Next Years Team

[Birdfriend72]

You gonna pony up NIL money? You a big time donor that we don't know about? This isn't fully up to ISU. This is up to alumni and donors.

You gonna pony up NIL money? You a big time donor that we don't know about? This isn't fully up to ISU. This is up to alumni and donors.

Do you really think all 3-star or 4-star recruits are going to get big NIL money? I think the NIL big bucks will be going to transfer players. That does probably rule us out. However, freshman and juco players are another ball game. All the big programs will be looking for instant gratification. I'm not saying if you recruit a 4-star high school kid that he will be here for the entire 4 years. That will be on the coaching staff to create the environment in that the kid will want to stick around. That starts with a culture of winning. We can and should do better than some of the recruits we have had in the past.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Ty Pence had a connection to ISU prior to us recruiting him. My point with the portal is how do you even sell yourself to a player that has more than a dozen intetested contacts. Unless u recruited them in high school or have a current or former player on your squad how do you have a chance? Everyone is promising playing time. What else can u offer...grad school right?

Throw on the tape from senior night. Multiple guys glowing about how Pedon was the first college coach to keep his promise during recruiting.

 

[redbirdron1]

Agree 2011

 

[isuquinndog]

Sorry, I don't think most 18-22 yr olds care about culture. I think they care about what they can get from NIL and going to the NCAA tournament. Maybe I'm shallow.

Not the 3 and 4 start guys like we are talking about.

 

[SlackBooDom]

If you think Ty Pence will be here for four years, you’re probably dreaming a wild dream. The reason Wake and Iowa State backed off isn’t because they think he can’t play. There’s a reason they talked to him at all. They don’t want to invest time if they can come get him in two years if he develops. That’s the reality. Every Power 5 watches our league and the kids they built relationships with to pick the best ones who pan out. Recruiting isn’t easy. Paying transfer players is. Put yourself in the shoes of any 19/20 year old kid. Would you rather be on the 4th best MVC team or would you rather make $15,000 for a Power 5? Better gear. Better travel. More exposure. Do you know how much money that feels like to a college junior?

 

[SlackBooDom]

Joseph Yesufu left a Drake team that won a grand total of 0 tournament games. In return, he gets cost of attendance, an NIL deal, a national title ring, and all the exposure and perks of being a Kansas basketball player. What makes anyone think ISU is bringing anyone in who would say no to that? They wouldn’t. The only way that doesn’t happen is if the kid isn’t good enough to have the opportunity.

 

[SlackBooDom]

I’ll add on to the Pence point. If you think he isn’t going to watch Harding and Freeman play on national TV in a P5 league with the opportunities that come from being a B1G athlete and want the same for himself, you’re lying to yourself.

 

[ScoreboardDotRace]

I’ll add on, it’s probably not fair but for us to even really have a chance we need to almost be NIT this year, or at least competitive and playing on Saturday in STL. On top of that then be among preseason favorites in 24-25 to get the freshman to stay potentially even 2 years. Not ‘fair’ but I think the reality.

If we’re only slightly better than last year but pence, kinziger or Walker have solid years, I wouldn’t be surprised to lose one if not multiple.

That’s why this summer is super super important. No more time for slow grow.

 

[DaveBird10]

Do you really think all 3-star or 4-star recruits are going to get big NIL money? I think the NIL big bucks will be going to transfer players. That does probably rule us out. However, freshman and juco players are another ball game. All the big programs will be looking for instant gratification. I'm not saying if you recruit a 4-star high school kid that he will be here for the entire 4 years. That will be on the coaching staff to create the environment in that the kid will want to stick around. That starts with a culture of winning. We can and should do better than some of the recruits we have had in the past.

Culture only goes so far with 18-22 yr olds, if culture meant anything some of the MVC guys wouldn't be leaving for greener pastures and the same goes for the kids from Creighton who just played in an elite 8 game and they are now in the portal. There are MVC schools who have more NIL money then ISU does at the moment. I understand its a different era to get used to but its different era and you either have money or you don't.

 

[MadBird]

Joseph Yesufu left a Drake team that won a grand total of 0 tournament games. In return, he gets cost of attendance, an NIL deal, a national title ring, and all the exposure and perks of being a Kansas basketball player. What makes anyone think ISU is bringing anyone in who would say no to that? They wouldn’t. The only way that doesn’t happen is if the kid isn’t good enough to have the opportunity.

Why is he in the portal then?

 

[SlackBooDom]

Why is he in the portal then?

Because he wants to get paid again. Why stay at Kansas if someone else will pay you more? Every good college basketball player at the P5 level should go in the portal every year to see what their worth is on the open market. You are on a one-year contract. You’re incentivized as a college athlete to price yourself against the market annually. Kansas is great. Another P5 for more money is even better.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Why is he in the portal then?

My guess is he wants to play. He’s been recruited over at Kansas.

 

[Manchester Matt]

Because he wants to get paid again. Why stay at Kansas if someone else will pay you more? Every good college basketball player at the P5 level should go in the portal every year to see what their worth is on the open market. You are on a one-year contract. You’re incentivized as a college athlete to price yourself against the market annually. Kansas is great. Another P5 for more money is even better.

I’m sure they are lining up down the street to pay him for his four points per game. That’s not why he’s leaving.

 

[Bird Friend]

Excellent discussion. We’ve now given our recruits every reason to leave after getting here. </sarcasm font>

 

[PurpleRedbird]

Excellent discussion. We’ve now given our recruits every reason to leave after getting here. </sarcasm font>

Agreed. Let's at least get our new guys on campus before worrying about them potentially leaving some day.

 

[Hamdonger]

Excellent discussion. We’ve now given our recruits every reason to leave after getting here. </sarcasm font>

Nah. That's compliments of our friends with the big swingin' youknowwhats in Indianapolis.

 

[SlackBooDom]

I’m sure they are lining up down the street to pay him for his four points per game. That’s not why he’s leaving.

You have your version of the story and I have mine. The point remains - he left Drake because Kansas is an infinitely better opportunity. Better gear. Better travel. Better opponents. Better TV exposure. Better meal plan. Better living situation. Better competition in practice. Better access to playing at the next level. Better academic support. Better facilities. I wonder if it’s more fun to play on the basketball team at Drake or Kansas. I could probably guess. Those are the facts and why it’s a tremendous uphill battle for us to ever have another high school recruit who sticks around for four or five years given the current landscape of college basketball.

 

[Bird Friend]

You have your version of the story and I have mine. The point remains - he left Drake because Kansas is an infinitely better opportunity. Better gear. Better travel. Better opponents. Better TV exposure. Better meal plan. Better living situation. Better competition in practice. Better access to playing at the next level. Better academic support. Better facilities. I wonder if it’s more fun to play on the basketball team at Drake or Kansas. I could probably guess. Those are the facts and why it’s a tremendous uphill battle for us to ever have another high school recruit who sticks around for four or five years given the current landscape of college basketball.

Man . . . pretty sure I’ve never felt this bad about being an ISU grad . . .

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Do you really think all 3-star or 4-star recruits are going to get big NIL money? I think the NIL big bucks will be going to transfer players. That does probably rule us out. However, freshman and juco players are another ball game. All the big programs will be looking for instant gratification. I'm not saying if you recruit a 4-star high school kid that he will be here for the entire 4 years. That will be on the coaching staff to create the environment in that the kid will want to stick around. That starts with a culture of winning. We can and should do better than some of the recruits we have had in the past.

I think there is way way way way more money out there than you give credit for. I think there are donors at very average programs that are willing to throw $10-$25K a year easy at bench players. And when you tell a player that they can go to a program like Syracuse or Notre Dame and be a benchwarmer, but make $100K over their run or go to a place like Northern Iowa but get, at best, $10K in the same time, that player is headed to the ACC regardless.
The system is broken and within the next 10 years, you will have a division of schools that have University sponsored basketball clubs with athletes that are more employees and less students (complete with salary/guaranteed NIL deals and no required credits taken) and schools with student athletes who must adhere to NCAA student athlete standards.

It will likely carry over to football as well and you'll see the FCS Champion be the official NCAA champion where the BCS/Playoff champion will be just that. That said, almost all of the 4 and 5 star players will be getting 6-7 (even 8) figure deals by that time, so there will absolutely be a huge talent gap between MMs/FCS and FBS/Power 5 unlike we've ever seen.

 

[Redbirdfan06]

You have your version of the story and I have mine. The point remains - he left Drake because Kansas is an infinitely better opportunity. Better gear. Better travel. Better opponents. Better TV exposure. Better meal plan. Better living situation. Better competition in practice. Better access to playing at the next level. Better academic support. Better facilities. I wonder if it’s more fun to play on the basketball team at Drake or Kansas. I could probably guess. Those are the facts and why it’s a tremendous uphill battle for us to ever have another high school recruit who sticks around for four or five years given the current landscape of college basketball.

Nobody was questioning why he left Drake for Kansas. That was a no brainer and was two years ago. I think people are wondering why leave Kansas now. Especially when your post above is how everything is so much better at Kansas. I think the posts about him wanting to go somewhere where he gets PT are more accurate than you saying it’s all about NIL when he is already at a blue blood school that will pay him well if they want him.