Myles Foster officially enters Transfer Portal!

[isuquinndog]

I hate that players get paid. They already did with a free education, housing and food. That's a big investment from a university. Oh well it it's what it is.

I think they should get paid, especially in P5 as schools are making tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars off them.

But the schools should be paying it, not the boosters. If businesses want to offer deals, that's fine. But they should be employees.

 

[dpdoughbird06]

Was fantasizing the same. If you could outbid them and buy the best players with a four year deal before they have a chance to react and dig deeper in the war chest you could shoe in a valley championship and autobid and hopefully spoil the party a few times

Otherwise, as a poor man I’m not buying a Chase Walker jersey from Empower the Nest and watch him eventually move on.

A Redbird jersey is forever: just ask @Adunk33 about his Justin Clark and Trey Blue vintage collection.

 

[Redbird28]

Outside of a basketball related job I would think prospective employers would be hesitant to hire people with a hodgepodge of transcripts from multiple schools. It shows instability, indecision, and perhaps a perception of immaturity.

As a hiring manager it shows me a lack of loyalty, insofar as a person who will come, gain some experience and bounce for a better offer as soon as it comes along, but realistically the vast majority of these guys are not looking for stability/put down roots that an office job would provide. They are looking to capitalize on their athletic gifts while they are able, and I don't necessarily blame them for that since the NCAA has kicked the door wide open to allow them to do it. I don't like it, but it's the world we reside in, and yes Quinn, it's going to kill interest in the college game.

 

[Birdfriend72]

As a hiring manager it shows me a lack of loyalty, insofar as a person who will come, gain some experience and bounce for a better offer as soon as it comes along, but realistically the vast majority of these guys are not looking for stability/put down roots that an office job would provide. They are looking to capitalize on their athletic gifts while they are able, and I don't necessarily blame them for that since the NCAA has kicked the door wide open to allow them to do it. I don't like it, but it's the world we reside in, and yes Quinn, it's going to kill interest in the college game.

This is why the coach's mindset has to change. Let's take a player on our roster that is a freshman/sophomore. If they had a terrible year...the evaluation process has to be looked at hard. Was it an adjustment thing? Are they not what you expected? If you don't think you can win with them- it's time to move on. That's the jerk move- but the world we are living in. A coach doesn't have a lifetime for him to develop. Once he does- he hits the portal and it's next man up. Unfortunately, basketball is so different from the other sports provided.

 

[Aggie]

Today's NIL has brought the under the table payments above the table. The programs with the big money have always been paying players more than programs with less money, let alone programs with little-to-no money. Unfortunately, the asking price players are demanding up front and the pools of money the major collectives are now pumping into the system are far, far greater than they were just a few years ago, and programs like our beloved ISU simply cannot compete in that environment.

The good news is that reforms in terms of NIL and the transfer portal will come; they simply must come if anything resembling "traditional/amateur" college athletics is to survive. However, the bad news, my guess is, is that many of us will not like the final results. The networks and the two or three remaining major conferences will establish an "elite" level of about 50 programs, and the rest will be pushed into a lower division or divisions. Among the casualties will be even some of the programs currently included in the "major" conferences. Sorry, programs like Vanderbilt; you simply will take up too much of the shared revenue from the television deals that want to show Texas/Michigan/Alabama football and Duke/UNC/Kansas basketball. Even then, something tells me that farther down the road such a new version of the marriage of "major" college athletics and massive network contract money is going to collapse in on itself, especially if ratings eventually start to decline and the networks decide as a result to start cutting back on the amounts they are willing to pay. Perhaps then a return to smaller, more regionally based conferences with some realistic/somewhat affordable guidelines in terms of player compensation will emerge. Maybe? Possibly? Yeah, you're right; probably not. A fan can dream, though.

I do not think the above is a dream, but this whole thing is evolving and will change. Good or bad it will change. What is not sustainable will go on longer than one thinks it can but it will change eventually. I think you are correct in that 50 or so programs form an organization separate from the ncaa and then one has problems in the “minor” college sports world. Does the ncaa in its current form survive? Do companies buy “interest” or partial ownership in a team? How does the sponsoring university maintain or give up control over all this? ISU and lots of other mid major programs are in the same boat. No Boone Pickens to float the money, no big urban area with a potential big audience. No past success like Gonzaga with a national following. I also think you are going to get state legislators involved in all this. An example would be the North Carolina and NC State “marriage”. The next few years could look really ugly for a number of programs. That is why for now at least I think you build for next year and next year only. And then the next year after that.

 

[Hamdonger]

If you buy a jersey make sure the os name applied with velcro so you can switch it out after a year

My favorite is the velcro swatch Justin Case jersey.

 

[Scipio]

I’m tired of excuses. Portal sucks, NIL sucks, blah, blah and blah. Indiana State figured it out. PeeU (Bradley) seems to have figured it out. How about Illinois State hire a hard hitting AD and get this program rolling? I am sick to death of excuses and mediocrity. Figure it out and get it done. That’s what you are paid huge salaries to do.

 

[cpacmel]

I’m tired of excuses. Portal sucks, NIL sucks, blah, blah and blah. Indiana State figured it out. PeeU (Bradley) seems to have figured it out. How about Illinois State hire a hard hitting AD and get this program rolling? I am sick to death of excuses and mediocrity. Figure it out and get it done. That’s what you are paid huge salaries to do.

I agree with ya about figuring it out. It's way overdue and it needs to be priority #1.

To say Indiana State has figured it out though.......ehhh.......I'm not ready to go there. They have had a tremendous season. Regular season Champs! But they didn't dance. They have gone very far in the NIT. But that's not the Big Dance. The buzz is Schertz could be gone as soon as their season ends. If he leaves, they start all over again. And I will say this again, NO BIG DANCE.

But yes, whomever is the new AD, figuring it out, has to happen. No excuses.

 

[Scipio]

I agree with ya about figuring it out. It's way overdue and it needs to be priority #1.

To say Indiana State has figured it out though.......ehhh.......I'm not ready to go there. They have had a tremendous season. Regular season Champs! But they didn't dance. They have gone very far in the NIT. But that's not the Big Dance. The buzz is Schertz could be gone as soon as their season ends. If he leaves, they start all over again. And I will say this again, NO BIG DANCE.

But yes, whomever is the new AD, figuring it out, has to happen. No excuses.

Valid points all. But I would certainly take Indiana States season over ours (for the last ten years). My overall point is that we as a fan base have become used to failure and accept it. Every season we renew our season tickets and expect improvement. But there is no improvement.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Maybe we somehow incentivize the NIL. As an example, score 20 points (in a win) and you get $20,000.
Of course I have no idea where that $20,000 would come from.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Maybe we somehow incentivize the NIL. As an example, score 20 points (in a win) and you get $20,000.
Of course I have no idea where that $20,000 would come from.

You did the hard part, leave the easy part to the rest of us.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

You did the hard part, leave the easy part to the rest of us.

Hah!

 

[Brick]

Back to original post more or less. It’s an opportunity for Lieb to step up. He has his
Limitations but he’s still 7.1”

 

[Moreorless]

Back to original post more or less. It’s an opportunity for Lieb to step up. He has his
Limitations but he’s still 7.1”

At 7.1” at think all it takes is just more effort seriously.

 

[cubird]

Better watch videos of UConns Donovan Clingan!

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Better watch videos of UConns Donovan Clingan!

And Chase watch video of DJ Burns.

 

[SgtHulka]

I’m tired of excuses. Portal sucks, NIL sucks, blah, blah and blah. Indiana State figured it out. PeeU (Bradley) seems to have figured it out. How about Illinois State hire a hard hitting AD and get this program rolling? I am sick to death of excuses and mediocrity. Figure it out and get it done. That’s what you are paid huge salaries to do.

2023 portal and the 2024 portals are two different animals to be fair. There was a few days of a heavy rain of transfers last year, but entire teams, and stars at big programs racing to play Let’s Make A Deal are a call for @crazzymark to start building an ark this year.

We have no choice but to navigate it best we can like everyone else just the same. Gotta find a sweet spot we can exist in. We’ll find out soon enough if Pedon has the ability

 

[Hamdonger]

2023 portal and the 2024 portals are two different animals to be fair. There was a few days of a heavy rain of transfers last year, but entire teams, and stars at big programs racing to play Let’s Make A Deal are a call for @crazzymark to start building an ark this year.

We have no choice but to navigate it best we can like everyone else just the same. Gotta find a sweet spot we can exist in. We’ll find out soon enough if Pedon has the ability

I concur with you. YIKES, SOAP BOX AHEAD! If no energy to read, believe me I understand. I just don't know how we find a sweet spot when the cookie batter is sand and rabbit pellets. It's a silent auction, highest bidder wins.

It's the way of this athletics world now, but we might as well head on over to Big Al's because instead of getting "it" the old fashioned way, we're gonna have to pay for "it." And the sex isn't meaningful. It's a mere manipulative transaction.

I don't know how in the world a guy like Pedon, or any other coach outside of the top 40, navigates this and creates a cultured, winning program. It's not a bitchfest, it's trying to figure it out. **And outside of a multiple multi million dollar collective...YEAR IN/YEAR OUT...I don't see it happening.** And this only serves men's basketball!!! What about our other athletic programs on both sides? What about our University as as whole?? More on that in a sec...

You ever had anyone ask you for something and they wouldn't leave you alone and it almost resorted to constant drumbeat begging over an extended period of time? Yeah, me neither but imagine the scenario. Please please puhhhllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaase help us. Daddy will you buy me a car? Daddy please. Oh please Daddy. Yes I'll buy you a car. But please Daddy, buy me a car. Please. Please. Months later...please Daddy. Finally Daddy is so irritated that he flips out at the constant badgering and the car is no more. F*%! THE CAR!

The 'fundraising' will be nonstop begging. And this particular fundraising is for the prostitutes...errr, student athletes...errr, athletes. (Oh whoa dangerous question: who are the pimps??? Yikes.) Not any other university endeavors - such as creating an engineering program or an endowment program that serves lesser privileged student candidates to our enrollment. That's how anyone in our shoes will have to compete.

Sincere question, practically speaking...do any of you see any other way in being competitive? (outside of pimpdaddy NCAA evenly distributing "dividends" to all schools) Any thoughts?

And if we do strike it lucky and are competitive over the course of ONE year, how do you maintain it? It's seems to me that players will be dipping and diving, nevertheless. Coaches are on the arm, too.. Culture is OUT the window.

Silent auction, highest bidder, no reserves.


*PS. I don't blame the athletes directly. They're being taught what to do by this sideways marketplace and how do you turn down mo' money mo' money mo' money?

And AGGIE, yes your Dad had good advice. I'd like to hang with that guy. But all of a sudden WarGames is in my head.

• Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken.
• Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua.
• Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

 

[Hamdonger]

This guy may have the best practical advice.

 

[Redbird222]

I concur with you. YIKES, SOAP BOX AHEAD! If no energy to read, believe me I understand. I just don't know how we find a sweet spot when the cookie batter is sand and rabbit pellets. It's a silent auction, highest bidder wins.

It's the way of this athletics world now, but we might as well head on over to Big Al's because instead of getting "it" the old fashioned way, we're gonna have to pay for "it." And the sex isn't meaningful. It's a mere manipulative transaction.

I don't know how in the world a guy like Pedon, or any other coach outside of the top 40, navigates this and creates a cultured, winning program. It's not a bitchfest, it's trying to figure it out. **And outside of a multiple multi million dollar collective...YEAR IN/YEAR OUT...I don't see it happening.** And this only serves men's basketball!!! What about our other athletic programs on both sides? What about our University as as whole?? More on that in a sec...

You ever had anyone ask you for something and they wouldn't leave you alone and it almost resorted to constant drumbeat begging over an extended period of time? Yeah, me neither but imagine the scenario. Please please puhhhllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaase help us. Daddy will you buy me a car? Daddy please. Oh please Daddy. Yes I'll buy you a car. But please Daddy, buy me a car. Please. Please. Months later...please Daddy. Finally Daddy is so irritated that he flips out at the constant badgering and the car is no more. F*%! THE CAR!

The 'fundraising' will be nonstop begging. And this particular fundraising is for the prostitutes...errr, student athletes...errr, athletes. (Oh whoa dangerous question: who are the pimps??? Yikes.) Not any other university endeavors - such as creating an engineering program or an endowment program that serves lesser privileged student candidates to our enrollment. That's how anyone in our shoes will have to compete.

Sincere question, practically speaking...do any of you see any other way in being competitive? (outside of pimpdaddy NCAA evenly distributing "dividends" to all schools) Any thoughts?

And if we do strike it lucky and are competitive over the course of ONE year, how do you maintain it? It's seems to me that players will be dipping and diving, nevertheless. Coaches are on the arm, too.. Culture is OUT the window.

Silent auction, highest bidder, no reserves.


*PS. I don't blame the athletes directly. They're being taught what to do by this sideways marketplace and how do you turn down mo' money mo' money mo' money?

And AGGIE, yes your Dad had good advice. I'd like to hang with that guy. But all of a sudden WarGames is in my head.

• Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken.
• Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua.
• Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

It is not sustainable. The hype and frenzy is causing the NIL to escalate. At some point the water will level off but it will be clearly be above ISU's head and we will continue to gurgle.

Reed this article if you want more proof of the disparity.

Report: Wisconsin Basketball Transfer Seeking $1 Million NIL Deal

The Badgers transfer is rightfully chasing that bag.

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