ISU over NIU listed as a possible FCS over FBS upset

[fourthandshort]

For the record, NIU is currently tied at 14-14 with #13 Utah in their house. A win by the Huskies makes the ISU loss look MUCH better for SOS arguments

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Nice job Huskies .. wonder if Jon is rooting for Huskies ??

Good luck !

 

[Stay Cool]

For the record, NIU is currently tied at 14-14 with #13 Utah in their house. A win by the Huskies makes the ISU loss look MUCH better for SOS arguments

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Nice job Huskies .. wonder if Jon is rooting for Huskies ??

Good luck !

Eh, we're losing by 11 now so don't cheer yet.

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[fourthandshort]

Just saw on NCAA.. statistically hanging with them. Looks like they are keeping your run game in check.

 

[Stay Cool]

Just saw on NCAA.. statistically hanging with them. Looks like they are keeping your run game in check.

BS targeting call, game is over

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[ChiRedbirdfan]

In college football, NIU is very accomplished and we should be striving for what their program has been able to accomplish with their limited budget. It is possible as many others have done it. But ISU is not striving for that level or else we would already be there.

I watched Georgia State University, who recently transitioned up to FBS, just beat Tennessee 38-30 at Tennessee. Many places have figured it out.

And we would pass NIU quickly as the #3 football program in the state, we have a better fanbase, enrollment and athletic budget.. its something as a school we HAVE to achieve, its for the benefit of the entire university.

I use to think that. How has being the #3 football program in the state been a benefit to NIU? Seems like the place is falling apart. Especially the Athletics Department.

Our last home playoff game drew 5300 fans. Second round. I was there. It was 50 degrees outside. That is not a fanbase. Every butt has a seat. Our seat is right where it belongs. We should own it.

I am actually surprised there was 5300 fans for a second round fcs playoff game. Pretty impressive given lack of notice and level of play.

 

[Jon99]

In college football, NIU is very accomplished and we should be striving for what their program has been able to accomplish with their limited budget. It is possible as many others have done it. But ISU is not striving for that level or else we would already be there.

I watched Georgia State University, who recently transitioned up to FBS, just beat Tennessee 38-30 at Tennessee. Many places have figured it out.

And we would pass NIU quickly as the #3 football program in the state, we have a better fanbase, enrollment and athletic budget.. its something as a school we HAVE to achieve, its for the benefit of the entire university.

I use to think that. How has being the #3 football program in the state been a benefit to NIU? Seems like the place is falling apart. Especially the Athletics Department.

Our last home playoff game drew 5300 fans. Second round. I was there. It was 50 degrees outside. That is not a fanbase. Every butt has a seat. Our seat is right where it belongs. We should own it.

Well I was comparing ISU to a school that draws about 1000 per basketball game and less than we do for football, so my bar was set very low..

Our problem is that the MAC is our only option for making the jump and they seem happy at 12, though if NIUs problems persist at what point are we the more attractive option in the state of Illinois as we excel???

 

[StLRedbird]

And we would pass NIU quickly as the #3 football program in the state, we have a better fanbase, enrollment and athletic budget.. its something as a school we HAVE to achieve, its for the benefit of the entire university.

I use to think that. How has being the #3 football program in the state been a benefit to NIU? Seems like the place is falling apart. Especially the Athletics Department.

Our last home playoff game drew 5300 fans. Second round. I was there. It was 50 degrees outside. That is not a fanbase. Every butt has a seat. Our seat is right where it belongs. We should own it.

I am actually surprised there was 5300 fans for a second round fcs playoff game. Pretty impressive given lack of notice and level of play.

I was one of the 5300 too. Sure felt to me like Hancock was more than half full, but what do I know? I know ISU was motivated not to count any tickets they didn't get $$ for. Anyway, they didn't call them dimes back then, but Richmond's QB was dropping them. Our D was good but on that day Lauletta? was better. Oh, and IIRC, Marshaun Coprich was stuffed in that game - no run offense at all.

Anyway, I hope the 'birds right the ship against Morehead St. [suppresses grin] We were very competitive against NIU. They had a little more stuff working than we did.

 

[Jon99]

NIU enrollment down 3% or 560 students to 16609(12405 undergrad).. tough stat for them is this is two years in a row of a freshman class of fewer than 2000.. Still the largest directional by a wide margin, but will also result in a large cut to their athletic budget.

UICU and UIC numbers should be out before the weekend, regardless still a good year for the Redbirds!!

 

[GhostofMBA]

NIU enrollment down 3% or 560 students to 16609(12405 undergrad).. tough stat for them is this is two years in a row of a freshman class of fewer than 2000.. Still the largest directional by a wide margin, but will also result in a large cut to their athletic budget.

UICU and UIC numbers should be out before the weekend, regardless still a good year for the Redbirds!!

NIU has a "location" problem. I remember going to an ISU/SIU football game where we had to sit on the sidelines because the place was overflowed. Got into a nice "chat" with a SIU professor and alumnus, they actually call us "Central Illinois State University". I learned something that day about ISU.

And if you look at the lack of Master/PhD professional degrees, then yeah, we are closer to "Central Illinois State University" than not. SIU was able to break off and form their own BoT. And then this person got sh## done:

The university continued primarily as a teacher's college until Delyte W. Morris took office as president of the university in 1948. Morris was SIU's longest-serving president (1948–1970).[11] During his presidency, Morris transformed SIU, adding Colleges of Law, Medicine and Dentistry. Southern Illinois University grew rapidly in size from 3,500 to over 24,800 students between 1950 and 1991.

College
Year founded

College of Agricultural Sciences
1955
College of Applied Sciences & Arts
1950
College of Business
1957
College of Education & Human Services
1869
College of Engineering
1961
College of Liberal Arts
1943
College of Mass Communication & Media Arts
1993
College of Science
1943
School of Law
1972
School of Medicine
1970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Illinois_University_Carbondale

NIU and SIU have got it done in the past. They will still be around. If SIU had the name "Illinois State University", then things may look vastly different. NIU's mistake is its location. SIU's mistake is not changing the name. But both, imho, accomplished more than ISU.

 

[Jon99]

I think calling us Central Illinois St is a complete fallacy when most of our students come from the suburbs, U of I and ISU are the only state schools that attract a decent number of students from all regions of the state, so are much more state wide than the others.

SIU's main problem is SIUE and location, suburban kids can currently go to out of state schools as close or closer and for less money.. And who wants to spend 4 years in Carbondale?

NIU's biggest problem is Dekalb and their campus, an unattractive campus with nothing to do, that sits next to section 8 housing with high crime is not what a suburban family wants for their blonde daughter. And who wants to spend 4 years in Dekalb when Normal (ISU) or Chicago (UIC) are options?

 

[fourthandshort]

I think NIU pre and post game week is over ... got to focus on NAU now.

Jon ... what do you think about our chances against NAU ? You want to start that thread or should I ??

 

[MadBird]

I think calling us Central Illinois St is a complete fallacy when most of our students come from the suburbs, U of I and ISU are the only state schools that attract a decent number of students from all regions of the state, so are much more state wide than the others.

SIU's main problem is SIUE and location, suburban kids can currently go to out of state schools as close or closer and for less money.. And who wants to spend 4 years in Carbondale?

NIU's biggest problem is Dekalb and their campus, an unattractive campus with nothing to do, that sits next to section 8 housing with high crime is not what a suburban family wants for their blonde daughter. And who wants to spend 4 years in Dekalb when Normal (ISU) or Chicago (UIC) are options?

fourthandshort, before we leave, just want to say that Clown99's last comments about section 8 and blonde daughters reveals a little more about what a doofus he or she is. This guy is an advisor in a high school?? Help us.

As for the growth and transformation of SIU, you can't discuss it without taking into account POLITICS, and also "legitimate" economic development issues. For years SIU got funding and opportunities (law school, med school, etc.) because that part of the state needed a boost, and the politicians got behind that.

 

[Stay Cool]

I think calling us Central Illinois St is a complete fallacy when most of our students come from the suburbs, U of I and ISU are the only state schools that attract a decent number of students from all regions of the state, so are much more state wide than the others.

SIU's main problem is SIUE and location, suburban kids can currently go to out of state schools as close or closer and for less money.. And who wants to spend 4 years in Carbondale?

NIU's biggest problem is Dekalb and their campus, an unattractive campus with nothing to do, that sits next to section 8 housing with high crime is not what a suburban family wants for their blonde daughter. And who wants to spend 4 years in Dekalb when Normal (ISU) or Chicago (UIC) are options?

fourthandshort, before we leave, just want to say that Clown99's last comments about section 8 and blonde daughters reveals a little more about what a doofus he or she is. This guy is an advisor in a high school?? Help us.

As for the growth and transformation of SIU, you can't discuss it without taking into account POLITICS, and also "legitimate" economic development issues. For years SIU got funding and opportunities (law school, med school, etc.) because that part of the state needed a boost, and the politicians got behind that.

He's not a counselor, he's a habitual liar (it may be pathological at this point). We have an entire thread on our home board logging his many personas, it's a little pathetic

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[fourthandshort]

I think calling us Central Illinois St is a complete fallacy when most of our students come from the suburbs, U of I and ISU are the only state schools that attract a decent number of students from all regions of the state, so are much more state wide than the others.

SIU's main problem is SIUE and location, suburban kids can currently go to out of state schools as close or closer and for less money.. And who wants to spend 4 years in Carbondale?

NIU's biggest problem is Dekalb and their campus, an unattractive campus with nothing to do, that sits next to section 8 housing with high crime is not what a suburban family wants for their blonde daughter. And who wants to spend 4 years in Dekalb when Normal (ISU) or Chicago (UIC) are options?

fourthandshort, before we leave, just want to say that Clown99's last comments about section 8 and blonde daughters reveals a little more about what a doofus he or she is. This guy is an advisor in a high school?? Help us.

As for the growth and transformation of SIU, you can't discuss it without taking into account POLITICS, and also "legitimate" economic development issues. For years SIU got funding and opportunities (law school, med school, etc.) because that part of the state needed a boost, and the politicians got behind that.

He's not a counselor, he's a habitual liar (it may be pathological at this point). We have an entire thread on our home board logging his many personas, it's a little pathetic

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so sounds like I will have to start he NAU game thread myself ... :think: .... I had so much hope for jon99, that he wasn;t just one and done with NIU game week ... :mrgreen:

 

[Jon99]

I think calling us Central Illinois St is a complete fallacy when most of our students come from the suburbs, U of I and ISU are the only state schools that attract a decent number of students from all regions of the state, so are much more state wide than the others.

SIU's main problem is SIUE and location, suburban kids can currently go to out of state schools as close or closer and for less money.. And who wants to spend 4 years in Carbondale?

NIU's biggest problem is Dekalb and their campus, an unattractive campus with nothing to do, that sits next to section 8 housing with high crime is not what a suburban family wants for their blonde daughter. And who wants to spend 4 years in Dekalb when Normal (ISU) or Chicago (UIC) are options?

fourthandshort, before we leave, just want to say that Clown99's last comments about section 8 and blonde daughters reveals a little more about what a doofus he or she is. This guy is an advisor in a high school?? Help us.

As for the growth and transformation of SIU, you can't discuss it without taking into account POLITICS, and also "legitimate" economic development issues. For years SIU got funding and opportunities (law school, med school, etc.) because that part of the state needed a boost, and the politicians got behind that.

Talk to the kids and parents after they visit the NIU campus, if that place is going to have a bounce back in enrollment the city of Dekalb is going to need to revitalize the area around the campus, when compared to ISU and UIC it is not even close. Heck, even their own fans admit that.

EIU and WIU have different problems, mainly location. EIU seems to be on the right path, doing some good things with marketing their school and adding programs.

 

[Jon99]

I think calling us Central Illinois St is a complete fallacy when most of our students come from the suburbs, U of I and ISU are the only state schools that attract a decent number of students from all regions of the state, so are much more state wide than the others.

SIU's main problem is SIUE and location, suburban kids can currently go to out of state schools as close or closer and for less money.. And who wants to spend 4 years in Carbondale?

NIU's biggest problem is Dekalb and their campus, an unattractive campus with nothing to do, that sits next to section 8 housing with high crime is not what a suburban family wants for their blonde daughter. And who wants to spend 4 years in Dekalb when Normal (ISU) or Chicago (UIC) are options?

fourthandshort, before we leave, just want to say that Clown99's last comments about section 8 and blonde daughters reveals a little more about what a doofus he or she is. This guy is an advisor in a high school?? Help us.

As for the growth and transformation of SIU, you can't discuss it without taking into account POLITICS, and also "legitimate" economic development issues. For years SIU got funding and opportunities (law school, med school, etc.) because that part of the state needed a boost, and the politicians got behind that.

He's not a counselor, he's a habitual liar (it may be pathological at this point). We have an entire thread on our home board logging his many personas, it's a little pathetic

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Seriously, your obsession with me is just a little creepy...

I would love to have an intelligent conversation about the problems NIU is having, but you have proven to be a total home that is unable to do that, when I mentioned before that NIU's declining enrollment would be a problem for the athletic department (about 3 years ago?), your board got completely undone and said I was wrong.. Was I?

 

[Total Red]

NIU and SIU have got it done in the past. They will still be around. If SIU had the name "Illinois State University", then things may look vastly different. NIU's mistake is its location. SIU's mistake is not changing the name. But both, imho, accomplished more than ISU.

Seriously? I don't know how NIU can claim location as a problem. The majority of students at state universities come from the Chicago suburbs so how can it be a problem to be the directional located closest?
If anybody has a location problem it's Illinois State. We're too close to Champaign. If you look at the colleges you listed at SIU the big difference came in 1970-1972 with the SIU school of Medicine and the SIU Law program. The powerful U of I lobby wouldn't want those located in Normal. So Illinois State continued to focus on quality undergraduate education. The result? Our enrollment has stayed strong while SIU-C and NIU have suffered declines. Illinois State is drawing better students with higher test scores.
I'm not convinced that SIU-C will be around as we know it. The state will continue to have severe budget problems. SIU-E now has a higher enrollement than SIU-C. There may not be a need for undergrad education at both campuses.

 

[fourthandshort]

fourthandshort, before we leave, just want to say that Clown99's last comments about section 8 and blonde daughters reveals a little more about what a doofus he or she is. This guy is an advisor in a high school?? Help us.

As for the growth and transformation of SIU, you can't discuss it without taking into account POLITICS, and also "legitimate" economic development issues. For years SIU got funding and opportunities (law school, med school, etc.) because that part of the state needed a boost, and the politicians got behind that.

He's not a counselor, he's a habitual liar (it may be pathological at this point). We have an entire thread on our home board logging his many personas, it's a little pathetic

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Seriously, your obsession with me is just a little creepy...

I would love to have an intelligent conversation about the problems NIU is having, but you have proven to be a total home that is unable to do that, when I mentioned before that NIU's declining enrollment would be a problem for the athletic department (about 3 years ago?), your board got completely undone and said I was wrong.. Was I?

jon ... did you or did you not post under multiple User Profiles on NIU and other boards ?

 

[Jon99]

NIU and SIU have got it done in the past. They will still be around. If SIU had the name "Illinois State University", then things may look vastly different. NIU's mistake is its location. SIU's mistake is not changing the name. But both, imho, accomplished more than ISU.

Seriously? I don't know how NIU can claim location as a problem. The majority of students at state universities come from the Chicago suburbs so how can it be a problem to be the directional located closest?
If anybody has a location problem it's Illinois State. We're too close to Champaign. If you look at the colleges you listed at SIU the big difference came in 1970-1972 with the SIU school of Medicine and the SIU Law program. The powerful U of I lobby wouldn't want those located in Normal. So Illinois State continued to focus on quality undergraduate education. The result? Our enrollment has stayed strong while SIU-C and NIU have suffered declines. Illinois State is drawing better students with higher test scores.
I'm not convinced that SIU-C will be around as we know it. The state will continue to have severe budget problems. SIU-E now has a higher enrollement than SIU-C. There may not be a need for undergrad education at both campuses.

I think location hurts them in three ways..

1. You want to spend 4 years in Dekalb?

2. When you were that age, did you want to be 30 minutes from mom and dad? Or 2 hours?

3. Commuter school

 

[Jon99]

He's not a counselor, he's a habitual liar (it may be pathological at this point). We have an entire thread on our home board logging his many personas, it's a little pathetic

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Seriously, your obsession with me is just a little creepy...

I would love to have an intelligent conversation about the problems NIU is having, but you have proven to be a total home that is unable to do that, when I mentioned before that NIU's declining enrollment would be a problem for the athletic department (about 3 years ago?), your board got completely undone and said I was wrong.. Was I?

jon ... did you or did you not post under multiple User Profiles on NIU and other boards ?

I had a few NIU board accounts blocked, never violated their terms, they just didn't want to hear the truth, which BTW has come to fruition exactly as I said. They chose to make it personal rather than act like adults. I currently have an account there, but don't use it much. This is the only account I have had here, I have had an account on the Illini board for a few years.