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[Cindy00]

Also, tearing down Horton also means a new pool, a new indoor track (yes, that is a sport) and a new practice gym at least. Are those all in the plans of the indoor facility that we aren't anywhere near building?

Gymnastics also has meets in Horton since their season is the same time as basketball. You can walk into Horton during most working hours and there are athletes working out in there. Softball and baseball both do indoor training in Horton. Gamma Phi Circus is also housed in Horton so they would need new space also. And for those you that only care about the money sports, the big thing about tearing down Horton is then getting stands, concessions, bathrooms, etc built in its place for football.

It'd be great to have a nice new building for all these events but we all know it will cost a lot of money. We can try to find big donors but ISU as a whole doesn't have the big donors and with the way Illinois is right now it is getting harder and harder to find them. As ISU gets less money from the state each year that also means that athletics is also competing even more with every other department on campus for alums money. Most people donate to things that mean something to them and since some of you on here really want this indoor facility I'm sure you've all donated money towards it.

 

[ricohill]

Also, tearing down Horton also means a new pool, a new indoor track (yes, that is a sport) and a new practice gym at least. Are those all in the plans of the indoor facility that we aren't anywhere near building?

I agree with you on this. Those have to be in the new plans. How can track continue to practice in Horton? It's not safe and it's not regulation size. They need a new pool. That is why they can't keep patching things together. The longer they go without coming up with a solution for a practice facility the worse things get for everyone.

I am all for making the training room happen, but I am against giving money to repair Horton and kick the can down the road for a real solution.

 

[redbirdfan04]

Also, tearing down Horton also means a new pool, a new indoor track (yes, that is a sport) and a new practice gym at least. Are those all in the plans of the indoor facility that we aren't anywhere near building?

Would the west side of Horton really have to be replaced, as well?

Chuckie, from what I understand they would have to tear the entire thing down. It would cost more to save part of it and then do a remodel on the part they save then to just tear it all down and rebuild new.

 

[Cindy00]

Also, tearing down Horton also means a new pool, a new indoor track (yes, that is a sport) and a new practice gym at least. Are those all in the plans of the indoor facility that we aren't anywhere near building?

I agree with you on this. Those have to be in the new plans. How can track continue to practice in Horton? It's not safe and it's not regulation size. They need a new pool. That is why they can't keep patching things together. The longer they go without coming up with a solution for a practice facility the worse things get for everyone.

I am all for making the training room happen, but I am against giving money to repair Horton and kick the can down the road for a real solution.

Did you look at any of the information about the fundraising for the "training room?" It shows the equipment they are buying for the room. They are using space that is already in Horton. My educated guess is that there is no room in Redbird for this equipment to be stored so they are re purposing a room in Horton. Most of the things they are looking to buy will be going with teams on the road. The softball AT talked about a piece of equipment that would really help out when they have 4-5 games in a 4 day stretch. That is just one example of things that the AT would like to help their student athletes out on the road and at home. There are things that will stay in the room but this money isn't going to build the room. Athletic Training has changed a lot in the last few years. There is more equipment out there for AT's to use on athletes. Athletic trainers are doing a lot more things that in the past only medical professionals were allowed to do. As a whole, the university is short on space. Faculty/Staff office space is hard to come by, space has to be found for new labs on campus. So whatever space athletics already has on hand they need to use.

 

[SgtHulka]

If you need a better source to give to, the coaching staff is looking into a state of the art strategic planning system

 

[Reggie Redbird]

I love it. The Kool Aid crew actually somewhat using facts for once. Caught me off guard. Good to see Larry has given someone his resume. I don’t really consider suite sales as fundraising, but I’ll give it to you. Other than Larry had really nothing to do with that.

The golf practice facility. Still my favorite donation in ISU history.

When you say "somewhat", can you clarify what wasn't factual? Suite sales include a donation to the renovation, so it is directly fundraising.

I think the College of Business donations have had some of the greatest impact to the university as a whole, but if the golf gift materializes in full, it will be a great one is well. I am only saying “if” because a previous large athletic gift became a lot smaller than publicized/promoted/expected.

Aren’t all sponsorship sales Learfield? If so, would the donations associated with those sales be credited to them? Fundraising from people due to their generosity is different than requiring people to make a “donation” to get tickets. It’s essentially a PSL.

I am more comfortable with private, non-required donations now that it’s under Sean Johnson and Chris Highland than before. I would venture Chris is a big reason we saw the NFL Birds back.

 

[isuquinndog]

Agreed, love they added Chris to the department.

 

[bb fan]

For some, however we raise money is "too late, too little, extortion, whatever".

How any other U does it is of course wonderful.

There is no way to separate the fieldhouse portion from the rest of the Horton (west side). Just tearing down the building would cost over $10 million. More than the cost of building a whole new indoor facility on it's own footprint, the current football practice field. The roof needs to be fixed, now. $1.4 million just approved by the BOT.

Back to the original topic. Tomorrow is a terrific day to support our beloved U. I encourage everyone to do so.

 

[redbirds2000]

Here you go. All of you saying "Athletics doesn't ask for money for projects" here's your chance to directly support a project for basketball.

https://twitter.com/ISURedbirds/status/1100432546029096960

How about going to an NCAA tournament or two! Good way to generate money!

Nailed it!

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[TheTruth]

Here you go. All of you saying "Athletics doesn't ask for money for projects" here's your chance to directly support a project for basketball.

https://twitter.com/ISURedbirds/status/1100432546029096960

How about going to an NCAA tournament or two! Good way to generate money!

So they should wait until their teams are successful before they try and raise money for the types of things that help their teams be successful? Isn't that the line of thinking that got Illinois State into the facilities hole they're in now?

 

[PK88]

That was also a joke. I don’t have a problem with the club seats model except if I pay for a premium seat, you would think you would get premium food and drink. Having the burden of experience and knowledge (which can be a heavy burden here) outside of going to ISU games, I know what other schools offer for the same price you pay. If you do a cost benefit analysis the club seats aren’t worth the money.

I know people that are not renewing their seats there for that reason. They are tired of ISU nickel and dimeing them for being loyal. The club seats aren’t new and this is usually just about the drop off point for all new stadiums. When stadiums open you get people to go just because it’s new. ISU dropped its football ticket prices because I think it was seeing attendance numbers plummet.

Back on topic. I’m glad ISU is building a state-of-the art training center 10 years behind everyone else. However, if what I read or heard is correct this is going in Horton? Or at least they are building some training facility in Horton?

So not only are we putting in 1.8 million for a new roof and surface in that building, we are putting in an athletic training facility?? I’m all for this project, but the long term planning for ISU athletics is baffling.

Could you show this cost benefit analysis? It’s easy to just say things, it’s another to do them. I could say “if you do a cost benefit analysis, the club seats are really worth it.” Now we’ve both just said a different side with no evidence.

What is this drop off point? Is there some national research you can point to that shows the drop off point of new premium seating areas?

Nothing is being built in Horton. The recovery room items will be housed in an old weight room that isn’t in use. It’s making the most of a space that is unused. Where do you suggest this goes if you’re not wanting it in Horton?

When I say cost benefit analysis....you can pay the same or less for a better premium experience at Wisconsin and Illinois. I have done both and they are first class. I don't think it should cost me more for premium seating and get less for FCS football.

https://supportthebadgers.athletics.wisc.edu/TicketsAndParking/Football

https://premiumseating.fightingillini.com/

Look up the "Hooneymoon effect". There is plenty of data that attendance spikes and dips with new stadiums. I don't have time to get links.

I want this space built in a new indoor facility. The only money I want spent on Horton Fieldhouse is the bulldozer that knocks it down. Stop patching things together and put together a real plan for athletics facilities and fundraising.

I googled: "Honeymoon Effect Stadiums", "Honeymoon Effect Sports", "Honeymoon Effect College Athletics", and "Honeymoon Effect Ticket Sales" and came up with a study from MLB stadiums published in 2005 and a study on NBA attendance published in 2000. I was unable to find anything about a drop off point like you referenced. Could you please post links when you have time so we can see what you're talking about?

Illinois State Club Seat:
$250 capital campaign
$500 WSF
$250 season ticket
$1,000 one year lease
Single Game: $50
Food included: No
Alcohol included: No

Illinois "77 Club" Seat:
$3,644 one year lease ($2,644 more expensive)
Single Game: $465 or $500 ($415-$450 more expensive)
Food Included: Free pre-game, not included during game
Alcohol Included: Free pre-game, not included during game

Illinois "Colonnades Club" Seat:
$999 for new members for one year (Same price)
$2,527 one year lease outside 10-yard line ($1,527 more expensive)
$3,608 one year lease inside the 30-yard lines ($2,608 more expensive)
Single Game: $300 or $350 ($250-$300 more expensive)
Food Included: No
Alcohol Included: No

Wisconsin "Buckingham Club" Seat:
$4,200 one year lease ($3,200 more expensive)
Single Game: not available for purchase
Food Included: Yes
Alcohol Included: No

Wisconsin "Varsity Club: Seat:
$2,000 one year lease ($1,000 more expensive)
Single Game: not available for purchase
Food Included: No
Alcohol Included: No

Unless I'm missing something on the prices, you actually cannot "pay the same or less for a better premium experience at Wisconsin and Illinois."

 

[SgtHulka]

 

[Redbird28]

I believe that's called a mic drop.

 

[ricohill]

Could you show this cost benefit analysis? It’s easy to just say things, it’s another to do them. I could say “if you do a cost benefit analysis, the club seats are really worth it.” Now we’ve both just said a different side with no evidence.

What is this drop off point? Is there some national research you can point to that shows the drop off point of new premium seating areas?

Nothing is being built in Horton. The recovery room items will be housed in an old weight room that isn’t in use. It’s making the most of a space that is unused. Where do you suggest this goes if you’re not wanting it in Horton?

When I say cost benefit analysis....you can pay the same or less for a better premium experience at Wisconsin and Illinois. I have done both and they are first class. I don't think it should cost me more for premium seating and get less for FCS football.

https://supportthebadgers.athletics.wisc.edu/TicketsAndParking/Football

https://premiumseating.fightingillini.com/

Look up the "Hooneymoon effect". There is plenty of data that attendance spikes and dips with new stadiums. I don't have time to get links.

I want this space built in a new indoor facility. The only money I want spent on Horton Fieldhouse is the bulldozer that knocks it down. Stop patching things together and put together a real plan for athletics facilities and fundraising.

I googled: "Honeymoon Effect Stadiums", "Honeymoon Effect Sports", "Honeymoon Effect College Athletics", and "Honeymoon Effect Ticket Sales" and came up with a study from MLB stadiums published in 2005 and a study on NBA attendance published in 2000. I was unable to find anything about a drop off point like you referenced. Could you please post links when you have time so we can see what you're talking about?

Illinois State Club Seat:
$250 capital campaign
$500 WSF
$250 season ticket
$1,000 one year lease
Single Game: $50
Food included: No
Alcohol included: No

Illinois "77 Club" Seat:
$3,644 one year lease ($2,644 more expensive)
Single Game: $465 or $500 ($415-$450 more expensive)
Food Included: Free pre-game, not included during game
Alcohol Included: Free pre-game, not included during game

Illinois "Colonnades Club" Seat:
$999 for new members for one year (Same price)
$2,527 one year lease outside 10-yard line ($1,527 more expensive)
$3,608 one year lease inside the 30-yard lines ($2,608 more expensive)
Single Game: $300 or $350 ($250-$300 more expensive)
Food Included: No
Alcohol Included: No

Wisconsin "Buckingham Club" Seat:
$4,200 one year lease ($3,200 more expensive)
Single Game: not available for purchase
Food Included: Yes
Alcohol Included: No

Wisconsin "Varsity Club: Seat:
$2,000 one year lease ($1,000 more expensive)
Single Game: not available for purchase
Food Included: No
Alcohol Included: No

Unless I'm missing something on the prices, you actually cannot "pay the same or less for a better premium experience at Wisconsin and Illinois."

You win. You did the math and got me. Even I make mistakes. I’m big enough to admit them.

Granted the first year in the "Colonnades Club” is $899 and “Varsity Club” is $2,000. Also, except for years like this upcoming one for ISU those schools have an additional home game. Unless you are the Illini and give one away to Chicago. So you divide the price by 7 instead of 6.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

When I saw #BirdsGiveBack, I assumed I would be getting a refund for an underachieving season.

 

[isuquinndog]

Anyway.....today's the day. You want ISU to be better in all sports or even just basketball? STEP UP.

 

[isuquinndog]

I put the donate link in the first post.

 

[isuquinndog]

Athletics has raised $4,835 so far!

 

[Adunk33]

https://twitter.com/Johnson_Sean/status/1101143850914074624

 

[ricohill]

Athletics has raised $4,835 so far!

https://twitter.com/Johnson_Sean/status/1101143850914074624

Looks like more so far. Assuming they had donations lined up behind the scenes. I made a donation online. Hope others do as well. We need to catch up with other teams at our level.