vs SIU (2-1) - 1/6/24 - 6 pm - Marquee

[Reggie Redbird]

I asked Mal about that foul he said it was dirty and he will remember it

One that if the Valley reviewed video that could result in some sort of punishment for the player for sure. Not that it matters, but it would have disqualified that player. Intentional blows, especially to the head, should be able to be reviewed even after the game.

There is a difference between SIU’s aggressive style of play and a blatant cheap shot to the head. Does SIU want a 6’9”, 275 Chase sent out there in garbage time to hammer one of their starters? No.

SIU won the game based on their shooting and how we couldn’t shoot. Good for them. It’s hard to respect them as a team and root for them to succeed with shots like that.

 

[Birdfriend72]

To add on to my earlier point… what we define as “success” is so embarrassing. There are guys in the country who can score 6-8 points with ease over the course of a few possessions. When we have a guy score 8 points in a half we talk about it like the offense is humming. It’s sad. We’ve had a player eclipse 20 points in a game four times. How bad is that? Our point guard shoots 56% from the line. Burford shoots 21% from 3. Pops is saying we need to run sets for Malachi and the offense should go through him and he’s 15/59 from three. I realize it’s the middle of the season, but we need to scrap the offense and implement some type of motion. If we are easy to guard and lack skill, it’s going to keep happening. Move. Cut. Screen. The hardest player to guard is a player who is moving around. Right now we just stand in spots. I watched the game back this AM after attending last night and there was a stretch in the first half where we went 14 possessions in a row without a screen away from the ball. The only pressure we ever put on the defense is when Burford drives. It has to change.

AMEN. My point exactly.

 

[Popsto4]

AMEN. My point exactly.

For a a player entering the season being looked at as a key contributor. Does a half of good play deserve the attention of the staff in a way as something to build on? I’d say so. At least it proved he makes the shots that he’s good at making. There’s always more than one way to look at something.

 

[Birdfriend72]

For a a player entering the season being looked at as a key contributor. Does a half of good play deserve the attention of the staff in a way as something to build on? I’d say so. At least it proved he makes the shots that he’s good at making. There’s always more than one way to look at something.

I think all the guys have something to contribute. You may not be a great shooter, but can you cut and can you make a layup? You may not be a skilled big man on offense but can you rebound? Rebound isn't always about being big...but can you box out? Our offense is centered around creating your own shot or chucking a 3. That's not a recipe for success for a bunch of guys struggling to shoot the 3 and can't make free throws.

 

[Popsto4]

I think all the guys have something to contribute. You may not be a great shooter, but can you cut and can you make a layup? You may not be a skilled big man on offense but can you rebound? Rebound isn't always about being big...but can you box out? Our offense is centered around creating your own shot or chucking a 3. That's not a recipe for success for a bunch of guys struggling to shoot the 3 and can't make free throws.

Only speaking of Mal. The baskets he’s got by cutting to the basket are I believe 4 on the entire season. Three of which came from Lieb. Lieb is the only big that looks for cutters consistently enough to make it a thing. They usually come by an offensive rebound from Lieb.

 

[cubird]

An offense where Luke plays almost 28 minutes and gets 1 shot 1-1 and it was at midrange.

 

[Birdfriend72]

Only speaking of Mal. The baskets he’s got by cutting to the basket are I believe 4 on the entire season. Three of which came from Lieb. Lieb is the only big that looks for cutters consistently enough to make it a thing. They usually come by an offensive rebound from Lieb.

That's on coaching. Until that changes we will need to be a hot shooting team to win.

 

[schoolsportsfan]

One that if the Valley reviewed video that could result in some sort of punishment for the player for sure. Not that it matters, but it would have disqualified that player. Intentional blows, especially to the head, should be able to be reviewed even after the game.

There is a difference between SIU’s aggressive style of play and a blatant cheap shot to the head. Does SIU want a 6’9”, 275 Chase sent out there in garbage time to hammer one of their starters? No.

SIU won the game based on their shooting and how we couldn’t shoot. Good for them. It’s hard to respect them as a team and root for them to succeed with shots like that.

Does anyone have the video of the play?

 

[Popsto4]

Does anyone have the video of the play?

I will get it

 

[Birgs]

Only speaking of Mal. The baskets he’s got by cutting to the basket are I believe 4 on the entire season. Three of which came from Lieb. Lieb is the only big that looks for cutters consistently enough to make it a thing. They usually come by an offensive rebound from Lieb.

Amen. I've been asking for that high-post Lieb thing with either contrasting cutters or in-out/screen-roll bunnies.

 

[Alleyoop]

Some speculation here: Some of the players look tentative and tight with the ball in their hands. Are they looking over the shoulders too much? Fear of being yanked? Thinking too much instead of reacting. Analysis-paralysis? I wonder?! 3.2 cumulative GPA on this team. Intelligence is there. I’d like to see the players take full ownership to right this ship. A steel-willed leader or two amongst this team must emerge. Not sure if they have that type of leadership now? They can do it! I don’t see a coaching fix to these problems, but only the necessity for an internal player led fix. I've never stopped believing in the talent on this team, both coaches and players. Also, a question here: am I alone in thinking that the starting 5 were doing pretty well yesterday, and the bottom started falling out when the substitutions began? I would have loved to see that starting group stay on the court longer to see what would have become of it. My gut tells me they could have taken a nice lead. Even with Johnson hitting his 3’s. The other SIU players were shooting poorly at the beginning. Does the old saying, “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it,” apply here?

 

[Scipio]

Friendly reminder that our team has ELEVEN SENIORS…. I am embarrassed. A team this old and with this much experience has got to have more pride than this… AND we should be able to execute better than this.

Like a previous post said - our wings give us NOTHING. How is it that we have Luke, Davis, and Pence give us exactly nothing. Last year we had Seneca with no post play. This year we have post play with Foster but no wing play. It’s a gaping hole to have no threat at the wing offensively. Luke is the type of guy who plays 25 min but has zeros across the board on his stat sheet besides fouls.

Lieb giving us no post play offensively is a major hole as well. Our offense is Burford and Foster. If those two aren’t hitting, we cannot win. Both of these guys specialize in 2s. How is this team so incredibly bad at 3s? Johnny is probably the best shooter on the team. Banks missing all those 3s and FTs was just brutal.

Our offense is abysmal.

All true and well said. I’m watching Belmont v Drake. We’re a LONG way from competing with either. I’m beginning to feel like a Cub fan.

 

[Redbirdfan76]

Malik Dia is a load for Belmont.

 

[SlackBooDom]

Some speculation here: Some of the players look tentative and tight with the ball in their hands. Are they looking over the shoulders too much? Fear of being yanked? Thinking too much instead of reacting. Analysis-paralysis? I wonder?! 3.2 cumulative GPA on this team. Intelligence is there. I’d like to see the players take full ownership to right this ship. A steel-willed leader or two amongst this team must emerge. Not sure if they have that type of leadership now? They can do it! I don’t see a coaching fix to these problems, but only the necessity for an internal player led fix. I've never stopped believing in the talent on this team, both coaches and players. Also, a question here: am I alone in thinking that the starting 5 were doing pretty well yesterday, and the bottom started falling out when the substitutions began? I would have loved to see that starting group stay on the court longer to see what would have become of it. My gut tells me they could have taken a nice lead. Even with Johnson hitting his 3’s. The other SIU players were shooting poorly at the beginning. Does the old saying, “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it,” apply here?

Is there a reason you keep posting the starters should play longer? Which starter are you referring to?

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Malik Dia is a load for Belmont.

Anyone know if Chase has been practicing with the team? Is he 90-100% healthy? If so, pull his redshirt and get him on the floor Wednesday

 

[Alleyoop]

Is there a reason you keep posting the starters should play longer? Which starter are you referring to?

The starting 5.

 

[The Beak]

Northern Iowa just went 1of 15 from deep against Indy State.

 

[jwa123]

All true and well said. I’m watching Belmont v Drake. We’re a LONG way from competing with either. I’m beginning to feel like a Cub fan.

& Bears .

 

[Metamoron]

People going to be upset with some of this but time we discuss it. Does ISU continue to go down the road of trying to be the little big ten, or big whatever? Or do we do something radical and hire a coach and system that is offense, first, second and third? So what we give up 90, we score 94 and win. Running and gunning and attract the players that are pure scorers? But they may also struggle on defense. I am of the opinion that you can teach defense easier than offense. At least it would be a lot more entertaining than watching us not score for 5 minutes at a stretch. A couple years ago Samford hired a coach that was all run and gun. It was actually really fun to watch. I know different conference and all that, but our recent formulas for about 30 years now have not worked. If we ever are going to attract talent in the days of the portal why not concentrate on players that can score at will but maybe get passed over because of their defensive liabilities. Bombs Away!

I am not sure any of the “Grinnell” type teams have been very successful. If we are saying we don’t want to win, we want to entertain, OK. I am not there yet.

 

[SgtHulka]

Some speculation here: Some of the players look tentative and tight with the ball in their hands. Are they looking over the shoulders too much? Fear of being yanked? Thinking too much instead of reacting. Analysis-paralysis? I wonder?! 3.2 cumulative GPA on this team. Intelligence is there. I’d like to see the players take full ownership to right this ship. A steel-willed leader or two amongst this team must emerge. Not sure if they have that type of leadership now? They can do it! I don’t see a coaching fix to these problems, but only the necessity for an internal player led fix. I've never stopped believing in the talent on this team, both coaches and players. Also, a question here: am I alone in thinking that the starting 5 were doing pretty well yesterday, and the bottom started falling out when the substitutions began? I would have loved to see that starting group stay on the court longer to see what would have become of it. My gut tells me they could have taken a nice lead. Even with Johnson hitting his 3’s. The other SIU players were shooting poorly at the beginning. Does the old saying, “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it,” apply here?

I don't get the impression that Pedon is a yanker. Probably was a half dozen incidents last night that I though a player shoulda been yanked and weren't. Mostly for getting burned on back to back possessions on D losing 10 or 24 in a trail of dust.

He may be a bencher. Pence not playing last night (unless he was hurt), Davis,.. I'm sure there are other examples. He may be one of the least yanky coaches we've had in a couple decades for blowing plays.

On another train, we've been great at not turning it over recently while still getting beat. Haven't run the numbers but we seem more likely to win when we turn it over more often.