SIU GAME 1/25

[Trey_Guidry4three]

Also, what did Rey do to get in Muller's dog house? Say he doesn't like Chick Fil A or is pro Bloomington-Normal selling weed?

He comes in 2 minutes, stops Benson, gets an offensive rebound, and they expand the lead by 4 to go up 6. Then never plays again. I get that he missed two shots, but if that gets you benched we wouldn't have anyone available.

Rey is so gone after this year. Add him to the list of guys that will not look in their rearview mirror when they leave !!

 

[MadBird]

I agree with most of the comments so far, sad showing. No sense of leadership from anyone, the offense basically involves everyone getting 20+ feet away from the hoop and working the ball around the arc until someone can chuck one. Every now and then there's a semblance of working together, someone goes down the lane, but mostly, not. Everyone's 20 feet from the hoop, so no one's around to get an offensive rebound.

Something that struck me at the end of the game - so, I got the impression Assistant Coach Jones from N.Dakota was the "offensive coordinator". But at the end during the time out, when the "winning play" was being drawn up, he was not in the huddle, kind of just standing off to the side. What up with that? Has Coach Dan lost confidence in his offensive guy (and I know some here were not impressed with him from the start)? Was Coach Dan just picking from plays Coach Jones already drew up?

Someone mentioned the SIU freshmen, and I noted down the stretch, they had 3 freshman and a transfer and one guy back from last year (McGill I think) hosing us. So much for the problem of getting new guys to work together and learn a system (oh crap, the coach is new too, so the system is new) and play together.

The sad thing is I like some of these guys - Rey, Reeves, Chastain, Ndyiae I'm starting to like. But there's so much crazy and squirrely going on . . . . . .

 

[ricohill]

I agree with most of the comments so far, sad showing. No sense of leadership from anyone, the offense basically involves everyone getting 20+ feet away from the hoop and working the ball around the arc until someone can chuck one. Every now and then there's a semblance of working together, someone goes down the lane, but mostly, not. Everyone's 20 feet from the hoop, so no one's around to get an offensive rebound.

Something that struck me at the end of the game - so, I got the impression Assistant Coach Jones from N.Dakota was the "offensive coordinator". But at the end during the time out, when the "winning play" was being drawn up, he was not in the huddle, kind of just standing off to the side. What up with that? Has Coach Dan lost confidence in his offensive guy (and I know some here were not impressed with him from the start)? Was Coach Dan just picking from plays Coach Jones already drew up?

Someone mentioned the SIU freshmen, and I noted down the stretch, they had 3 freshman and a transfer and one guy back from last year (McGill I think) hosing us. So much for the problem of getting new guys to work together and learn a system (oh crap, the coach is new too, so the system is new) and play together.

The sad thing is I like some of these guys - Rey, Reeves, Chastain, Ndyiae I'm starting to like. But there's so much crazy and squirrely going on . . . . . .

I assume Jones has taken a lesser role on offense. He rarely uses the whiteboard and it’s not just at the end of the game, but he’s less active in all of the huddles.

 

[ricohill]

Also, what did Rey do to get in Muller's dog house? Say he doesn't like Chick Fil A or is pro Bloomington-Normal selling weed?

He comes in 2 minutes, stops Benson, gets an offensive rebound, and they expand the lead by 4 to go up 6. Then never plays again. I get that he missed two shots, but if that gets you benched we wouldn't have anyone available.

Rey is so gone after this year. Add him to the list of guys that will not look in their rearview mirror when they leave !!

That would be sad and we would have zero bigs left.

 

[KingO]

Feel bad for Copeland. Can excuse his turnovers and bad shots because we would lose all these games by another 20-30 without him. Ndiaye played some good minutes. I really like the freshman, hope they stick around.


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[Flying_Redbird]

Feel bad for Copeland. Can excuse his turnovers and bad shots because we would lose all these games by another 20-30 without him. Ndiaye played some good minutes. I really like the freshman, hope they stick around.


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Feel bad for Copeland? He should feel bad for letting his teammates and Redbird nation down. While I agree we’d be in much worse shape offensively without him, Copeland offers no value outside of his scoring. He’s like the Jameis Winston of this year’s Redbird Hoops. Just make him drive to the basket. Turnover machine. He’s not a leader and he doesn’t carry himself like a senior.

 

[Loyl2u]

As with others, walking up and out of Redbird today was pretty depressing. I honestly believe that ISU has more talent than SIU and was on the way to winning this game. Then something happened in the last 10 minutes. The extra passes stopped happening. When HC called TO to talk with Hillsman , I'm not sure whether he was talking about the pull up from 3 points that happen to go in, the previous defensive play were He lost his man and they got a wide open 3 or the play before that when he threw it away- yet unlike everybody else, instead of a substitution, a TO is wasted. What also happened is that Idowu, Ndiaye and Torres didn't see the floor in the last 10 minutes(of course Rey didn't see it in except for 3 minutes in first half). For those interested, here is the +/- for ISU-SIU game 2. I am honestly at a loss as to the substitution patterns and the directed/expected roles for the players.

Individual +/- on floor
min +/- on floor
Torres 11 7.00
Idowu 3 4.00
Hillsman 35 3.00
Boyd 22 1.00
Copeland32 -1.00
Ndiaye 13 -4.00
Fisher 29 -9.00
Reeves 26 -6.00
Horne 26 -13.00

Player Combinations on Floor +/- (15 total)
Torres Reeves Boyd Hillsman Idowu 4
Torres Copeland Boyd Hillsman Ndiaye 4
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Ndiaye 2
Torres Copeland Boyd Hillsman Fisher 2
Horne Reeves Boyd Hillsman Fisher 1
Torres Reeves Copeland Hillsman Idowu 0
Torres Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 0
Horne Copeland Boyd Hillsman Ndiaye 0
Torres Copeland Reeves Hillsman Ndiaye -1
Torres Boyd Reeves Fisher Ndiaye -2
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Ndiaye -2
Horne Reeves Boyd Fisher Ndiaye -2
Horne Copeland Boyd Hillsman Fisher -3
Horne Reeves Copeland Hillsman Fisher -3
Horne Reeves Boyd Hillsman Ndiaye -3

 

[stats]

Thanks for putting that together the plus/minus for combinations. Interesting that Torres and Idowu were the top 2.

 

[Loyl2u]

Thanks for putting that together the plus/minus for combinations. Interesting that Torres and Idowu were the top 2.

As someone else said either here or at the game( can’t remember which) seems like unlike one player who we call a time out to try and coach up; both Rey and Ricky are on very short leashes when they are even given an opportunity. Also, when you think you may only be going on the floor for two minutes and may not get back in, you feel like you have to prove something Immediately and you are going to press.

 

[ricohill]

Thanks for putting that together the plus/minus for combinations. Interesting that Torres and Idowu were the top 2.

As someone else said either here or at the game( can’t remember which) seems like unlike one player who we call a time out to try and coach up; both Rey and Ricky are on very short leashes when they are even given an opportunity. Also, when you think you may only be going on the floor for two minutes and may not get back in, you feel like you have to prove something Immediately and you are going to press.

I think Rey had a short leash yesterday. Ricky had some bad turnovers. I get why he took him out.

 

[DWRedbird]

Thanks for putting that together the plus/minus for combinations. Interesting that Torres and Idowu were the top 2.

As someone else said either here or at the game( can’t remember which) seems like unlike one player who we call a time out to try and coach up; both Rey and Ricky are on very short leashes when they are even given an opportunity. Also, when you think you may only be going on the floor for two minutes and may not get back in, you feel like you have to prove something Immediately and you are going to press.

I think Rey had a short leash yesterday. Ricky had some bad turnovers. I get why he took him out.

I don't know that it's a short leash, Fisher and Abdou have been playing better defensively and with confidence, and we've gone to a 4 wing lineup so Rey is currently the odd man out.

 

[Loyl2u]

Thanks for putting that together the plus/minus for combinations. Interesting that Torres and Idowu were the top 2.

As someone else said either here or at the game( can’t remember which) seems like unlike one player who we call a time out to try and coach up; both Rey and Ricky are on very short leashes when they are even given an opportunity. Also, when you think you may only be going on the floor for two minutes and may not get back in, you feel like you have to prove something Immediately and you are going to press.

I think Rey had a short leash yesterday. Ricky had some bad turnovers. I get why he took him out.

No doubt Torres had tough couple minutes early in 2nd half; turn over-gets the def. rebound -then turns it over again and fouls the guy out of frustration. He got 6 minutes against Loyola, 11 minutes against Bradley - not sure he isn’t on pretty short lease in comparison to some others but I wish DJ was playing well enough to make Ricky a big downgrade. Yesterday DJ was invisible and I thought they needed a change in last 10 minutes.

 

[ricohill]

As someone else said either here or at the game( can’t remember which) seems like unlike one player who we call a time out to try and coach up; both Rey and Ricky are on very short leashes when they are even given an opportunity. Also, when you think you may only be going on the floor for two minutes and may not get back in, you feel like you have to prove something Immediately and you are going to press.

I think Rey had a short leash yesterday. Ricky had some bad turnovers. I get why he took him out.

I don't know that it's a short leash, Fisher and Abdou have been playing better defensively and with confidence, and we've gone to a 4 wing lineup so Rey is currently the odd man out.

I’d agree on Fisher (if he would stop picking up bad fouls). I just thought Rey played great in his short stint that he at least deserved another chance to get in. None of these guys are that good that they can’t all play. I want to see Rey develop because unless they recruit a 5 man they are going to need him.

 

[Loyl2u]

As someone else said either here or at the game( can’t remember which) seems like unlike one player who we call a time out to try and coach up; both Rey and Ricky are on very short leashes when they are even given an opportunity. Also, when you think you may only be going on the floor for two minutes and may not get back in, you feel like you have to prove something Immediately and you are going to press.

I think Rey had a short leash yesterday. Ricky had some bad turnovers. I get why he took him out.

I don't know that it's a short leash, Fisher and Abdou have been playing better defensively and with confidence, and we've gone to a 4 wing lineup so Rey is currently the odd man out.

Agree that the 4 wing offense has had a lot to do with reducing 4-5’s playing time. Fisher getting majority of post time, which means he has to play against opponents big man at both ends. With this offense, not sure where Chastain plays successfully either- what player(s) is being put in a place to succeed with this offense???

 

[ricohill]

I think Rey had a short leash yesterday. Ricky had some bad turnovers. I get why he took him out.

I don't know that it's a short leash, Fisher and Abdou have been playing better defensively and with confidence, and we've gone to a 4 wing lineup so Rey is currently the odd man out.

Agree that the 4 wing offense has had a lot to do with reducing 4-5’s playing time. Fisher getting majority of post time, which means he has to play against opponents big man at both ends. With this offense, not sure where Chastain plays successfully either- what player(s) is being put in a place to succeed with this offense???

Excellent question

 

[DWRedbird]

I’d agree on Fisher (if he would stop picking up bad fouls). I just thought Rey played great in his short stint that he at least deserved another chance to get in. None of these guys are that good that they can’t all play. I want to see Rey develop because unless they recruit a 5 man they are going to need him.

I think Rey has a ton of potential, and last year he got better as the year went on. This year he has hit his sophomore slump. I like Rey both as a player and an ambassador of the team/university, but with the style that we are playing at the moment you can only play 2 big men regularly, and Fish and Abdou have him beat defensively.

Agree that the 4 wing offense has had a lot to do with reducing 4-5’s playing time. Fisher getting majority of post time, which means he has to play against opponents big man at both ends. With this offense, not sure where Chastain plays successfully either- what player(s) is being put in a place to succeed with this offense???

I don't think anyone is set up to succeed with the offense, save for maybe those who like shooting 3s. Our offense has devolved more and more as the year has gone on to drag players away from the basket rather than to it, and clog driving lanes. It looks slightly more structured than previous years, but isn't any more effective than any other year.

 

[cubird]

Hit their fts and Birds win the game. Some day when they are playing old man noon ball...they will be sitting out the first game. 29% with only 7 attemps at home.

 

[gobirds85]

Hit their fts and Birds win the game. Some day when they are playing old man noon ball...they will be sitting out the first game. 29% with only 7 attemps at home.

C’mon man. Story of my life at the Y. I always hoped only 10 guys would show up.