MVC Game 11

[Redbird222]

I've never been a fan of playing for 2nd. Go Drake.

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[RedbirdSoxFan]

Some quick math had the 14 seed averaged an RPI of 110 and 15 seed averaged an RPI of 128 last year. The net rankings make us look worse than RPI currently which is 141 on Warren Nolan. A win at Arch Madness likely will set us up against a 2 seed unless we (or Loyola) finish strong. If anyone else wins St Louis a 15 seed is a lock.

DRAKE

 

[PubIIDreaming]

Write it down has my hot take.

There is ZERO chance that if ISU or Loyola win the MVC tourney, they will be lower than a 14 seed. Z.E.R.O. Zero.

I'll do you one better. I say there is zero chance that if ISU or Loyola win the MVC tourney, they will be lower than a 13 seed. 14 seed or lower? Not gonna happen. No way, nope.

 

[ricohill]

Listed below is the RPI of every team MVC team to make the NCAA tourney since 1980 (when NCAA started using RPI). At this point it looks like unless Drake wins Arch Madness it will be the first time an MVC team won't be in the top 100.

Top 3 RPI 2018-19
Drake - 66
Loyola - 129
Illinois State - 142

Year Team RPI
92 Mo State 98
90 Illinois State 86
11 Indiana State 84
93 SIU 82
1 Indiana State 76
88 Wichita 74
16 UNI 70
4 UNI 69
89 Creighton 66
9 UNI 59
0 Creighton 58
87 Wichita 58
85 Wichita 57
94 Tulsa 53
99 Evansville 52
83 Illinois State 50
80 Bradley 50
87 Tulsa 49
0 Indiana State 48
16 Wichita 47
97 Illinois State 46
5 Creighton 44
2 Creighton 44
96 Tulsa 42
3 SIU 41
2 SIU 41
94 SIU 41
86 Tulsa 40
91 Creighton 38
81 Creighton 38
13 Wichita 37
5 UNI 37
85 Illinois State 36
84 Illinois State 36
95 SIU 35
99 Creighton 34
98 Illinois State 34
6 Bradley 33
4 SIU 33
17 Wichita 32
1 Creighton 30
96 Bradley 30
88 Bradley 30
85 Tulsa 30
6 SIU 29
99 Mo State 28
82 Tulsa 28
81 Wichita 28
6 Wichita 27
3 Creighton 26
13 Creighton 25
6 UNI 25
12 Creighton 24
18 Loyola 22
7 Creighton 21
5 SIU 18
84 Tulsa 18
15 Wichita 17
10 UNI 17
95 Tulsa 16
86 Bradley 16
15 UNI 14
12 Wichita 12
8 Drake 10
7 SIU 9
14 Wichita 4

 

[stats]

ON ESPN they were talking about factors they don't like in NET that could be considered flaws by the committee. Scoring Margin (with a cap) is figured in NET. They argued this is a disadvantage to teams in tougher conferences. The MVC is still rated as a tougher conference than almost 20 of the conferences. They also figure in NET efficiency which covers stats like rebounding, turnovers, free throws etc. It does not figure in other parts of the game like charges, tips, staying with your man etc.

I doubt the committee is sold on NET. In the end, we all know that they will use any method they can to justify getting as many Power Conference teams in as possible.

 

[isuquinndog]

Rico are those single numbers in the left column 200x? Like 5 is 2005?

 

[Baltimore Bird]

Long time ago, but I remember ISU being a 14 seed after winning the MVC tournament in 1990. That was in the days when the MVC tournament was played at ONE campus and 1990 was our year thanks to the new arena. We were not the top seed for the tourney.
For those too young to remember, we were tied with Michigan at 70 with not much time to go, but lost a very close game.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Listed below is the RPI of every team MVC team to make the NCAA tourney since 1980 (when NCAA started using RPI). At this point it looks like unless Drake wins Arch Madness it will be the first time an MVC team won't be in the top 100.

Painting a picture to draw a conclusion or just interesting fact?

 

[ricohill]

Rico are those single numbers in the left column 200x? Like 5 is 2005?

Yes, that is 2000's. Sorry I made the table on excel and didn't change it.

 

[ricohill]

Listed below is the RPI of every team MVC team to make the NCAA tourney since 1980 (when NCAA started using RPI). At this point it looks like unless Drake wins Arch Madness it will be the first time an MVC team won't be in the top 100.

Painting a picture to draw a conclusion or just interesting fact?

It was brought up earlier in the thread. Someone asked if there had ever been a sub 100 team from the Valley to make the tournament. I was just bored last night listening to the coaches show and went through the list to see.

 

[birdlife]

not sure if this was the bracket anyone was referring to, but SB Nation has us as the 15.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2019/2/5/18211258/bracketology-2019-college-basketball-duke-virginia-tennessee-michigan-gonzaga-virginia-tech-belmont

 

[DoubleDeuce]

It was brought up earlier in the thread. Someone asked if there had ever been a sub 100 team from the Valley to make the tournament. I was just bored last night listening to the coaches show and went through the list to see.

I thought it seemed like a lot of research...well done. If you're bored then go mow the lawn (that's what Mom used to tell me anyway).

 

[Adunk33]

not sure if this was the bracket anyone was referring to, but SB Nation has us as the 15.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2019/2/5/18211258/bracketology-2019-college-basketball-duke-virginia-tennessee-michigan-gonzaga-virginia-tech-belmont

I don't put a ton of stock in what SBnation puts out regarding Brackets, but I would love that regional. Us as the 15 and UK as the 2... Birds would flock to Iowa to give it some home atmosphere, and then the winner would play the winner of Az State and Baylor... the Baylor team that lost to Texas Southern, Ole Miss, Wichita State, and SFA. They are on a 6 game winning streak though.

Anyway, loooong way to go before we can talk about that any further :lol:

 

[ricohill]

not sure if this was the bracket anyone was referring to, but SB Nation has us as the 15.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2019/2/5/18211258/bracketology-2019-college-basketball-duke-virginia-tennessee-michigan-gonzaga-virginia-tech-belmont

I don't put a ton of stock in what SBnation puts out regarding Brackets, but I would love that regional. Us as the 15 and UK as the 2... Birds would flock to Iowa to give it some home atmosphere, and then the winner would play the winner of Az State and Baylor... the Baylor team that lost to Texas Southern, Ole Miss, Wichita State, and SFA. They are on a 6 game winning streak though.

Anyway, loooong way to go before we can talk about that any further :lol:

I refuse to look at these. It only brings up bad memories of years past when I got way too excited. When we win in St. Louis, I will study every single projection until selection Sunday.

 

[DannyCooksey]

Long time ago, but I remember ISU being a 14 seed after winning the MVC tournament in 1990. That was in the days when the MVC tournament was played at ONE campus and 1990 was our year thanks to the new arena. We were not the top seed for the tourney.
For those too young to remember, we were tied with Michigan at 70 with not much time to go, but lost a very close game.

Tied at 70 with 1:30 left to play. Birds played their hearts out against the defending champions who still had two lottery picks. I think the final was 76-70. I loved that team. Great seniors:

Rickey Jackson
Jarrod Coleman
Randy Blair
Jon Pemberton
Sonny Roberts

Loved Rickey Jackson. He played a remarkable game in the MVC semis against Creighton a mere hours after his mother passed away. I don’t know how he did that.

We ran into him in the parking lot afterwards and he was all smiles and couldn’t have been a nicer guy. Incredible memories of that team.

 

[Buffett]

Long time ago, but I remember ISU being a 14 seed after winning the MVC tournament in 1990. That was in the days when the MVC tournament was played at ONE campus and 1990 was our year thanks to the new arena. We were not the top seed for the tourney.
For those too young to remember, we were tied with Michigan at 70 with not much time to go, but lost a very close game.

Tied at 70 with 1:30 left to play. Birds played their hearts out against the defending champions who still had two lottery picks. I think the final was 76-70. I loved that team. Great seniors:

Rickey Jackson
Jarrod Coleman
Randy Blair
Jon Pemberton
Sonny Roberts

Loved Rickey Jackson. He played a remarkable game in the MVC semis against Creighton a mere hours after his mother passed away. I don’t know how he did that.

We ran into him in the parking lot afterwards and he was all smiles and couldn’t have been a nicer guy. Incredible memories of that team.

Think he still works at ISU Campus Rec.

 

[ricohill]

Long time ago, but I remember ISU being a 14 seed after winning the MVC tournament in 1990. That was in the days when the MVC tournament was played at ONE campus and 1990 was our year thanks to the new arena. We were not the top seed for the tourney.
For those too young to remember, we were tied with Michigan at 70 with not much time to go, but lost a very close game.

Tied at 70 with 1:30 left to play. Birds played their hearts out against the defending champions who still had two lottery picks. I think the final was 76-70. I loved that team. Great seniors:

Rickey Jackson
Jarrod Coleman
Randy Blair
Jon Pemberton
Sonny Roberts

Loved Rickey Jackson. He played a remarkable game in the MVC semis against Creighton a mere hours after his mother passed away. I don’t know how he did that.

We ran into him in the parking lot afterwards and he was all smiles and couldn’t have been a nicer guy. Incredible memories of that team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBifA159WYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz60xUBJGzc

https://goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/8/MBB_0908142443.aspx

 

[Redbird28]

Long time ago, but I remember ISU being a 14 seed after winning the MVC tournament in 1990. That was in the days when the MVC tournament was played at ONE campus and 1990 was our year thanks to the new arena. We were not the top seed for the tourney.
For those too young to remember, we were tied with Michigan at 70 with not much time to go, but lost a very close game.

Tied at 70 with 1:30 left to play. Birds played their hearts out against the defending champions who still had two lottery picks. I think the final was 76-70. I loved that team. Great seniors:

Rickey Jackson
Jarrod Coleman
Randy Blair
Jon Pemberton
Sonny Roberts

Loved Rickey Jackson. He played a remarkable game in the MVC semis against Creighton a mere hours after his mother passed away. I don’t know how he did that.

We ran into him in the parking lot afterwards and he was all smiles and couldn’t have been a nicer guy. Incredible memories of that team.

Think he still works at ISU Campus Rec.

I ran in to Rickey and talked to him after the Loyola game Saturday night. Haven't seen him in forever, but he remembered me and gave me the high five/half hug like it hadn't been oh, about 20 years since we had last seen each other. I used to work with him when I was in school and working for Braden Auditorium. Back then he was part of the staff that scheduled the events that came through Braden/BSC. Needless to say, my wife was really confused as to who he was so I had to set her straight. He was wearing a Campus Rec pullover too, so I'd say you are probably right in that he still works for them.

 

[saxman210]

I gotta ask. When will recent results mean something? The NCAA can make up any numbers they want. The MVC delivered a final four entrant just a year ago. They should take stuff like this in account. They sure would for a P5.

You know that doesn’t matter. Unless you’re Syracuse.

 

[ricohill]

Long time ago, but I remember ISU being a 14 seed after winning the MVC tournament in 1990. That was in the days when the MVC tournament was played at ONE campus and 1990 was our year thanks to the new arena. We were not the top seed for the tourney.
For those too young to remember, we were tied with Michigan at 70 with not much time to go, but lost a very close game.

Tied at 70 with 1:30 left to play. Birds played their hearts out against the defending champions who still had two lottery picks. I think the final was 76-70. I loved that team. Great seniors:

Rickey Jackson
Jarrod Coleman
Randy Blair
Jon Pemberton
Sonny Roberts

Loved Rickey Jackson. He played a remarkable game in the MVC semis against Creighton a mere hours after his mother passed away. I don’t know how he did that.

We ran into him in the parking lot afterwards and he was all smiles and couldn’t have been a nicer guy. Incredible memories of that team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBifA159WYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz60xUBJGzc

https://goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/8/MBB_0908142443.aspx

I know this is going off topic, but thought those talking about 1990 would be interested in this website set up for the reunion they had a couple years ago.

http://www.isuredbirdbasketball.com/

Full Michigan NCAA Tournament game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV6PcdVNPbk