Norfolk St- Horton Game

[Matt Hein Fan]

Is the coach’s show still on for tonight?

 

[Redbird222]

I got curious on the "sparking the offense with 3's" portion and wanted to see if it was possible for this team. The results below are... scary.

Career 3-point numbers:

Banks - 29.8% on 161 attempts
Foster - 0% on 10 attempts
Poindexter - 33.7% on 175 attempts
Lewis - 29.7% on 158 attempts
Burford - 33.9% on 218 attempts
Kasubke - 31.7% on 202 attempts
Davis - 29.3% on 147 attempts
Lieb - 12.5% on 8 attempts
Pence - 0% on 10 attempts

Kinziger - 46.7% on 30 attempts

Seeing that, this year's team shooting 27% from 3 is very believable.

Burford is shooting just over 18% and Poindexter 22% this year. Both are well below their career averages. If Darias can shoot 35% and Mal 37% the remainder if the year it would have a profound impact on the offense

 

[dpdoughbird06]

Is the coach’s show still on for tonight?

If so, tonight might draw a record crowd, but I doubt there will be many new revelations. I’d imagine IF they even discuss what happened, Pedon’s response will be carefully measured and then they’ll proceed to discuss the game itself.

Coming out of this, does ISU in its investigation make recommendations regarding courtside seating? We were among the last schools to introduce it, so they could always replace some or all of them with LED ad boards. The other possible recommendation would be to make those seats alcohol-free.

I’ve sat courtside a few times and there have been a number of folks there who were “well-prepped” by tip-off. We have no idea how much the fan(s) in question consumed, but alcohol tends to make people say things they shouldn’t.

My guess would be there’d at a minimum be a strict courtside code of conduct coming out of this. If our fans don’t engage the chatty opponent, does he keep baiting them all game? The well-off adults should be held to a higher behavioral standard than the 20-year-old college athlete.

 

[dpdoughbird06]

“Norfolk State is a historically Black university (HBCU). Illinois State University is what’s known as a “predominantly white institution,” or PWI.”

More accurate statement would be:

Norfolk State is a predominately black university. Illinois State University is what’s known as a more racially diverse institution.

I’m not sure where it would be appropriate to point out that ISU is incredibly proud of its DEI initiatives, which have led to recent minority enrollments that comprise more than 1/3 of our most recent classes, if I recall.

We’re still predominantly white, but in the coming years our crowds should increasingly reflect this emphasis.

 

[Bdub777]

This has really been poorly handled by both schools. ISU due to its slow response in issuing a statement and apparent failure to get an immediate statement from people around the incident including those who were escorted out (I hope I am wrong on that). NSU for continuing to pour gasoline on the fire in various ways and for its complete lack of graciousness or in withholding judgment in its last statement.

I hate to say this, but our interim leadership seems to be proving they are not the right people at the helm for the future.

 

[Seven]

ISU would be raked through the coals if they published a statement from the fans who were escorted out. They have handled this fine and are doing what they should do -- a thorough investigation.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

ISU is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If there is 0 evidence then NSU will throw out more accusations of protecting them and whatever else BS. If they find evidence the punishment and response won’t be enough. They want to be the victim. Just look at their statement. It’s not hoping to come out of this better. They want to drag ISU.

If someone said it they should be banned for life. There is no place for it in 2023 and beyond.

 

[Bdub777]

ISU would be raked through the coals if they published a statement from the fans who were escorted out. They have handled this fine and are doing what they should do -- a thorough investigation.

Geeze, no one is suggesting they publish a statement but you investigate the facts as closely to the incident as possible.

 

[gobirds85]

ISU is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If there is 0 evidence then NSU will throw out more accusations of protecting them and whatever else BS. If they find evidence the punishment and response won’t be enough. They want to be the victim. Just look at their statement. You’d think someone was physically assaulted or the entire arena was chanting it in unison.

If someone said it they should be banned for life. There is no place for it in 2023 and beyond.

By not responding immediately, we allowed the narrative to be controlled by those who weren't even in the building. Truth and due process be damned.

 

[Phantom]

How badly has this program/dept been run , if playing Norfolk fricking State in front of 3k is considered the “big stage”

I was meaning more contextually rather than the matchup itself. There was plenty of hype around this game, and we were just coming off 3 straight wins with a chance to further corral the fans and get people excited. It was an opportunity to put on a good show and improve to a solid 7-3 and keep the momentum going. So all that can be looked at as a "big stage." Maybe important stage would've been more accurate. And what did we do? Laid an egg in more ways than one.

 

[SlackBooDom]

I hope the investigation involves some sort of talk with the referees in question. What did they hear? Why were they not communicating with both coaches? Further, why was Pedon not talking to an official? He has no business going to the other coach, which would have prevented all of this. The officials who worked this game surely should have to answer some sort of questions or we won't ever really know the facts.

 

[isuquinndog]

I appreciate that 99% of the posts have been very thoughtful and respectful of both players and the situation. I hope that continues.

We have had a couple of new posters in the last 48 hours. You all have a short leash. Start trying to stir crap up and you aren't going to last long. Just FYI.

 

[Hrtnfldhse]

Here is my 2 cents as someone who was at the game. As far as the game itself, our own bad shooting and their defense was equally the reason for the offensive output. Wide open misses and several shot clock violations. Now as far as the incident. The referess played a huge part in why it happened and how it played out. For about 5 minutes before it happened, #6 was drawing fouls by doing his best impression of LeBron James by flopping at little or no contact and the refs were going right along with it. #6 was doing his best to antagonize the crowd, the more fouls he drew. After the foul that created the mayhem, he went towards the side of the court and that is when it all went nuts. The referee huddled with the Norfolk team and the crowd was getting on him. Then there coach came out on the floor and the crowd amped it more. That is when their coach started back towards the sideline and Pedon got involved. Not once did any referee get the two coaches together and discuss what had happened. I believe if this had happened we wouldn't have seen what we all saw. There would have been no way for Pedon to know what was going on with how loud Horton was at that point as he was still a good ways away. Then after all this happened, the bench players for Norfolk were engaging with the fans on my side of the court, behind the benches. That just fueled the fans for more noise. Still no one knew of the what happened and this continued the rest of the game. After the final seconds, #6 was still engaging with the fans by waving bye to them along with a few teammates. One odd thing I did notice after all of this, #6 didn't handle the ball too much coming up the court.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

The refs should’ve told 6 to knock it off in the first half. They should’ve huddled both coaches together immediately. Go back and watch the clip. Jordan Davis is called for the foul and is right there. The look on his face is pure confusion. I’d love to know what he saw/heard.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Redbirdfan needs to start capitalizing on this. Start running an exclusive investigation complete with unnamed sources and expert witness. Become a pay site (only for new members of course) temporarily until enough is raised to pay for no ads for the next ten years. I have some juicy insight to share, only under the veil of confidentiality of course.

 

[TBS_20]

Redbirdfan needs to start capitalizing on this. Start running an exclusive investigation complete with unnamed sources and expert witness. Become a pay site (only for new members of course) temporarily until enough is raised to pay for no ads for the next ten years. I have some juicy insight to share, only under the veil of confidentiality of course.

We don't want to know the teams penis sizes

 

[Seven]

FWIW, a poster on the "other" Bradley board who is level-headed and often has credible information posted this:

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions yet, but I'm sure they're doing a very thorough investigation and that thoroughness is why it's taking long.

 

[Seven]

I also want to add that Jeri Beggs is someone who has been very competent, organized, thorough, and on the pulse for a long time -- long before she was AD. I think anyone who's had experience with her can back up that account.

 

[normalbird]

Why is this a crock of shit? At this point, I'm taking the NSU coach's word for it that the ref told him what was said. I'm also completely confident that the "trust, but verify" ethos is taking place right now and our university officials are doing an internal investigation and I have no doubt they will interview the refs. This is a serious issue that will have repercussions.

I would not agree with Illinois State banning these fans without verification from the ref. If the ref verifies, the fans should be ban and this statement made in the article you shared has nothing wrong with it at all. They are taking their coach's word for it. If however, the refs that are interviewed deny hearing or more importantly, telling the NSU coach that any of our fans made these disgusting comments, then I would be upset and call this a crock of shit.

Until that happens, I'm taking their coach's word for it because to me, it seems incredibly unlikely that he would lie, knowing that the ref would deny it if the ref didn't say it. In that light, I don't have a problem with the statement from NSU. The only thing they could have changed would be to add the word "allegedly" in this statement "where racial epithets were shouted". But again, they're taking the coach for his word that the ref told him this.

I hope and trust hat Illinois State University will release a statement revealing their findings of this investigation.

Doug, I believe the NS coach indicated his player told him about the alleged slur. As far as I can tell, there have been zero comments or statements from the officiating crew. I don’t believe the refs called any fouls regarding the slur, and I don’t believe the refs asked ISU athletics officials to remove any fans.

I’d like to know when and why several ISU fans were apparently relocated from their sideline seats to seats in the band area, and subsequently escorted out of the arena. Did the refs tell ISU athletics to bounce those fans? If so, why? Did ISU athletics determine on their own to relocate and remove the fans? Why? Because they were too boisterous? Or did someone other than the NS player hear and report the racial slur?