Myles Foster officially enters Transfer Portal!

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A log of talk about that concept the past couple of years. Downside is that a high talent recruit is only staying one year max so there is limited upside unless you get lucky and the frosh is a major impact player like Anthony Davis was his 1st year.
The other negative on top of this is that if players are gonna start using MM schools for a year or two, then transferring and getting NIL $$$, what little old fashioned team basketball there still is will disappear because all those young players will be looking to pad their stats and be playing a lot of me ball to attract attention and get the big $$$.

Man, that is one long sentence but I am too lazy to try to break it up……
 

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I don't have the mental capacity or interest to take receipts like this, just as I didn't with those who made comments about Antonio Reeves and DJ Horne. Agree that Doug, Dan, Tarise, Paris and others who graduate from ISU are Redbirds. I do differ on my personal perspective on those that have left us. I consider Reeves, Horne and others that chose to leave former Redbirds and hold no ill feelings toward them and enjoy following their careers. Those that were full of drama or bad for team chemistry like a Lach Lofton, I don't care to keep track of.

Regarding the kids that many fans on here over the years spoke negatively about as a waste of scholarship and hoped our coach at the time would ask them to leave so they could fill up a scholarship, i cheer them on in the same way that I do with those that chose to leave us. To me, it's a double standard to wish some kids would leave to open up a scholarship so we can bring in someone that we feel is "better" while being upset when a kid chooses to leave because they feel they have a better opportunity.
Well, I don't fit that double standard. You will not see me upset when someone leaves. I do think we should open up spots to find better players. NCAA basketball is officially a business. The business is winning.
 

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Well, I don't fit that double standard. You will not see me upset when someone leaves. I do think we should open up spots to find better players. NCAA basketball is officially a business. The business is winning.

Agreed. It's a business on all levels. I'm putting my trust in coach Pedon for now. One thing I'm clear on is that I wouldn't want to be a division 1 coach in the current environment. The joy of seeing kids grow from their high school/AAU days through their senior day and beyond is such a rare occurrence today. But it is what it is, I'm just happy there are coaches wiling to work in that environment.
 

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Doug, for once please get off your arrogant, condescending high horse. Nobody and I mean nobody reads your paragraphs of garbage that you post on every single topic.

I cheer for each and every kid while they were Redbirds on their chest. Once they’re gone then good luck, but I don’t give them a second thought. Reeves got a bag and danced. Good for him. DJ’s in the final four? Good for him. I’m happy for his parents, but if he loses tonight I won’t be upset at all.

Good luck to Foster, but maybe he should worry about improving his basketball skills and not sending direct messages on Twitter at 2 am attacking people when he plays like shit. He thinks he can do better? Then go for it. Would’ve cheered for him hard next year. He’s gone? Good for him.
I read it.
 

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Foster has NBA aspirations. What P5 coach isn’t going to play into that along with offering $50k+ more than we were. I don’t see him having the overall tools to get there, but he sees no downside to the move. Perhaps he ends up like Marcus Arnold going to Illinois and sits the bench more. Or maybe his new school’s resources can focus enough attention to unlock some untapped ability.

I can’t see him going against a line of P5 posts who are 2” and 20 lbs bigger and having the same results. That’s just my opinion, but it doesn’t really matter if I’m right or wrong. We have to wish him well and move on to someone who wants to be here.
He needs to work on the right hand for sure. And quicker feet-drop step.
 

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Doug, for once please get off your arrogant, condescending high horse. Nobody and I mean nobody reads your paragraphs of garbage that you post on every single topic.

I cheer for each and every kid while they were Redbirds on their chest. Once they’re gone then good luck, but I don’t give them a second thought. Reeves got a bag and danced. Good for him. DJ’s in the final four? Good for him. I’m happy for his parents, but if he loses tonight I won’t be upset at all.

Good luck to Foster, but maybe he should worry about improving his basketball skills and not sending direct messages on Twitter at 2 am attacking people when he plays like shit. He thinks he can do better? Then go for it. Would’ve cheered for him hard next year. He’s gone? Good for him.

FYI I read just about every post on here whether I agree with it or not. Partly informative, partly to see what others are thinking, partly to get a glimpse every now and then behind the scenes. Some is just mildly entertaining. I enjoy everyone’s posts. Thanks
 

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I don't have the mental capacity or interest to take receipts like this, just as I didn't with those who made comments about Antonio Reeves and DJ Horne. Agree that Doug, Dan, Tarise, Paris and others who graduate from ISU are Redbirds. I do differ on my personal perspective on those that have left us. I consider Reeves, Horne and others that chose to leave former Redbirds and hold no ill feelings toward them and enjoy following their careers. Those that were full of drama or bad for team chemistry like a Lach Lofton, I don't care to keep track of.

Regarding the kids that many fans on here over the years spoke negatively about as a waste of scholarship and hoped our coach at the time would ask them to leave so they could fill up a scholarship, i cheer them on in the same way that I do with those that chose to leave us. To me, it's a double standard to wish some kids would leave to open up a scholarship so we can bring in someone that we feel is "better" while being upset when a kid chooses to leave because they feel they have a better opportunity.
Doug,

If Ryan Pedon had a point guard or big in the portal that he thought could immediately make an impact, would it bother you if he told banks and lieb to go find employment elsewhere for next year? I like Reeves and Horne and wish them well, but don’t want Banks and Lieb anywhere near the roster next year.
 
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Doug,

If Ryan Pedon had a point guard or big in the portal that he thought could immediately make an impact, would it bother you if he told banks and lieb to go find employment elsewhere for next year? I like Reeves and Horne and wish them well, but don’t want Banks and Lieb anywhere near the roster next year.
Scholarships now more than ever are a 1 year deal. Guys are getting paid by NIL. Coaches leashes are shorter than ever. It’s win or get fired. Gone are the days of a guy only marginally improving for 3 years and praying senior year is the year. Perform or be replaced.
 

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Schertz did it faster and flashier, but Muller had us as relevant in 2017, and we made a few NITs and played on Sunday in 2015 and 2018, as well.

The cliff we fell off afterwards was steep, but even in decline he could still recruit; just look at how many of his players started in tourney teams after leaving us. Reeves and Horne…what might have been.

Maybe it’s our turn to strike portal magic around JK this year and we take by storm a Valley in flux…
The downfall started with the McIntosh foul!!
 

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Doug,

If Ryan Pedon had a point guard or big in the portal that he thought could immediately make an impact, would it bother you if he told banks and lieb to go find employment elsewhere for next year? I like Reeves and Horne and wish them well, but don’t want Banks and Lieb anywhere near the roster next year.
It absolutely would not bother me at all. I trust coach Pedon and understand that this is the nature of college athletics today. In the past, it was much more one sided where coaches often had "the talk" with kids after a season ended to have them leave so they could open up scholarships. Now, it's a much more even playing field where either coach or player can initiate that talk and choose to move on. Regardless whether the coach or the athlete chose to move on, I'll continue cheering them on as long as they were respectful, good kids. If people here choose to criticize and talk negatively about our student athletes, that's their choice but it's something I'll personally never do.
 

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You've definitely done that plenty of times. The projections you place on me are simply a reflection of how you've come across on here for a long time.
You've definitely done that plenty of times. The projections you place on me are simply a reflection of how you've come across on here for a long time.
I don't think anyone is pretending to be an insider on here. I think it is very clear who has the "insider" information on this board. Myles Foster? That news was a week old by the time it hit this board as "official". JK? Burford? Same. NSU investigation? Over a week or two after it happened. Or the night of if someone was really close to the situation. Do you want know who the first portal commit is going to be? Just read between the lines.
 
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Scholarships now more than ever are a 1 year deal. Guys are getting paid by NIL. Coaches leashes are shorter than ever. It’s win or get fired. Gone are the days of a guy only marginally improving for 3 years and praying senior year is the year. Perform or be replaced.
To me it doesn’t seem like Pedon has a short leash because he isn’t building a program or coaching with any sense of urgency. We basically have a roster of guys we hope get significantly better in their 4th and 5th years playing college basketball. And that Johnny and Chase become all mvc players. This program has no identity whatsoever.
 
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To me it doesn’t seem like Pedon has a short leash because he isn’t building a program or coaching with any sense of urgency. We basically have a roster of guys we hope get significantly better in their 4th and 5th years playing college basketball. And that Johnny and Chase become all mvc players. This program has no identity whatsoever.
My comment was more you get your first contract. Nobody is getting extended without results (except Valpo). Just look at Mullins.
 

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The feeder program could work albeit it may be hard to sustain. I would assume a staff that is so strong at talent evaluation would be plucked.

I didn't mention it but the disparity on salaries between MVC and the mid major conferences we aspire to compete against is a growing concern. Losing a successful coach to SLU (assumption) just highlights that.
SLU has an enormous endowment, ~$2B if memory serves. But even more importantly, the administrators there have more flexibility in how they allocate resources. No BOR, BOT, or state government involved. Title IX is less constraining. Fluidity between academic and athletic uses. I'm recalling how SLU was able to entice Rick Majerus out of retirement, back when ISU was trying to figure out how to pay a coach more than $300K. This is not new, is all I'm saying.
 

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The other negative on top of this is that if players are gonna start using MM schools for a year or two, then transferring and getting NIL $$$, what little old fashioned team basketball there still is will disappear because all those young players will be looking to pad their stats and be playing a lot of me ball to attract attention and get the big $$$.

Man, that is one long sentence but I am too lazy to try to break it up……
😂
 

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SLU has an enormous endowment, ~$2B if memory serves. But even more importantly, the administrators there have more flexibility in how they allocate resources. No BOR, BOT, or state government involved. Title IX is less constraining. Fluidity between academic and athletic uses. I'm recalling how SLU was able to entice Rick Majerus out of retirement, back when ISU was trying to figure out how to pay a coach more than $300K. This is not new, is all I'm saying.
I think we try to aspire to be in the same class as A10, MWC, AAC, and West Coast versus the next tier of MM schools. The A10 and most of the coaches in theses conference are making much more that coaches from the MVC. I didn't realize the gap with the A10 until the Schertz recruitment happened. SLU is at the top of the A10
 
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