Why not St. Louis as the location of the FCS National Championship game??

[TIMMY]

I thought the stadium in Frisch was good, but everything else sucked. It was like playing in Elgin, and with fans spread out for 30-40 miles. There was no main area in which to gather the day before the game, after the game, etc. Everything seemed up be a $40 cab ride away, too. I spent two or three times as much on cabs as I did on a flight.

Having a bourbon street, a Beale street, a ballpark village, south beach, etc to go to would be ideal. Instead, the masses were scatter around suburban hotel after hotel.

Right on. I've been to bowl games, final 4's and championship games. Nothing compares to Bourbon Street and NOLA. Bars, restaurants, whatever is a short walk or streetcar ride. Even Bears games are better there. I've been to the new Tulane stadium but not for a game. It's pretty awesome. But money talks and bullshit walks. Frisco apparently steps up with the cash.

 

[JHBird]

A number of reasons why NOT St. Louis.

That said, I’d love to see it rotate. A few options:

- New Orleans at Tulane’s newer Yulman Stadium would be nice. I would probably go down to New Orleans even when the redbirds weren’t playing in the title game because of the setting.

- FAU or FIU stadium

- UNLV’s stadium

- Somewhere in Southern California

UNLV! Who wouldn't want to go to vegas for this? All the cheap rooms and plenty of entertainment. Plus good weather too!

 

[salsa]

Frisco makes more sense than St Louis for any outdoor venue. Both are easy to fly to, so that is a draw. But weather has to be deciding factor, and then venue size. Risk of snow and cold can't ignored.

It just depends on who submits a bid. D2 is now in Kansas City and D3 will be in Canton, Ohio in a couple years. Not exactly warm weather states.

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[fourthandshort]

Frisco makes more sense than St Louis for any outdoor venue. Both are easy to fly to, so that is a draw. But weather has to be deciding factor, and then venue size. Risk of snow and cold can't ignored.

It just depends on who submits a bid. D2 is now in Kansas City and D3 will be in Canton, Ohio in a couple years. Not exactly warm weather states.

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Yes, but I assume the bid will reflect their ability to support the bid with how much game stands to draw relative to travel budgets available. So I'm thinking the economics and logistics of that bid decicion change as you move up or down in divisions. I'm guessing the travel allowance i(air & hotel) is smaller as you move down in divisions and the venue reflects that bid decision. Cooler weather cities will have cheaper flights and hotel rates in 1st wek of January.

 

[Chi-bird]

Frisco makes more sense than St Louis for any outdoor venue. Both are easy to fly to, so that is a draw. But weather has to be deciding factor, and then venue size. Risk of snow and cold can't ignored.

It just depends on who submits a bid. D2 is now in Kansas City and D3 will be in Canton, Ohio in a couple years. Not exactly warm weather states.

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Canton Ohio is a half hour away from Mt. Union, go figure.

 

[Birdswin]

I wrote the Conference Office about hosting the Championship game in St. Louis at the former Edwards Jones Dome. It would be perfect - no worry about the weather (very cold in Frisco), no worry on ticket availability, a huge improvement in playing surface (soccer field is terrible - gets tore up waaay to easy with that sandy base), and it is centrally located. Also, the home city of the Missouri Valley Conference. St. Louis is a good time for Arch Madness - would be great for the National Championship game. Pregame party at Ballpark Village would be outstanding.

 

[fourthandshort]

I wrote the Conference Office about hosting the Championship game in St. Louis at the former Edwards Jones Dome. It would be perfect - no worry about the weather (very cold in Frisco), no worry on ticket availability, a huge improvement in playing surface (soccer field is terrible - gets tore up waaay to easy with that sandy base), and it is centrally located. Also, the home city of the Missouri Valley Conference. St. Louis is a good time for Arch Madness - would be great for the National Championship game. Pregame party at Ballpark Village would be outstanding.

what's your cut ??

:mrgreen:

 

[isuquinndog]

Playing that game in a half empty dome would be the exact sterotype of non FBS/I-AA football that we fight to shed.

The MVC can't fill half the arena for the basketball conference title game. You think two teams from who knows where is going to fill a dome NFL stadium? It would be the worst optic that the NCAA could shine on FCS.

Welcome to the National Title game, we have 15000 of the 70000 seats filled today! What a crowd!

 

[salsa]

Frisco makes more sense than St Louis for any outdoor venue. Both are easy to fly to, so that is a draw. But weather has to be deciding factor, and then venue size. Risk of snow and cold can't ignored.

It just depends on who submits a bid. D2 is now in Kansas City and D3 will be in Canton, Ohio in a couple years. Not exactly warm weather states.

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Yes, but I assume the bid will reflect their ability to support the bid with how much game stands to draw relative to travel budgets available. So I'm thinking the economics and logistics of that bid decicion change as you move up or down in divisions. I'm guessing the travel allowance i(air & hotel) is smaller as you move down in divisions and the venue reflects that bid decision. Cooler weather cities will have cheaper flights and hotel rates in 1st wek of January.

People keep saying they should go to city A or city B as if the NCAA just picks a place and goes there. They have to get bids from places that want to host it. These championships are not huge monkey makers for most cities so an Orlando or Vegas probably has it pretty low on their interest scale. Frisco and Canton and Kansas City are likely more interested because it works better for them. St. Louis could be interested because they have a facility with no football team (although it could be busy with other events).

The other point is people were saying they wouldn't pick cold weather cities, but that's not true. Those cities gave compelling bids (and maybe the only bids) add were selected on a variety of criteria. Cheap airfare likely was not one of them because Cleveland and KC are not cheap cities any time of year.

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[TIMMY]

Agree with Quinn. A big half empty dome is an embarrassment.
Yulman may be too big some years at 30,000. But I have a feeling NOLA would draw a little better than Frisco. At least it's a destination city. Picture it. "Honey I found the perfect vacation spot for this year. That's right! Dallas!" :dance: Who says that? The people in Fort Worth don't want to go to Dallas.

 

[fourthandshort]

Playing that game in a half empty dome would be the exact sterotype of non FBS/I-AA football that we fight to shed.

The MVC can't fill half the arena for the basketball conference title game. You think two teams from who knows where is going to fill a dome NFL stadium? It would be the worst optic that the NCAA could shine on FCS.

Welcome to the National Title game, we have 15000 of the 70000 seats filled today! What a crowd!

I think Mitt Romney learned that lesson the hard way when he ran ??

 

[fourthandshort]

It just depends on who submits a bid. D2 is now in Kansas City and D3 will be in Canton, Ohio in a couple years. Not exactly warm weather states.

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Yes, but I assume the bid will reflect their ability to support the bid with how much game stands to draw relative to travel budgets available. So I'm thinking the economics and logistics of that bid decicion change as you move up or down in divisions. I'm guessing the travel allowance i(air & hotel) is smaller as you move down in divisions and the venue reflects that bid decision. Cooler weather cities will have cheaper flights and hotel rates in 1st wek of January.

People keep saying they should go to city A or city B as if the NCAA just picks a place and goes there. They have to get bids from places that want to host it. These championships are not huge monkey makers for most cities so an Orlando or Vegas probably has it pretty low on their interest scale. Frisco and Canton and Kansas City are likely more interested because it works better for them. St. Louis could be interested because they have a facility with no football team (although it could be busy with other events).

The other point is people were saying they wouldn't pick cold weather cities, but that's not true. Those cities gave compelling bids (and maybe the only bids) add were selected on a variety of criteria. Cheap airfare likely was not one of them because Cleveland and KC are not cheap cities any time of year.

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will admit I am obviously speculating .. but if I am a casual fan considering following my team all the way thru playoffs .. the budget associated with travel costs do come into play. I also think weather is another factor .. cool is one thing, risk of real cold and/or snow storms are another 3 weeks out for Natty.

I assume both area fans (host city) and each teams fans would certainly take that into account when deciding to "make a trip of it" since weather will more likely cooperate in Dallas than in Kansas City or St Louis .. certainly more northern city climates .. especially if they had already traveled to earlier round playoff games. I could be wrong ... but that would be my thought process. So when we made Natty and I looked up flight costs right after we beat UNH in semi's, I thought .. this is cheap and Dallas should be warmer (wrong !!!!), let's book it and go down a little earlier for cheaper flight, which offset the extra night in hotel .. we made a 4 day trip of it ... 3 weeks out, the damn weather turned on me !! And I doubt we would have drawn as many fans in Kansas City as we did in Frisco. St Louis is obviously a different story, since it is just as fast (and cheaper) to drive for most ISU fans.

But that's just my way of thinking. Everyone is different.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Vegas

 

[Reggie]

Why pay a FBS school for an FCS Championship though?

 

[Adunk33]

Why pay a FBS school for an FCS Championship though?

Yep. I mentioned this a few posts ago. Its a bad look for the FCS' "end of season goal" to play at an FBS Stadium.

 

[salsa]

Yes, but I assume the bid will reflect their ability to support the bid with how much game stands to draw relative to travel budgets available. So I'm thinking the economics and logistics of that bid decicion change as you move up or down in divisions. I'm guessing the travel allowance i(air & hotel) is smaller as you move down in divisions and the venue reflects that bid decision. Cooler weather cities will have cheaper flights and hotel rates in 1st wek of January.

People keep saying they should go to city A or city B as if the NCAA just picks a place and goes there. They have to get bids from places that want to host it. These championships are not huge monkey makers for most cities so an Orlando or Vegas probably has it pretty low on their interest scale. Frisco and Canton and Kansas City are likely more interested because it works better for them. St. Louis could be interested because they have a facility with no football team (although it could be busy with other events).

The other point is people were saying they wouldn't pick cold weather cities, but that's not true. Those cities gave compelling bids (and maybe the only bids) add were selected on a variety of criteria. Cheap airfare likely was not one of them because Cleveland and KC are not cheap cities any time of year.

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will admit I am obviously speculating .. but if I am a casual fan considering following my team all the way thru playoffs .. the budget associated with travel costs do come into play. I also think weather is another factor .. cool is one thing, risk of real cold and/or snow storms are another 3 weeks out for Natty.

I assume both area fans (host city) and each teams fans would certainly take that into account when deciding to "make a trip of it" since weather will more likely cooperate in Dallas than in Kansas City or St Louis .. certainly more northern city climates .. especially if they had already traveled to earlier round playoff games. I could be wrong ... but that would be my thought process. So when we made Natty and I looked up flight costs right after we beat UNH in semi's, I thought .. this is cheap and Dallas should be warmer (wrong !!!!), let's book it and go down a little earlier for cheaper flight, which offset the extra night in hotel .. we made a 4 day trip of it ... 3 weeks out, the damn weather turned on me !! And I doubt we would have drawn as many fans in Kansas City as we did in Frisco. St Louis is obviously a different story, since it is just as fast (and cheaper) to drive for most ISU fans.

But that's just my way of thinking. Everyone is different.

That's the decision for casual fans to consider whether they attend. The NCAA is not on the hook for tickets sold. That's up to the local organizing committee. So if Seattle decides it wants to put in a bid for the game and it commits to selling 20k tickets, then it's of them to get rid of them. If Need Organs puts in a bid and they commit to only 10k, the NCAA may pick Seattle because there is more of a guarantee there. The cities submitting the big won factor in hotel and airfare for the official parties (including the teams) the NCAA will be responsible fur, but they aren't going to factor in the travel cost for fans. If they did Salem or Chattanooga likely aren't picked. I would think proximity to major airports pays a factor in the ultimate decision, but the cost part is usually on the backs of the local organizing committee.

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[TIMMY]

Why pay a FBS school for an FCS Championship though?

Yep. I mentioned this a few posts ago. Its a bad look for the FCS' "end of season goal" to play at an FBS Stadium.

It's better to play at a soccer stadium in a place called Frisco?

 

[cpacmel]

Don’t forget the Frisco Bowl!

 

[Adunk33]

Why pay a FBS school for an FCS Championship though?

Yep. I mentioned this a few posts ago. Its a bad look for the FCS' "end of season goal" to play at an FBS Stadium.

It's better to play at a soccer stadium in a place called Frisco?

I think the soccer stadium is better because it's only American football identity is the FCS Championship. I'm all for it moving, but not to an FBS Stadium. I'm sure there are other pro soccer fields around the country that would be similar but in better markets than Frisco.

 

[TIMMY]

D2 football championship