What are you expectations for the season now?

[DoubleDeuce]

I seem to remember a lot of doom and gloom after the Birds started 1-2 in 2016/17. Then went 17-1 in conference. Then anger when we didn't get a bid.

Not saying that's going to happen, but am saying that 2 games is a little too soon to be making predictions about how bad we might be.

Next topic.

Paris Lee was losing PT that year too until he got his head straight over semester break. I still believe everything will come together this season and this thread will be a distant memory. A fun, laughable memory.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

What are my expectations? A friggin' NCAA bid!

Hell Yeah!

 

[TIMMY]

So expectations.
0- 32
My popcorn will suck
The walk from parking lot will suck
Clear bags will suck
New lights will suck
New uniforms still suck
Every promotion will suck
Coaches will suck
Players will suck
The band will suck
The blue hairs will suck
Reggie will suck
Higgins will certainly suck
Bradley will suck
St. Louis will suck
Sucking will suck
Jigga will suck
My ribeye will suck
My Gondola will suck
I blame Patti V. cause she sucks

This post sucks :dance:

You're damn right it does. And so do I. :-?

 

[HT59]

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What are my expectations? A friggin' NCAA bid!

Hell Yeah!

 

[Buffett]

I turned off the TV last night to give myself ample processing time before commenting. Lots of stuff to address--Xs and Os, Belmont's ridiculously impressive debut, our defensive woes. What a letdown! But for me, one talking point stands above the rest:

Dan Muller called Milik Yarborough 'uncoachable.' (As in, incapable of learning or making progress.)

Coach can miss me with that Mike Woodbury/Bob Knight bullshit. As a public school teacher and coach, I'm ashamed of my university right now. There is NEVER a justifiable reason to lob fatalistic character assessments like that onto any kid, especially one like MY. There is ZERO recovery for stuff like that. John Wooden once said that "a coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment." Tell the newspaper that the team needs more defensive effort from the seniors. Tell them on-court leadership is lacking. Don't tell them a kid can't be coached.

Put your big boy pants on, Coach. If you can't motivate kids with baggage and lead, don't recruit them. At worst, maybe call up Chris Jans at New Mexico State or the Detroit Pistons' Dwayne Casey to find out how they succeeded with Zach Lofton when you couldn't.

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Disagree. Being uncoachable is a decision and can be fixed. Ask Johnny Hill. There comes a time when you can call a senior out for simple things like effort. This is a player who was thinking about leaving school to be a pro player. Dan has been covering for this guy for 3 years. I’m sure he’s tried everything. At some point, the truth is the truth. He’s not coachable. He needs to step up and become coachable or face bench time or worst - being let go.

Johnny Hill is on staff at Grand Canyon now

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Going into the season I thought ISU had a decent shot at an at large bid....about a 45% chance. Due to Belmont loss, and more importantly, how the team and staff are not aligned I would drop that to 15%....again the drop is mainly how the team looks and acts and not one bad game . I wonder how much practices are less productive than they should be due to the Milik sh@tshow ?

As for winning Arch Madness I thought our chances of winning there was about 1 in 3 preseason..33% since there was going to be heavy competition. I would drop that a bit not due to Belmont loss but again due to poor team Karma/leadership. Guessing ISU has a 20 or 25 percent of winning the arch.
Plenty of time and opportunities to move ISU’s ncaa tourney chances the other way but team has started out like a wobbly top which is disappointing since most of it is self inflicted

 

[SoCalRedbird]

Going into the season I thought ISU had a decent shot at an at large bid....about a 45% chance. Due to Belmont loss, and more importantly, how the team and staff are not aligned I would drop that to 15%....again the drop is mainly how the team looks and acts and not one bad game . I wonder how much practices are less productive than they should be due to the Milik sh@tshow ?

As for winning Arch Madness I thought our chances of winning there was about 1 in 3 preseason..33% since there was going to be heavy competition. I would drop that a bit not due to Belmont loss but again due to poor team Karma/leadership. Guessing ISU has a 20 or 25 percent of winning the arch.
Plenty of time and opportunities to move ISU’s ncaa tourney chances the other way but team has started out like a wobbly top which is disappointing since most of it is self inflicted

Fair assessment.

I guess the positive is that we still have a chance to do both. I sure hope the players and coaches believe that too. It could be a special year.

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[ISU FAN 1]

I’m done with expectations based on fan hype and Dan’s propaganda machine. The hype is usually hyped, and part of Dan’s job is to the market the program. I’ll just take each game at face value. Expectations have only led to disappointment. Prefer to stay underinvested emotionally in the program.

ISU’s next meaningful game is the first Sunday in March. The next 4 months are just preparation for that day. No reason to put undue significance on game 2.

 

[Tpguy]

I like Timmy

 

[ricohill]

My expectation is to be the in the 3-6 game in St. Louis. Why ruin that tradition of not starting your first game of the Tournament until around 9:15 pm and playing on short rest the entire weekend.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I’m done with expectations based on fan hype and Dan’s propaganda machine. The hype is usually hyped, and part of Dan’s job is to the market the program. I’ll just take each game at face value. Expectations have only led to disappointment. Prefer to stay underinvested emotionally in the program.

ISU’s next meaningful game is the first Sunday in March. The next 4 months are just preparation for that day. No reason to put undue significance on game 2.

Sadly, I agree.

 

[Bird Friend]

I think our chances of winning Arch Madness are as good as they’ve been since Stallings. But that’s not saying much.

 

[bb fan]

I am not gonna change my expectations after one game. Or two games.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I’m done with expectations based on fan hype and Dan’s propaganda machine. The hype is usually hyped, and part of Dan’s job is to the market the program. I’ll just take each game at face value. Expectations have only led to disappointment. Prefer to stay underinvested emotionally in the program.

ISU’s next meaningful game is the first Sunday in March. The next 4 months are just preparation for that day. No reason to put undue significance on game 2.

Well don't set Arch expectations too high either as there are 10 teams and only one winner and there is a strong chance a couple of other teams will be more favored to win it than ISU. ISU has had 21 tries at an at large and 21 tries at a MVC tourney win to enter the NCAA tourney and we are combined ZERO for 42. I think the Arch tournament entry is more enticing to some because it is like a lottery draw...suddenly you are either a winner or loser with very little emotional pain vs going through a long agonizing season.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I am not gonna change my expectations after one game. Or two games.

Question...what were you expecting this year?

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Do we really have to have a thread about how our expectations are fundamentally shifted after a road loss to a perennial tournament team? ISU scored, what, 89 points?

If we get to the Caymen Islands and drop the final, is everyone going to be running around yelling NIT BUBBLE? Get real, you hyperbolic nerds.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I’m done with expectations based on fan hype and Dan’s propaganda machine. The hype is usually hyped, and part of Dan’s job is to the market the program. I’ll just take each game at face value. Expectations have only led to disappointment. Prefer to stay underinvested emotionally in the program.

ISU’s next meaningful game is the first Sunday in March. The next 4 months are just preparation for that day. No reason to put undue significance on game 2.

Well don't set Arch expectations too high either as there are 10 teams and only one winner and there is a strong chance a couple of other teams will be more favored to win it than ISU. ISU has had 21 tries at an at large and 21 tries at a MVC tourney win to enter the NCAA tourney and we are combined ZERO for 42. I think the Arch tournament entry is more enticing to some because it is like a lottery draw...suddenly you are either a winner or loser with very little emotional pain vs going through a long agonizing season.

Nine other teams are striving for the same bid. Statistically, we should only expect to earn that bid once every ten years. We’re obviously underachieving these last 20+ years. Maybe we’re due.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I’m done with expectations based on fan hype and Dan’s propaganda machine. The hype is usually hyped, and part of Dan’s job is to the market the program. I’ll just take each game at face value. Expectations have only led to disappointment. Prefer to stay underinvested emotionally in the program.

ISU’s next meaningful game is the first Sunday in March. The next 4 months are just preparation for that day. No reason to put undue significance on game 2.

Well don't set Arch expectations too high either as there are 10 teams and only one winner and there is a strong chance a couple of other teams will be more favored to win it than ISU. ISU has had 21 tries at an at large and 21 tries at a MVC tourney win to enter the NCAA tourney and we are combined ZERO for 42. I think the Arch tournament entry is more enticing to some because it is like a lottery draw...suddenly you are either a winner or loser with very little emotional pain vs going through a long agonizing season.

Nine other teams are striving for the same bid. Statistically, we should only expect to earn that bid once every ten years. We’re obviously underachieving these last 20+ years. Maybe we’re due.

Yes sir....you would hope we can hold our own and win our one arch madness share every ten years, steal another MVC team's arch madness share once every ten years and then earn an ncaa at large bid once every 15 years....that doesn't sound that unreasonable given ISU's advantages over nearly every other team in the MVC except Loyola...we do that and we are dancing once every 3 to 4 years. Loyola will be the most formidable competition in the MVC going forward, IMO.

 

[Hamdonger]

I do believe the expectation should be a NCAA bid each year, whether through at-large or The Tourney.

Is that realistic? It certainly could be. 20 years is shocking, really. Got to hand it to Donewald, he made us a borderline top 20 program in 83-84-85. Think about that! Then our 70's 'Birds were playing some of the top teams in the country...and beating some of them while playing an exciting brand of up-tempo ball.

Stallings '97-'98 group was ranked 16th in the country pre-season by SI. Arizona was stacked but I believe had we not been missing two starters we would have given them a game in the second half. That was a very seasoned group.

One thing we can all agree on is 20 yrs is tooooo long, and it's especially obvious this year, given the capability of this group.

Will - the - seniors - take - charge ? ? ?

 

[bb fan]

I am expecting an NCAA bid.