 and 3 - for a total of 12 Stupid Passes and 7 Dumb shots. Of course, I did not have a category for mindless dribbling into a crowd to lose the ball - that was 4. Although Gassman was 0-6 from three - only counted one of those as a Dumb shot - in hindsight, maybe all should be. Sad part is - the majority of these passes and shots are coming from Seniors - very frustrating.

I did not consider the fatigue aspect - but, I would agree with that as a factor.

As for attendance - I thought it was around 3,500-3,700 - based on experience. The problem for you folks who only watch on TV - the cameras only show one side - the least populated side. As for the Upper Bowl to Lower Bowl - I choose to sit in the Upper Bowl to see better. If I wanted to sit in the lower bowl yesterday - I could have easily, walked down and sat there. I had season tickets ONE year in the lower bowl - it Sucked, way to snobbish for me - the folks in the Upper Bowl tolerate me because I yell a lot.

"Tolerate" may be a stretch.

We sat in the lower bowl.For two years then moved back up. I prefer the view from our section. Can see all side lines clearly, can watch the benches and see plays develop. Also the angle of does is steeper so your not staring at the back.of a head if you're short like the wife, and we like the regular people around us .Jbird gets great views of the players cheering from the bench

 

[stats]

We sat in the lower bowl.For two years then moved back up. I prefer the view from our section. Can see all side lines clearly, can watch the benches and see plays develop. Also the angle of does is steeper so your not staring at the back.of a head if you're short like the wife, and we like the regular people around us .Jbird gets great views of the players cheering from the bench

I know several people that feel the same that they prefer the upper bowl over the section where the students sit behind the basket. I now sit in the lower bowl, but for years I sat in the upper bowl. I would bring my kids (that didn't have other activities) and often my kid's friends. I often times had no idea how many tickets I needed, so season tickets in the lower bowl was not a good option back then.

With the Cleveland State game coming up over Christmas break and Cleveland Sate being as bad as they are, it looks bad to have all of those seats empty behind the basket.......especially with families sitting upstairs. I seriously doubt that doners would feel cheated if this happened for a game.

 

[Tpguy]

The handicapped seats are nice and roomy and you can put your good leg on the rail in front of you.

 

[Hamdonger]

The handicapped seats are nice and roomy and you can put your good leg on the rail in front of you.

We'll use the good leg for a limbo contest at the next redbirdfan.net kegger.

"Get yourself a limbo girl
Give that chic a limbo whirl
There's a limbo moon above
You will fall in limbo love
Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go unda limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let's do the limbo rock"

 

[Reggie Redbird]

I think if you started giving away tickets to a lot of games, including the key ones, you would find us cutting sports, having less money to pay coaches, etc because a lot of season ticket holders would give up their seats and join in for the free/cheap tickets.

From a financial standpoint, the athletic department as a whole needs 3-4k season ticket holders more than it needs 4,000 additional fans paying $5 per seat. For example, if you have two lower bowl seats in the four middle sections, you are paying $1,000 in WSF donations just for those seats, as well as $580 in ticket prices. If you have FB seats, any WSF donations for those are separate from the $1,000 for your MBB seats.

Thus, if you have 500 fans buying season tickets in those sections (taking out the administrations blocks in those areas), you have $250,000 in WSF revenue and $145,000 in season ticket revenue just for those 500 seats. Even if you sold 5,000 extra tickets for your top 5 games at $5 a pop, that's only $125,000 in additional revenue.

Why not try adding selling beer as a revenue enhancer and draw more people for games? Use some of the revenue for additional police overtime and security during the game and in the area after (DUI enforcement). Then use some of the revenue to draw getting people to games, but perhaps not giving away free/ridiculously cheap tickets to every major game we have.

 

[isuquinndog]

I think if you started giving away tickets to a lot of games, including the key ones, you would find us cutting sports, having less money to pay coaches, etc because a lot of season ticket holders would give up their seats and join in for the free/cheap tickets.

From a financial standpoint, the athletic department as a whole needs 3-4k season ticket holders more than it needs 4,000 additional fans paying $5 per seat. For example, if you have two lower bowl seats in the four middle sections, you are paying $1,000 in WSF donations just for those seats, as well as $580 in ticket prices. If you have FB seats, any WSF donations for those are separate from the $1,000 for your MBB seats.

Thus, if you have 500 fans buying season tickets in those sections (taking out the administrations blocks in those areas), you have $250,000 in WSF revenue and $145,000 in season ticket revenue just for those 500 seats. Even if you sold 5,000 extra tickets for your top 5 games at $5 a pop, that's only $125,000 in additional revenue.

Why not try adding selling beer as a revenue enhancer and draw more people for games? Use some of the revenue for additional police overtime and security during the game and in the area after (DUI enforcement). Then use some of the revenue to draw getting people to games, but perhaps not giving away free/ridiculously cheap tickets to every major game we have.

Get out of here with your math! How dare you bring real facts!

 

[birdlife]

i always thought (without investigating, of course) they couldnt allow beer/alcohol because the arena is affiliated with the university. whereas bradley plays in a city-owned venue, so they can sell it there.

 

[Tpguy]

The handicapped seats are nice and roomy and you can put your good leg on the rail in front of you.

We'll use the good leg for a limbo contest at the next redbirdfan.net kegger.

"Get yourself a limbo girl
Give that chic a limbo whirl
There's a limbo moon above
You will fall in limbo love
Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go unda limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let's do the limbo rock"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :naughty:

 

[TheTruth]

What a shame we want to keep season ticket holders happy They play a premium price for a ticket to every game, whether they can be there are not. Most everyone gives significant $$$ to WSF. These are the most reliable customers. So heck, let's start offering $5 tickets. Let's let folks move down to the lower bowl. Let's do tons of stuff that will devalue what season tix holder do for our program. And let's do all of this just ahead of a total lower bowl reseating which will likely happen this spring ahead of the lower bowl redesign.

Well said. I always chuckle when folks think that giving away tickets is the way to build a fan base.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

GoRedbirds.com reports attendance of 3737

That’s pretty generous! I would say 500 in the upper bowl at max! In the lower bowl...hard to believe more than 2000!

You do know all of that is done electronically right? There is nothing being generous.

Just you being biased. #YourEYEtestSUCKS

Maybe ISU is trafficing in fake news.

 

[SgtHulka]

That’s pretty generous! I would say 500 in the upper bowl at max! In the lower bowl...hard to believe more than 2000!

You do know all of that is done electronically right? There is nothing being generous.

Just you being biased. #YourEYEtestSUCKS

Maybe ISU is trafficing in fake news.

Delete your account

 

[ISU FAN 1]

What is it you don’t like about Rey or think that he’s missing that makes you think this?

I like Rey a lot. My point is simply that where he is at in his development he is not ready to be playing major minutes and ISU be competative for a league title. He played well against a D2 opponent.

Let's do a comparison between Rey and Phil to see how much Rey is producing. Granted, it's a small sample size of only 7 games, 2 of which are D2 opponents. But they've both played against the same competition. Let's look at what each player is averaging per 40 minutes:

Phil: 22.25 pts 8.54 rbds 2.92 O-rbds 5.62 D-rbds 5.62 fouls 0.67 assts 2.47 TOs 2.92 blks

Rey: 12.63 pts 13.16 rbds 3.68 O-rbds 9.47 D-rbds 2.63 fouls 0.53 assts 1.05 TOs 1.58 blks


Here's Phil's first year (a year older AND our only real option underneath)
Phil: 14.87 pts 10.31 rbds 4.09 O-rbds 6.23 D-rbds 3.72 fouls 0.74 assts 1.63 TOs 1.86 blks

I know you think he's not good enough (yet) to help us win against D1 competition, but I think he's comported himself quite well. He's a true frosh who doesn't foul and gobbles up rebounds. He has good hands and a softer touch around the basket than I anticipated at this point. It also seems that he doesn't put the ball on the floor when he catches it, and when he feels the double-team he passes out. If he gives us 15 mins/game, I think he's an asset that will really help us through the season.

Nice work. I like Rey. He has surpassed my expectations to this point. Great size and strength. Only question is where is the ceiling? I think he could be a heckuva player.

 

[stats]

We sat in the lower bowl.For two years then moved back up. I prefer the view from our section. Can see all side lines clearly, can watch the benches and see plays develop. Also the angle of does is steeper so your not staring at the back.of a head if you're short like the wife, and we like the regular people around us .Jbird gets great views of the players cheering from the bench

I know several people that feel the same that they prefer the upper bowl over the section where the students sit behind the basket. I now sit in the lower bowl, but for years I sat in the upper bowl. I would bring my kids (that didn't have other activities) and often my kid's friends. I often times had no idea how many tickets I needed, so season tickets in the lower bowl was not a good option back then.

With the Cleveland State game coming up over Christmas break and Cleveland Sate being as bad as they are, it looks bad to have all of those seats empty behind the basket.......especially with families sitting upstairs. I seriously doubt that doners would feel cheated if this happened for a game.

I guess I was wrong.

 

[Adunk33]

Not worthy of a new thread but Lindenwood is going D1 and joining the OVC.

 

[Manchester Matt]

Not worthy of a new thread but Lindenwood is going D1 and joining the OVC.

Absolutely a school to keep our eyes on. From NAIA to D1 in 10 years. Beautiful campus with very nice facilities. As a suburban St. Louis transplant, I was thrilled to hear this news.

 

[Scipio]

We could win by 80 and there would still be a fire Dan Muller page. When he moves up in a couple of years the same fire Muller posters will be complaining how he just used Illinois State as a steppingstone.

Dan may be a good person, but he was a poor coach. 10 years and nothing to show for it is a failure in any thinking person’s book. He may go on to greatness; but I doubt it.

 

[Scipio]

It should be about winning every game! Winning the MVC Championship, winning the MVC Tournament, and a run to the Final Four!!! ALL-IN

Accept reality! This team is not going to win the MVC Tournament. IF they can get out of Thursday that will be an accomplishment.