Redbirds vs Augustana

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

I really thought Dan and the team would learn from watching Loyola going to final four anting to be them. Don't foul and don't turnover the ball. I wonder if it's the players not caring or Dan not caring. If it's Dan its time for a new coach. If its the players Dan obviously doesn't have control over the team like we thought he did.

 

[isuquinndog]

I was thinking taking care of the ball would be an area of focus this year in order to improve his draft chances. Are we saying one of his weaknesses from last year is going to get worse?

Yes. Because he's going to have the ball even more. He's listed as a guard now on goredbirds.

I don't know this without doing some research, but I assume the analytics have told basketball people that turnovers aren't a big deal when you are scoring. So, if he's going to score 20 pts a game, the analytics probably say that you can live with 5-8 turnovers.

Again, I haven't looked that up, but I think we are seeing it around college basketball.

 

[Hamdonger]

So, if he's going to score 20 pts a game, the analytics probably say that you can live with 5-8 turnovers.

Again, I haven't looked that up, but I think we are seeing it around college basketball.

Dr. Quinn, Medicine man...if he's turning it over 5-8 times on average while averaging 20 a game, I sure as sugar am not on board with that, and we won't be going anywhere come postseason.

5th yr senior. I get what you're saying. But as a 5th year fellow his turnovers should be cut in half from last yr. He averaged almost 4 a game.

 

[Hamdonger]

JMO. He's not going to avg 20ppg. 15-16 I would venture. If he's going to turn it over 5 times or more a game, he'd better lead the offense like #32 from the Lakers. JMO. :mrgreen:

 

[ekeyfanclub]

Maybe we should stop rushing to conclusions after him playing one exhibition game when we weren't running an offense.

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[ChiRedbirdfan]

Maybe we should stop rushing to conclusions after him playing one exhibition game when we weren't running an offense.

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Why would ISU not be running an offense...that makes absolutely zero sense

 

[Adunk33]

Maybe we should stop rushing to conclusions after him playing one exhibition game when we weren't running an offense.

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Why would ISU not be running an offense...that makes absolutely zero sense

They played a lot of street ball. High screens and tried to drive/kick out. Very few, if any "sets."

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Maybe we should stop rushing to conclusions after him playing one exhibition game when we weren't running an offense.

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Why would ISU not be running an offense...that makes absolutely zero sense

It’s common so you don’t put anything on tape for your first opponent to prepare for.

 

[Retire 12]

I really thought Dan and the team would learn from watching Loyola going to final four anting to be them. Don't foul and don't turnover the ball. I wonder if it's the players not caring or Dan not caring. If it's Dan its time for a new coach. If its the players Dan obviously doesn't have control over the team like we thought he did.

LOL WHAT?!? :?

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Maybe we should stop rushing to conclusions after him playing one exhibition game when we weren't running an offense.

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Why would ISU not be running an offense...that makes absolutely zero sense

It’s common so you don’t put anything on tape for your first opponent to prepare for.

We will disagree on that comment. This is not football and at a MINIMUM ISU would be running a motion offense and practicing/preparing for a big season opener. Maybe not showcase your inbounds plays but that is about it. Not even certain if there was tape for this Angie game?

 

[DWRedbird]

Why would ISU not be running an offense...that makes absolutely zero sense

It’s common so you don’t put anything on tape for your first opponent to prepare for.

We will disagree on that comment. This is not football and at a MINIMUM ISU would be running a motion offense and practicing/preparing for a big season opener. Maybe not showcase your inbounds plays but that is about it. Not even certain if there was tape for this Angie game?

There was tape for the game. It wasn't streamed or anything that I know of but cameras were there, working and recording stuff.

I believe Muller stated before the exhibition games that he wasn't going to run any offensive sets or anything so that FGCU couldn't see what we were doing ahead of time. He has said that pretty routinely about exhibition games as well.

 

[Adunk33]

It’s common so you don’t put anything on tape for your first opponent to prepare for.

We will disagree on that comment. This is not football and at a MINIMUM ISU would be running a motion offense and practicing/preparing for a big season opener. Maybe not showcase your inbounds plays but that is about it. Not even certain if there was tape for this Angie game?

There was tape for the game. It wasn't streamed or anything that I know of but cameras were there, working and recording stuff.

I believe Muller stated before the exhibition games that he wasn't going to run any offensive sets or anything so that FGCU couldn't see what we were doing ahead of time. He has said that pretty routinely about exhibition games as well.

He said in the post game presser, they have maybe showed about 15-20% of their offense.

 

[johnaaa10]

I really thought Dan and the team would learn from watching Loyola going to final four anting to be them. Don't foul and don't turnover the ball. I wonder if it's the players not caring or Dan not caring. If it's Dan its time for a new coach. If its the players Dan obviously doesn't have control over the team like we thought he did.

LOL WHAT?!? :?

:text-+1:

 

[isuquinndog]

So, if he's going to score 20 pts a game, the analytics probably say that you can live with 5-8 turnovers.

Again, I haven't looked that up, but I think we are seeing it around college basketball.

Dr. Quinn, Medicine man...if he's turning it over 5-8 times on average while averaging 20 a game, I sure as sugar am not on board with that, and we won't be going anywhere come postseason.

5th yr senior. I get what you're saying. But as a 5th year fellow his turnovers should be cut in half from last yr. He averaged almost 4 a game.

I bet, because we have no real PG, his turnover average goes UP this year. It was 3.94/game (32 games and 126 TO's) and as far as I know that's the highest in ISU history that I can find.I would wager it's 4.5-5/game this year. Simply because he's handling the ball more.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

So, if he's going to score 20 pts a game, the analytics probably say that you can live with 5-8 turnovers.

Again, I haven't looked that up, but I think we are seeing it around college basketball.

Dr. Quinn, Medicine man...if he's turning it over 5-8 times on average while averaging 20 a game, I sure as sugar am not on board with that, and we won't be going anywhere come postseason.

5th yr senior. I get what you're saying. But as a 5th year fellow his turnovers should be cut in half from last yr. He averaged almost 4 a game.

I bet, because we have no real PG, his turnover average goes UP this year. It was 3.94/game (32 games and 126 TO's) and as far as I know that's the highest in ISU history that I can find.I would wager it's 4.5-5/game this year. Simply because he's handling the ball more.

an average of 4.5 to 5.0 turnovers a game from one player is almost a deal killer for a good season. Milik will have some games with very few turnovers and to average 4.5 to 5.0 means he will have some games with 7 8 ot 9 turnovers....all from one player. That many individual turnovers will outright cost ISU some wins.

I partially understand why Milik had so many turnovers last year.....lack of supporting cast and weak outside shooting as a team which lead to Muller instructing Milik to go one on one a lot. It appears that ISU should be much better in both categories which should take some of the pressure off of Milik. I believe he will still have many turnovers due to style of play but hopefully less...maybe around 3.0ish a game. I would be great if he had a much improved assist turnover ratio this year....which I believe he was a team leader in last year.

edit...think about ISU averaging around 75 or 80 possessions a game. If one player has 7 or 8 in a game that is 10 percent of the team's possessions resulting in turnovers....all from one player. Milik needs to tighten up the turnovers or certainly not get any worse. He can do it with a combination of help from teammates (improved talent, shooting), Muller (not putting him in position to force it as often as he did last year) and his own discipline to take better care of the ball.

 

[Redbird222]

I think every one has to get used to the fact that MY is going to turn it over. He's going to have the ball the most and he's going to turn it over and a very high rate. HCDM obviously is willing to live with it so we might as well get used to it.

A couple of his turnovers were hot passes to newcomers in transition near the basket

Yep and another one was for carrying the ball at half court which honestly was not that bad. May habe been a makeup call for call against Augustana that just happened. I only recall 2 turnovers where it driving to the basket and out of control.

 

[cpacmel]

I really thought Dan and the team would learn from watching Loyola going to final four anting to be them. Don't foul and don't turnover the ball. I wonder if it's the players not caring or Dan not caring. If it's Dan its time for a new coach. If its the players Dan obviously doesn't have control over the team like we thought he did.

LOL WHAT?!? :?

:text-+1:

The term bum-fizzed comes to
Mind. Credit to Denver Johnson for that one !

 

[SgtHulka]

I think every one has to get used to the fact that MY is going to turn it over. He's going to have the ball the most and he's going to turn it over and a very high rate. HCDM obviously is willing to live with it so we might as well get used to it.

A couple of his turnovers were hot passes to newcomers in transition near the basket

Yep and another one was for carrying the ball at half court which honestly was not that bad. May habe been a makeup call for call against Augustana that just happened. I only recall 2 turnovers where it driving to the basket and out of control.

True. Forgot about that one. Thought the rule was only enforced when palming was used to gain an advantage. He was slow walking the ball across half court and had no advantage to gain.

 

[ricohill]

A couple of his turnovers were hot passes to newcomers in transition near the basket

Yep and another one was for carrying the ball at half court which honestly was not that bad. May habe been a makeup call for call against Augustana that just happened. I only recall 2 turnovers where it driving to the basket and out of control.

True. Forgot about that one. Thought the rule was only enforced when palming was used to gain an advantage. He was slow walking the ball across half court and had no advantage to gain.

I don't see that getting called when they have legit refs working games. If they called that every time, there would be a travel every other possession in D1 basketball.

 

[Hamdonger]

So, if he's going to score 20 pts a game, the analytics probably say that you can live with 5-8 turnovers.

Again, I haven't looked that up, but I think we are seeing it around college basketball.

Dr. Quinn, Medicine man...if he's turning it over 5-8 times on average while averaging 20 a game, I sure as sugar am not on board with that, and we won't be going anywhere come postseason.

5th yr senior. I get what you're saying. But as a 5th year fellow his turnovers should be cut in half from last yr. He averaged almost 4 a game.

I bet, because we have no real PG, his turnover average goes UP this year. It was 3.94/game (32 games and 126 TO's) and as far as I know that's the highest in ISU history that I can find.I would wager it's 4.5-5/game this year. Simply because he's handling the ball more.

Dinner on me if TO's go up.