Norfolk St- Horton Game

[Birdfriend72]

#6 is talking? He is publically repeating what he said to the referee and coach? I apologized I missed that. I'm sure I could find it, but please link it. You would be publically saying you didn't do it? I would suggest re-evaluating your legal representation if they allowed you to speak publically in a situation like this.

I could care less about legal aspects. If I didn't say it then the ref didn't hear me say it. No one would have heard me but him. It would be my word vs his. I wouldn't let them be in the national spotlight with my picture and lie about something of that magnitude. No way! Plus, we haven't heard anyone say that they didn't say it- but a few others that are speculating. This doesn't mean he is being truthful...it just means he is all we have to go on.

 

[redbirds2000]

I could care less about legal aspects. If I didn't say it then the ref didn't hear me say it. No one would have heard me but him. It would be my word vs his. I wouldn't let them be in the national spotlight with my picture and lie about something of that magnitude. No way!

You think that would control the national spotlight? You think that would protect your business? You think that would protect your family? Now your picture is out there with a name and the people who will never believe you have that information. Are you reading some of the comments on social media? There are folks that don't care what the accused say or when they say it. Where is #6 talking?

 

[SlackBooDom]

Based on this thread and the Kyle Brennan thread, I do know the first person I’m calling if I’m ever in a situation that requires judgment by others I’m calling Doug Sutton. He’ll paragraph everyone to death defending me, even if he is unsure of details.

 

[Birdfriend72]

You think that would control the national spotlight? You think that would protect your business? You think that would protect your family? Now your picture is out there with a name and the people who will never believe you have that information. Are you reading some of the comments on social media? There are folks that don't care what the accused say or when they say it. Where is #6 talking?

Ok, #6 is talking through his coach. That's clarified. The individuals that are being accused are talking through no one. Again, I don't know who they are- so I can't speak for them. But, word spreads like hotcakes. I'm sure if I were involved in an incident like that everyone would know. I do agree that I would be worried about some lunatic harming my family. I hope my sincerity in saying I didn't do it would mean something... especially if people know that I wouldn't do that. I might be a little to the point about my feelings about a player's ability- but I am not going to put them down for something like this. That's not cool.

 

[redbirds2000]

Ok, #6 is talking through his coach. That's clarified. The individuals that are being accused are talking through no one. Again, I don't know who they are- so I can't speak for them. But, word spreads like hotcakes. I'm sure if I were involved in an incident like that everyone would know. I do agree that I would be worried about some lunatic harming my family. I hope my sincerity in saying I didn't do it would mean something... especially if people know that I wouldn't do that. I might be a little to the point about my feelings about a player's ability- but I am not going to put them down for something like this. That's not cool.

They have spoken to the people they need to speak to. Many on this board know that.

 

[Redbird]

One thing you are missing. Jones never heard the comment. He said his player told him. He says the ref heard it. Did the ref hear or did he hear the player say it? It was so loud as this unfolded that we know the coaches had a misunderstanding. I don’t think anyone that didn’t hear the alleged comment had a true, full understanding.

The ref did not hear it. That’s not in the public yet but no ref heard it said. The ONLY person to “hear” it was Thomas…..except that it wasn’t said.

 

[Redbird]

That's a bold statement that I believe we all want to believe. I'm curious how you came to this conclusion. So far, we have a head coach who we all know by name specifically saying that a ref (who I'm sure has been interviewed since the incident) told him this comment. As much as I want to believe that the comment was never made, if I'm being objective in observing these two opposing claims, at this point, the NSU coach is more credible because he put his name to this statement. If he lied, as you are claiming, the ref would have (or will) deny ever making that comment.

Now, if you are willing to disclose your name and specifically why you made this claim including the names of the people that were at the game that are corroborating your claim, your credibility increases. Otherwise, making claims like this behind an anonymous screen name comes across as an internet troll.

I am not willing to post all of that info because it exposes where my information is coming from. I am not trolling. I am privy to things and that’s all I will say. I stand by everything I said. Hopefully the truth will come out AND from ISU but I am not confident in the fact that ISU will upset the apple cart by flat out saying this incident is fabricated.

 

[redbirds2000]

The ref did not hear it. That’s not in the public yet but no ref heard it said. The ONLY person to “hear” it was Thomas…..except that it wasn’t said.

And there you have it! Now, how does the administration handle it will be the next question.

 

[DougSutton]

Based on this thread and the Kyle Brennan thread, I do know the first person I’m calling if I’m ever in a situation that requires judgment by others I’m calling Doug Sutton. He’ll paragraph everyone to death defending me, even if he is unsure of details.

That was very good. And I can assure you, if it was you instead of Brennan or coach Pedon in identical situations, I'd come to your defense

 

[redbirds2000]

I am not willing to post all of that info because it exposes where my information is coming from. I am not trolling. I am privy to things and that’s all I will say. I stand by everything I said. Hopefully the truth will come out AND from ISU but I am not confident in the fact that ISU will upset the apple cart by flat out saying this incident is fabricated.

Doug doesn't realize that some folks on this board personally know these fans and there is a loyalty to not speaking their names. I'll say this, Redbird is in the know! This poster has the facts. The administration's response to this is what is going to be interesting. Hopefully, they stand behind these fans since they have all the information. #6 and their coach should be interviewed too, but I guarantee they won't agree to that!

 

[redbirds2000]

Based on this thread and the Kyle Brennan thread, I do know the first person I’m calling if I’m ever in a situation that requires judgment by others I’m calling Doug Sutton. He’ll paragraph everyone to death defending me, even if he is unsure of details.

Doug is thorough! Actually, I wish he was officiating this game. It would have taken 2 hours, but everything would have been sorted out right then and there at Horton!

 

[DougSutton]

I am not willing to post all of that info because it exposes where my information is coming from. I am not trolling. I am privy to things and that’s all I will say. I stand by everything I said. Hopefully the truth will come out AND from ISU but I am not confident in the fact that ISU will upset the apple cart by flat out saying this incident is fabricated.

That's the difficult thing for me to grasp. I have plenty of information coming to me privately as well. For a point of clarification, when you say the ref didn't hear it (whatever the specific words that were offensive), are you saying he didn't share the quote with the NSU coach or that he never heard it and never said anything to the NSU coach? If the ref didn't say anything to the coach about the quote then I would hope that that ref would go on record saying that. It makes no sense otherwise. Until I'm shown a reason to not trust President Tarhule, I will continue to believe that he (through the athletic department) will ensure there is transparency. For the record, I've never said our fans said anything racially offensive (or meant to be offensive). I'm only currently choosing to take their coach's word for what he said he heard from the ref because of the reasons I've already stated.

 

[DougSutton]

Doug is thorough! Actually, I wish he was officiating this game. It would have taken 2 hours, but everything would have been sorted out right then and there at Horton!

One thing I can promise is I absolutely, positively would have called coach Pedon and the NSU coach together at the same time to tell them whatever I had to share and had that happened, none of this drama would be present.

 

[Hamdonger]

Doug is thorough! Actually, I wish he was officiating this game. It would have taken 2 hours, but everything would have been sorted out right then and there at Horton!

Nope. (work with me here, 2000) Doug's succinct questions combined with his listening skill would have concluded this in 5 minutes...AND...we would have had the thorough report that we're all wanting within 2 hours of the final buzzer. There's your 2 hours.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

So, ISU kicks 3 fans out of game for something that never happened, after apologizing to the accusers as if it did happen, and now ISU is going to say the apologized to accusers were lying. The optics of whatever comes out of this are bad for ISU. Really in a no win situation.

 

[redbirds2000]

Nope. (work with me here, 2000) Doug's succinct questions combined with his listening skill would have concluded this in 5 minutes...AND...we would have had the thorough report that we're all wanting within 2 hours of the final buzzer. There's your 2 hours.

All of this while the echoes of ISU, ISU, ISU, ISU bounce off the metal ceiling and glass walls of Horton! I nominate Doug for President and Director of Athletics!

 

[redbirds2000]

So, ISU kicks 3 fans out of game for something that never happened, after apologizing to the accusers as if it did happen, and now ISU is going to say the apologized to accusers were lying. The optics of whatever comes out of this are bad for ISU. Really in a no win situation.

Yep. This isn't going to look good no matter what.

 

[Bird Friend]

Reading this thread has been like . . .

 

[Hrtnfldhse]

I would hope the the Missouri Valley Conference would step in and make an announcement as I've heard they are investigating the incident too. As a few have said if we hear from ISU that this slur didn't happen, no one will believe it. If the Valley comes out and says that, it might be more credible.

 

[SlackBooDom]

The ref did not hear it. That’s not in the public yet but no ref heard it said. The ONLY person to “hear” it was Thomas…..except that it wasn’t said.

This does line up, slightly, with what I have heard. One official "heard something." One official did not. No fans are corroborating the story from the player. No one on ISU is corroborating. Whether Norfolk agrees to take part in the investigation or not would determine the next steps I imagine. Based on everything I have heard, I would think nothing comes of this.