Committed Jack Daugherty, 6-7/195, SF, Brookfield, WI

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Yes, I suspect Jordan and Steph would have good no matter what they did. The shooters in the 70's when they did not lift weights were just better pure shooters. I don't think it is even close. We can agree to disagree.
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I don’t agree. Today’s shooters overall are better and in today's game you have have upper body strength at every position to get through screens, rebound and play defense. He’s probably been in the weight room since at least 9th grade, and If he is going to be a D1 3 or 4 he’d better keep it up.
 
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Brief story in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about Mr. Daugherty's 3-point outbreak:

Brookfield Central's Daugherty sets program 3-point record

Brookfield Central senior and Illinois State commit Jack Daugherty has been heating up since the new year began, with the latest of three strong performances coming in Thursday's 92-57 win over West Allis Hale. The 6-foot-8 forward knocked down 11 three-pointers on 13 shots from beyond the arc to set a school record for converted three-pointers in a game.

Daugherty eclipsed the mark of eight triples set by Andrew Rohde (2021-22), Sam Rohde (2016-17), Alex Diciaula (2009-10) and Scott Bagguley (2005-06). For the game, he had 44 points and 11 rebounds.

'He made three-point shots in different ways: coming off screens, off the dribble and spotting up,' Brookfield Central head coach Dan Wandrey said. 'In addition to Jack hunting his shot, his teammates did a great job of getting him open and finding him.'

The performance followed 33 points in an 86-50 win over Menomonee Falls Jan. 4 and a 39-point night in an 88-80 loss to Marshfield on Jan. 6. The Lancers were sitting at 5-6 entering their Homan Showcase on Saturday. They'll look to continue feeding the hot hand in the latter half of the season.
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This kid could be a game changer for us - remeinds me of Soph at Belmont (Tyson?) who was MVC Frosh of year - inside and outside game
 
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Walker
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Daugherty
? (who is coming back next year aside from above)? Assuming will get 2 in from Transfer Portal
Thoughts?
 
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I think there are three others who have eligibility next year - Sissoko, Kasbuke, maybe Poindexter?
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Everyone on the team has at least one more year except Lewis and Schmitt. Guessing 3-4 of the currently listed "Sr" or "RS Sr" hit the portal, which would leave us with that many spots to fill.
 
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Bdub777....I know you disagree with me on weightlifting and how it affects shooting. That is fine. That is what these type of boards do.

FG%---The top 30 FG % teams all occurred between 1975 and 1989. In some of those years there was a 3 point shot and in some there was not.
3 Point FG%---The top 25 3 Point FG % teams all occurred from 1987 to 1994. ISU was #20 with a 3 Point % of 45.8 in 1987!!
Shooting has really suffered in the last 30 years.
 
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Baltimore Bird said:
Bdub777....I know you disagree with me on weightlifting and how it affects shooting. That is fine. That is what these type of boards do.

FG%---The top 30 FG % teams all occurred between 1975 and 1989. In some of those years there was a 3 point shot and in some there was not.
3 Point FG%---The top 25 3 Point FG % teams all occurred from 1987 to 1994. ISU was #20 with a 3 Point % of 45.8 in 1987!!
Shooting has really suffered in the last 30 years.
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Might also want to recognize that the 3-pt line was significantly closer to the hoop during those years . . . The shooting % was the reason they moved the line back . . . and then further again . . .
 
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Baltimore Bird said:
Bdub777....I know you disagree with me on weightlifting and how it affects shooting. That is fine. That is what these type of boards do.

FG%---The top 30 FG % teams all occurred between 1975 and 1989. In some of those years there was a 3 point shot and in some there was not.
3 Point FG%---The top 25 3 Point FG % teams all occurred from 1987 to 1994. ISU was #20 with a 3 Point % of 45.8 in 1987!!
Shooting has really suffered in the last 30 years.
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As Bird Friend point out the 3 point line was closer. However Jeff Harris, Matt Taphorn, an inside game with good shot selection will help that %!!

I would have liked to see what Brad Duncan's 3 pt % would have been.
 
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Redbird222 said:
As Bird Friend point out the 3 point line was closer. However Jeff Harris, Matt Taphorn, an inside game with good shot selection will help that %!!

I would have liked to see what Brad Duncan's 3 pt % would have been.
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I would also add offensive strategy has changed mightily since the good old days. Teams worked the ball inside to get a better % shot. As time has gone by teams have done the math and figured out that more 3's can mean more points even at a lower shooting %. The muscle-bound shooting thing doesn't add up. Good mechanics are good mechanics. If lifting didn't work to a player's advantage EVERYONE wouldn't be on strength programs. Science and math.
Please no weak wings.
 
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IAs time has gone by teams have done the math and figured out that more 3's can mean more points even at a lower shooting %. The muscle-bound shooting thing doesn't add up. Good mechanics are good mechanics. If lifting didn't work to a player's advantage EVERYONE wouldn't be on strength programs. Science and math.
Please no weak wings.
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Good 3 pt shooters lift hell good basketball players all lift... 100% agree.
 
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Scoring is way, way down from "the good old days". 24 of the top 25 scoring teams of all time were between 1965 and 1991. There was one exception in 2007. This is attributable to poorer shooting. Less shooting % = less points even with the 3. The game is still 40 minutes long. Those are the facts. MATH!!

I also believe the same things applies to baseball and the inability of pitchers to actually pitch. 300 inning pitchers are long gone. 200 inning pitchers are also becoming rare. More strength equals more velocity and many, many more injuries.

Yes, they all lift 222. Does that make them better shooters? I don;t think so. I believe it is due to too much weightlifting for the shooters (not the bigs). You don't. That is fine.

This is my last comment on this topic. Take care and GO BIRDS! I hope Daugherty shoot the lights out for us!
 
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For what it's worth, put me down in the "weight lifting messes up your shot" camp. I was never a great shooter but I was even worse when my arms were sore.
 
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I wonder how good of a shooter Steph would be if he never lifted weights. He would be unreal.
 
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Looking for reasons for poor shooting percentages....did wonder if Burford bulking up changed his mechanics. However, Poindexter should have never cut his hair😉
 
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