Myles Foster officially enters Transfer Portal!

[Redbird222]

More than Avila got in his $30,000 this year

And a car

 

[Birdfriend72]

It sucks. It always will. You CAN get fortunate and flip it in a hurry like Drake and Indy State have done, but it can also disappear overnight like SIU. These days, you have to literally plan year-by-year because of roster turnover. So can we get lucky and have a big year next year? Sure. Weirder things have happened. But the days of "building" a mid-major program are over. The NCAA tourney will be next. So we better make it back soon, or we may miss that chance forever. What a turd that would be if the tourney (as we know it) goes away before we can get back there.

It does go both ways. If a kid isn’t cutting it- you have a decision to make. That’s if someone in the portal is better than what you have!

 

[DoubleDeuce]

When they're labeled employees instead of students we can have them sign multi year contracts to keep the turnover down.

Maybe...or maybe some schools offer 1-year contracts that instantly become more attractive to desirable recruits.

 

[Moreorless]

I hate that players get paid. They already did with a free education, housing and food. That's a big investment from a university. Oh well it it's what it is.

Idk

 

[Aggie]

Reload, rebuild, constantly evaluating talent, constantly recruiting, go all in for the next year. Those are the new rules. Love ‘em, hate ‘em, it is what it is. Figure out a way to be successful under the new “rules” or go get management that can. Not all that different than juco. There are successful junior college programs that did it for many years. Figure out what works. Outside of maybe 40-50 programs everyone is in the same boat. If others are successful at this then ISU can also. My Dad would say quit the bitching and figure it out.

 

[DougSutton]

Reload, rebuild, constantly evaluating talent, constantly recruiting, go all in for the next year. Those are the new rules. Love ‘em, hate ‘em, it is what it is. Figure out a way to be successful under the new “rules” or go get management that can. Not all that different than juco. There are successful junior college programs that did it for many years. Figure out what works. Outside of maybe 40-50 programs everyone is in the same boat. If others are successful at this then ISU can also. My Dad would say quit the bitching and figure it out.

Absolutely. Living in San Diego now, I follow the Mountain West conference more than the Valley. Utah State won the regular season title and made the NCAA tournament with an entirely new roster from the previous season. They're just one example of a program that has turned things completely around in 1 season.

 

[SgtHulka]

Bye Miles. Can’t spare any luck to wish you. Those days are over.

I agreed that players needed a cut of the monster bucks rolling into the NCAA, but they’ve offloaded that burden to boosters. Won’t get any of my money, unless as noted later I hit the power ball. Then… I’d anti up enough to outbid the big boys and see how they deal with it.

 

[TBS_20]

Maybe...or maybe some schools offer 1-year contracts that instantly become more attractive to desirable recruits.

Yeah, that's the game. If they want 1 year we tell them bye and go after guys wanting to build consistency.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Absolutely. Living in San Diego now, I follow the Mountain West conference more than the Valley. Utah State won the regular season title and made the NCAA tournament with an entirely new roster from the previous season. They're just one example of a program that has turned things completely around in 1 season.

Utah State Coach brought a First Team All-MWC Center and an All-MWC Point Guard with him from Montana State. Without the luxury of having those two Utah State would not have finish in the top half of the MWC. I’m guessing that the All-MWC Center will be following him to Seattle.

 

[Moreorless]

Bye Miles. Can’t spare any luck to wish you. Those days are over.

I agreed that players needed a cut of the monster bucks rolling into the NCAA, but they’ve offloaded that burden to boosters. Won’t get any of my money, unless as noted later I hit the power ball. Then… I’d anti up enough to outbid the big boys and see how they deal with it.

I agree. The money should be coming straight off the top. It won’t and more than likely never will. That’s the only way to have deserving programs on a level playing field.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

The sooner you accept that scholarships are one year deals the better off you’ll be.

Well said. It really sucks by the old world standards that Foster is moving on but how can you blame him…think about the season former Saluki’s domansk and jones have experienced all the while $$$s, better this, better that…etc. foster moving on is no indictment of ISU and/or Pedon. Hopefully we end up even better than foster via his portal replacement. Unfortunately our hoop history is really working against Pedon so he better be aggressive and bold.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

We aren’t offering the hundreds of thousands + a lambo or whatever car it was Reeves got from UK. We had a more than fair offer and probably more than you’d expect.

What is the measure of a “ more than fair offer”?

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Just because they enter the portal doesn't mean he's gone, but likely. Can't remember who, but we had one person enter and withdraw.

I don't blame any of the players for looking for more money now that it's okay. Recruiting becomes more important than ever.

I do think we all know that Foster will be getting a tremendous amount of attention/calls/offers. I’ll bet his phone is blowing up big time as we post.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

What kind of NIL numbers can ISU offer? I think my only point of reference is the big deal Reeves got from UK, so any Valley numbers would be interesting to know.

I heard domask’s Illini nil was around 400k…some claim even higher. Hard to image siu could have offered anything close.

 

[Bird Friend]

I heard domask’s Illini nil was around 400k…some claim even higher. Hard to image siu could have offered anything close.

Hard to imagine he was worth that much . . . good, yes, but . . .

 

[Birdfriend72]

Hard to imagine he was worth that much . . . good, yes, but . . .

He made almost as much as Ryan Pedon. lol

 

[Redbird222]

Most of us do not have unlimited financial resources. Even if you have the luxury of some disposable income that can be used for donations, you are now faced with the dilemma of do I donate to the school and support initiatives that impact athletes or for years to come or do I donate to a collective. A collective, with input from the coach and athletic department, that has to distribute funds in this chaotic environment in the hopes to attract/retain the right talent.

Remember, NIL is not paid by the university directly (they may have input) but it's donors or corporations that support the collective. You know - you, me, and State Farm. Honestly, I have had a hard time justifying donating to the collective knowing the NIL deals are for one year. The year ends and the player is essentially a free agent and let the bidding begin. I would not have as much heartburn donating to the collective if it actually would retain the talent for a longer period of time. Hell I would even like to give a player more $$ in the 4th year at ISU, regardless of his basketball talent, who demonstrates leadership, loyalty, and other virtues I would want to instill in young men. So I question if it will retain the talent and wonder if giving 18 - 22 24 (Covid) year-olds is prudent and thus I have not donated.

Now here's the predicament, I don't know how many basketball games we will with that philosophy.

Hence, I am conflicted. Even when I begin to get my ahead around NIL and start to open up to supporting a collective, I begin to think is it really worth it? Foster entering the portal makes me question this even again. The deal he was offered was more than fair for MVC and much more than the 30k Avila had this year. However, I read somewhere (I cannot locate the article) that starting p6 players averaged somewhere between 200k to 300k from collectives. A bargain starter was 150k. The article also mentioned the SEC was driving up the costs and other conferences were getting upset with them. So the money and opportunity for greater financial success, albeit for a short-term, is real. Can or should I be pissed he left ISU? Probably not, but I can be disappointed.

The ISU collective is hoping to have 250k per year (up from a desired 150k last year) for just men's basketball. That's a significant increase in % which is awesome. However, remember this is annually and its needs to repeat and most likely grow next year and beyond. It's not hard to do the math and see it will be a tall task to continue to raise this also knowing how far behind we are from the P6 teams. I begin to think - am I just throwing money out the door so it can be distributed to mediocre, one-dimensional player who is not necessarily committed to the school I cherish so much? Then the birdie on the other shoulder (usually dressed in red with a pitchfork) says you may need to donate to arm the coach with the appropriate resources to compete in this chaotic yet undesirable environment. I also confess that sometimes I get delusional and think if we win and the stands are full, maybe there would be enough folks to help the support financially. Then the birdie on my other should says - even if that happens would it be sustainable?

Thus the dilemma and quagmire. Either way - I think I will be saying this quite often in the future:

Myles (insert players name), thank you for your one year of service and I will reluctantly root for you and often wonder what could have been if you and some others had stayed at ISU.

 

[redblood]

Does anyone else think it is kind of a sad reflection on the world that people who are fortunate enough to have the financial means to support causes of their choosing, even have to think about handing out their hard earned $ to ensure “insert name here” student athlete gets to play the sport he/she wants at a institution of higher learning? Kinda seems like priorities are a little out of whack right now. Peace.

 

[Hamdonger]

Most of us do not have unlimited financial resources. Even if you have the luxury of some disposable income that can be used for donations, you are now faced with the dilemma of do I donate to the school and support initiatives that impact athletes or for years to come or do I donate to a collective. A collective, with input from the coach and athletic department, that has to distribute funds in this chaotic environment in the hopes to attract/retain the right talent.

Remember, NIL is not paid by the university directly (they may have input) but it's donors or corporations that support the collective. You know - you, me, and State Farm. Honestly, I have had a hard time justifying donating to the collective knowing the NIL deals are for one year. The year ends and the player is essentially a free agent and let the bidding begin. I would not have as much heartburn donating to the collective if it actually would retain the talent for a longer period of time. Hell I would even like to give a player more $$ in the 4th year at ISU, regardless of his basketball talent, who demonstrates leadership, loyalty, and other virtues I would want to instill in young men. So I question if it will retain the talent and wonder if giving 18 - 22 24 (Covid) year-olds is prudent and thus I have not donated.

Now here's the predicament, I don't know how many basketball games we will with that philosophy.

Hence, I am conflicted. Even when I begin to get my ahead around NIL and start to open up to supporting a collective, I begin to think is it really worth it? Foster entering the portal makes me question this even again. The deal he was offered was more than fair for MVC and much more than the 30k Avila had this year. However, I read somewhere (I cannot locate the article) that starting p6 players averaged somewhere between 200k to 300k from collectives. A bargain starter was 150k. The article also mentioned the SEC was driving up the costs and other conferences were getting upset with them. So the money and opportunity for greater financial success, albeit for a short-term, is real. Can or should I be pissed he left ISU? Probably not, but I can be disappointed.

The ISU collective is hoping to have 250k per year (up from a desired 150k last year) for just men's basketball. That's a significant increase in % which is awesome. However, remember this is annually and its needs to repeat and most likely grow next year and beyond. It's not hard to do the math and see it will be a tall task to continue to raise this also knowing how far behind we are from the P6 teams. I begin to think - am I just throwing money out the door so it can be distributed to mediocre, one-dimensional player who is not necessarily committed to the school I cherish so much? Then the birdie on the other shoulder (usually dressed in red with a pitchfork) says you may need to donate to arm the coach with the appropriate resources to compete in this chaotic yet undesirable environment. I also confess that sometimes I get delusional and think if we win and the stands are full, maybe there would be enough folks to help the support financially. Then the birdie on my other should says - even if that happens would it be sustainable?

Thus the dilemma and quagmire. Either way - I think I will be saying this quite often in the future:

Myles (insert players name), thank you for your one year of service and I will reluctantly root for you and often wonder what could have been if you and some others had stayed at ISU.

Fun post.

 

[GOP_Redbird]

Make a call for Bronny