Lyons on bribery admission scandal

[ISU FAN 1]

https://youtu.be/CXdc2L3QH9U

 

[Reggie Redbird]

Taking the cheating test score situations out, which adds a whole level of complexity to fraud, do colleges do the same thing when they recruit a player’s sibling/relative/friend with a scholarship when that person is not actually an athlete “qualified” for that scholarship? Is that a bribe?

What if John Calipari offers a full ride student manager scholarship for the sibling or best friend of a top recruit? Is that a bribe?

What if Billy Donovan pays a recruit’s parent or AAU coach/handler to come instruct at camps or a position on his staff? Is that a bribe?

It is a lot harder to do in MBB, hiding naming someone a recruit, even a walk-on. However, it is clear when these package deals occur. Do those deals also take away opportunities for other students?

I think we are at the tip of the iceberg on issues like these where laws and ethics are involved.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I am shocked that there are lower admission standards for these student athletes. Not. Seems like the universities are a party to fraud when they lower the admission standards for athletes that take a spot away from a more qualified applicant, and then make millions off those athletes. Not too different than what happened in this bribery scandal. NCAA and P5s just exploiting the system that essentially allows the same thing. Maybe worse, white elites enriching themselves thru lowered admission standards, while unpaid black athletes do all the work.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Not that it justifies a bribery admissions scandal, but it’s been reported that it’s becoming increasingly difficult for in state residents to attend state schools. Financial issues are forcing state schools to bypass state residents to accept out of state/country applicants that pay higher tuition. Kind of bullshit when in state residents pay taxes to support those schools. I hear that’s become an issue with Illinois kids getting into U of I. That, and they give very little in financial aid, essentially discouraging families from sending kids there. Wonder how many equal or better credentialed in state kids are getting turned away for a higher paying out of state applicant? That’s another scandal that needs to be exposed.

 

[isuquinndog]

Not that it justifies a bribery admissions scandal, but it’s been reported that it’s becoming increasingly difficult for in state residents to attend state schools. Financial issues are forcing state schools to bypass state residents to accept out of state/country applicants that pay higher tuition. Kind of bullshit when in state residents pay taxes to support those schools. I hear that’s become an issue with Illinois kids getting into U of I. That, and they give very little in financial aid, essentially discouraging families from sending kids there. Wonder how many equal or better credentialed in state kids are getting turned away for a higher paying out of state applicant? That’s another scandal that needs to be exposed.

I'm sure this part of a reason why Illinois schools are taking more out of state kids.

https://week.com/news/bloomington-normal-news/2019/03/12/nearly-half-of-illinois-high-school-graduates-opting-for-out-of-state-universities/

 

[ricohill]

Not that it justifies a bribery admissions scandal, but it’s been reported that it’s becoming increasingly difficult for in state residents to attend state schools. Financial issues are forcing state schools to bypass state residents to accept out of state/country applicants that pay higher tuition. Kind of bullshit when in state residents pay taxes to support those schools. I hear that’s become an issue with Illinois kids getting into U of I. That, and they give very little in financial aid, essentially discouraging families from sending kids there. Wonder how many equal or better credentialed in state kids are getting turned away for a higher paying out of state applicant? That’s another scandal that needs to be exposed.

The state of Illinois isn't a great example (WIU, EIU, etc...), but higher education at 4 year schools is becoming a scam to make as much $$$ as possible. I know a lot of schools want as many out of state students as possible. Higher tuition for those kids ='s more money. Some schools are hurting, but a lot are sitting on a pile of cash.

 

[ricohill]

Not that it justifies a bribery admissions scandal, but it’s been reported that it’s becoming increasingly difficult for in state residents to attend state schools. Financial issues are forcing state schools to bypass state residents to accept out of state/country applicants that pay higher tuition. Kind of bullshit when in state residents pay taxes to support those schools. I hear that’s become an issue with Illinois kids getting into U of I. That, and they give very little in financial aid, essentially discouraging families from sending kids there. Wonder how many equal or better credentialed in state kids are getting turned away for a higher paying out of state applicant? That’s another scandal that needs to be exposed.

I'm sure this part of a reason why Illinois schools are taking more out of state kids.

https://week.com/news/bloomington-normal-news/2019/03/12/nearly-half-of-illinois-high-school-graduates-opting-for-out-of-state-universities/

It's annoying that other midwestern states are taking Illinois kids away because our state govt can't fund schools. Sorry if that is too political and feel free to delete.

 

[isuquinndog]

Not that it justifies a bribery admissions scandal, but it’s been reported that it’s becoming increasingly difficult for in state residents to attend state schools. Financial issues are forcing state schools to bypass state residents to accept out of state/country applicants that pay higher tuition. Kind of bullshit when in state residents pay taxes to support those schools. I hear that’s become an issue with Illinois kids getting into U of I. That, and they give very little in financial aid, essentially discouraging families from sending kids there. Wonder how many equal or better credentialed in state kids are getting turned away for a higher paying out of state applicant? That’s another scandal that needs to be exposed.

I'm sure this part of a reason why Illinois schools are taking more out of state kids.

https://week.com/news/bloomington-normal-news/2019/03/12/nearly-half-of-illinois-high-school-graduates-opting-for-out-of-state-universities/

It's annoying that other midwestern states are taking Illinois kids away because our state govt can't fund schools. Sorry if that is too political and feel free to delete.

It's fine. Just don't start getting into the politics of it, that's all. It is an issue. Just don't want "Dems did this!" or "Repubs did that!".

 

[SgtHulka]

I'm sure this part of a reason why Illinois schools are taking more out of state kids.

https://week.com/news/bloomington-normal-news/2019/03/12/nearly-half-of-illinois-high-school-graduates-opting-for-out-of-state-universities/

It's annoying that other midwestern states are taking Illinois kids away because our state govt can't fund schools. Sorry if that is too political and feel free to delete.

It's fine. Just don't start getting into the politics of it, that's all. It is an issue. Just don't want "Dems did this!" or "Repubs did that!".

Can we blame the independents?

 

[ISU FAN 1]

It's annoying that other midwestern states are taking Illinois kids away because our state govt can't fund schools. Sorry if that is too political and feel free to delete.

It's fine. Just don't start getting into the politics of it, that's all. It is an issue. Just don't want "Dems did this!" or "Repubs did that!".

Can we blame the independents?

I blame the Whig’s.

Interestingly, I have heard from several parents of well credentialed kids who are willing to pay up to go to U of I, but can’t get in. At least the white ones. U of I rolls out the red carpet for minority candidates.

One example is a A student with 30 on ACT can’t get accepted into U of I Marketing Dept. Wonder if my ISU Marketing degree could get me into U of I?

 

[isuquinndog]

I don't think 18 yr old isuquinndog could get into ISU now.

 

[BTbird]

It has changed over the years. Back in the day, it seems like most kids I knew went to one of the Illinois schools with a few going out of state. Now that my son is getting to the age of looking at colleges, it seems like out of state schools are everyone's focus now.

https://www.thetelegraph.com/opinio...larming-out-migration-of-college-13689726.php

 

[Hamdonger]

I don't think 18 yr old isuquinndog could get into ISU now.

Hamdonger's 3 year high school love had a sister who was engaged to a guy in ISU administration...and his father was a state senator. I had ISU down as one of the places I'd like to go. My grades were good enough, but low ACT. Administration dude told me to write a letter to admissions, and attach a letter from my baseball coach saying that I was interested in walking on to the baseball team. (which I was considering but wasn't necessarily true) I was to deliver my packet to administration dude.

Magically, 2 weeks later I received a letter saying I was accepted. No $$, but certainly influence fast-tracked my app.

Oh sht, my phone is ringing and caller ID says fed govt.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I don't think 18 yr old isuquinndog could get into ISU now.

Hamdonger's 3 year high school love had a sister who was engaged to a guy in ISU administration...and his father was a state senator. I had ISU down as one of the places I'd like to go. My grades were good enough, but low ACT. Administration dude told me to write a letter to admissions, and attach a letter from my baseball coach saying that I was interested in walking on to the baseball team. (which I was considering but wasn't necessarily true) I was to deliver my packet to administration dude.

Magically, 2 weeks later I received a letter saying I was accepted. No $$, but certainly influence fast-tracked my app.

Oh sht, my phone is ringing and caller ID says fed govt.

Everything adds up except the low ACT score. I can’t believe that part of the story.

 

[Hamdonger]

Everything adds up except the low ACT score. I can’t believe that part of the story.

Hehehe. Sarcasm plentiful like mustard today! Truth is, it was so low I was embarrased.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...id=tqwLBZz_qWOJNM&w=220&h=168&source=sh/x/im

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

It's fine. Just don't start getting into the politics of it, that's all. It is an issue. Just don't want "Dems did this!" or "Repubs did that!".

Can we blame the independents?

I blame the Whig’s.

Interestingly, I have heard from several parents of well credentialed kids who are willing to pay up to go to U of I, but can’t get in. At least the white ones. U of I rolls out the red carpet for minority candidates.

One example is a A student with 30 on ACT can’t get accepted into U of I Marketing Dept. Wonder if my ISU Marketing degree could get me into U of I?

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If you have a 30 why is one applying to u of i’s business school as they probably are unhighly likely to get accepted. Bad move and waste of time. Apply as a general major, ace all your classes frosh year and then apply to the business school.