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[ricohill]

I love it. The Kool Aid crew actually somewhat using facts for once. Caught me off guard. Good to see Larry has given someone his resume. I don’t really consider suite sales as fundraising, but I’ll give it to you. Other than Larry had really nothing to do with that.

The golf practice facility. Still my favorite donation in ISU history.

When you say "somewhat", can you clarify what wasn't factual? Suite sales include a donation to the renovation, so it is directly fundraising.

If that is the case then every season ticket sale counts as fundraising since it comes with a donation.

My point with the somewhat was that Larry wasn't the one the sold those. It was Friedman. It's almost all the same people since the start. I would assume they are hurting with sales since the past two years I have been asked to move to the club seats.

https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/buzz-around-football-team-matching-hancock-construction/article_ffac95ea-974d-11e2-a6e9-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[PK88]

I love it. The Kool Aid crew actually somewhat using facts for once. Caught me off guard. Good to see Larry has given someone his resume. I don’t really consider suite sales as fundraising, but I’ll give it to you. Other than Larry had really nothing to do with that.

The golf practice facility. Still my favorite donation in ISU history.

When you say "somewhat", can you clarify what wasn't factual? Suite sales include a donation to the renovation, so it is directly fundraising.

If that is the case then every season ticket sale counts as fundraising since it comes with a donation.

My point with the somewhat was that Larry wasn't the one the sold those. It was Friedman. It's almost all the same people since the start. I would assume they are hurting with sales since the past two years I have been asked to move to the club seats.

https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/buzz-around-football-team-matching-hancock-construction/article_ffac95ea-974d-11e2-a6e9-001a4bcf887a.html

So, on one hand you feel the department doesn't do much and doesn't attempt to gain donors. But, they're upselling season ticket holders to club seats, which requires a capital gift and increased WSF gift, and have added two new clients in the suites the last two years after the initial five years - something Gary Friedman wouldn't be involved in. You like to comment on how those who don't agree with you don't deal in facts, yet you speculate they are "hurting with sales" and have what to back that up with? Not "every" season ticket comes with a donation. 103-105 for football and the lower bowl for men's basketball.

 

[ricohill]

When you say "somewhat", can you clarify what wasn't factual? Suite sales include a donation to the renovation, so it is directly fundraising.

If that is the case then every season ticket sale counts as fundraising since it comes with a donation.

My point with the somewhat was that Larry wasn't the one the sold those. It was Friedman. It's almost all the same people since the start. I would assume they are hurting with sales since the past two years I have been asked to move to the club seats.

https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/buzz-around-football-team-matching-hancock-construction/article_ffac95ea-974d-11e2-a6e9-001a4bcf887a.html

So, on one hand you feel the department doesn't do much and doesn't attempt to gain donors. But, they're upselling season ticket holders to club seats, which requires a capital gift and increased WSF gift, and have added two new clients in the suites the last two years after the initial five years - something Gary Friedman wouldn't be involved in. You like to comment on how those who don't agree with you don't deal in facts, yet you speculate they are "hurting with sales" and have what to back that up with? Not "every" season ticket comes with a donation. 103-105 for football and the lower bowl for men's basketball.

As I said, you have brought facts into this discussion. It is refreshing.

I don't have a problem with them upselling the club seats. It is a great idea. If you can extort people for more money (which for $5 beers and $10 nachos after paying that money, it's extortion). However, it wasn't Larry's idea and he wasn't the one that sold them.

 

[bb fan]

You make it PERSONAL, Rico. Assuming the poster has some sort of connection with having Lyon's resume. It's weak when another poster has to resort to nonsense like that.

 

[ricohill]

You make it PERSONAL, Rico. Assuming the poster has some sort of connection with having Lyon's resume. It's weak when another poster has to resort to nonsense like that.

It’s called sarcasm. Lighten up.

 

[SgtHulka]

Here you go. All of you saying "Athletics doesn't ask for money for projects" here's your chance to directly support a project for basketball.

https://twitter.com/ISURedbirds/status/1100432546029096960

You can practically smell the money rolling in. RBF steps up to the plate

 

[bb fan]

I'm fine, Rico. Pretty used to the snarky, personal jabs by now. Thanks to PK88 for delivering a straighforward, civil reply.

 

[bombay]

Is raising money good, or is it 'extortion'?

 

[Redbird Alum 2004]

Is raising money good, or is it 'extortion'?

Depends on the narrative you are trying to spin. For example, if Lyons is getting donations then it is extortion. If Lyons isn't getting donations then it is bad because donations are good. Hope that helps.

 

[ricohill]

Is raising money good, or is it 'extortion'?

That was also a joke. I don’t have a problem with the club seats model except if I pay for a premium seat, you would think you would get premium food and drink. Having the burden of experience and knowledge (which can be a heavy burden here) outside of going to ISU games, I know what other schools offer for the same price you pay. If you do a cost benefit analysis the club seats aren’t worth the money.

I know people that are not renewing their seats there for that reason. They are tired of ISU nickel and dimeing them for being loyal. The club seats aren’t new and this is usually just about the drop off point for all new stadiums. When stadiums open you get people to go just because it’s new. ISU dropped its football ticket prices because I think it was seeing attendance numbers plummet.

Back on topic. I’m glad ISU is building a state-of-the art training center 10 years behind everyone else. However, if what I read or heard is correct this is going in Horton? Or at least they are building some training facility in Horton?

So not only are we putting in 1.8 million for a new roof and surface in that building, we are putting in an athletic training facility?? I’m all for this project, but the long term planning for ISU athletics is baffling.

 

[PK88]

Is raising money good, or is it 'extortion'?

That was also a joke. I don’t have a problem with the club seats model except if I pay for a premium seat, you would think you would get premium food and drink. Having the burden of experience and knowledge (which can be a heavy burden here) outside of going to ISU games, I know what other schools offer for the same price you pay. If you do a cost benefit analysis the club seats aren’t worth the money.

I know people that are not renewing their seats there for that reason. They are tired of ISU nickel and dimeing them for being loyal. The club seats aren’t new and this is usually just about the drop off point for all new stadiums. When stadiums open you get people to go just because it’s new. ISU dropped its football ticket prices because I think it was seeing attendance numbers plummet.

Back on topic. I’m glad ISU is building a state-of-the art training center 10 years behind everyone else. However, if what I read or heard is correct this is going in Horton? Or at least they are building some training facility in Horton?

So not only are we putting in 1.8 million for a new roof and surface in that building, we are putting in an athletic training facility?? I’m all for this project, but the long term planning for ISU athletics is baffling.

Could you show this cost benefit analysis? It’s easy to just say things, it’s another to do them. I could say “if you do a cost benefit analysis, the club seats are really worth it.” Now we’ve both just said a different side with no evidence.

What is this drop off point? Is there some national research you can point to that shows the drop off point of new premium seating areas?

Nothing is being built in Horton. The recovery room items will be housed in an old weight room that isn’t in use. It’s making the most of a space that is unused. Where do you suggest this goes if you’re not wanting it in Horton?

 

[ricohill]

Is raising money good, or is it 'extortion'?

That was also a joke. I don’t have a problem with the club seats model except if I pay for a premium seat, you would think you would get premium food and drink. Having the burden of experience and knowledge (which can be a heavy burden here) outside of going to ISU games, I know what other schools offer for the same price you pay. If you do a cost benefit analysis the club seats aren’t worth the money.

I know people that are not renewing their seats there for that reason. They are tired of ISU nickel and dimeing them for being loyal. The club seats aren’t new and this is usually just about the drop off point for all new stadiums. When stadiums open you get people to go just because it’s new. ISU dropped its football ticket prices because I think it was seeing attendance numbers plummet.

Back on topic. I’m glad ISU is building a state-of-the art training center 10 years behind everyone else. However, if what I read or heard is correct this is going in Horton? Or at least they are building some training facility in Horton?

So not only are we putting in 1.8 million for a new roof and surface in that building, we are putting in an athletic training facility?? I’m all for this project, but the long term planning for ISU athletics is baffling.

Could you show this cost benefit analysis? It’s easy to just say things, it’s another to do them. I could say “if you do a cost benefit analysis, the club seats are really worth it.” Now we’ve both just said a different side with no evidence.

What is this drop off point? Is there some national research you can point to that shows the drop off point of new premium seating areas?

Nothing is being built in Horton. The recovery room items will be housed in an old weight room that isn’t in use. It’s making the most of a space that is unused. Where do you suggest this goes if you’re not wanting it in Horton?

When I say cost benefit analysis....you can pay the same or less for a better premium experience at Wisconsin and Illinois. I have done both and they are first class. I don't think it should cost me more for premium seating and get less for FCS football.

https://supportthebadgers.athletics.wisc.edu/TicketsAndParking/Football

https://premiumseating.fightingillini.com/

Look up the "Hooneymoon effect". There is plenty of data that attendance spikes and dips with new stadiums. I don't have time to get links.

I want this space built in a new indoor facility. The only money I want spent on Horton Fieldhouse is the bulldozer that knocks it down. Stop patching things together and put together a real plan for athletics facilities and fundraising.

 

[redbirdfan04]

That was also a joke. I don’t have a problem with the club seats model except if I pay for a premium seat, you would think you would get premium food and drink. Having the burden of experience and knowledge (which can be a heavy burden here) outside of going to ISU games, I know what other schools offer for the same price you pay. If you do a cost benefit analysis the club seats aren’t worth the money.

I know people that are not renewing their seats there for that reason. They are tired of ISU nickel and dimeing them for being loyal. The club seats aren’t new and this is usually just about the drop off point for all new stadiums. When stadiums open you get people to go just because it’s new. ISU dropped its football ticket prices because I think it was seeing attendance numbers plummet.

Back on topic. I’m glad ISU is building a state-of-the art training center 10 years behind everyone else. However, if what I read or heard is correct this is going in Horton? Or at least they are building some training facility in Horton?

So not only are we putting in 1.8 million for a new roof and surface in that building, we are putting in an athletic training facility?? I’m all for this project, but the long term planning for ISU athletics is baffling.

Could you show this cost benefit analysis? It’s easy to just say things, it’s another to do them. I could say “if you do a cost benefit analysis, the club seats are really worth it.” Now we’ve both just said a different side with no evidence.

What is this drop off point? Is there some national research you can point to that shows the drop off point of new premium seating areas?

Nothing is being built in Horton. The recovery room items will be housed in an old weight room that isn’t in use. It’s making the most of a space that is unused. Where do you suggest this goes if you’re not wanting it in Horton?

When I say cost benefit analysis....you can pay the same or less for a better premium experience at Wisconsin and Illinois. I have done both and they are first class. I don't think it should cost me more for premium seating and get less for FCS football.

https://supportthebadgers.athletics.wisc.edu/TicketsAndParking/Football

https://premiumseating.fightingillini.com/

Look up the "Hooneymoon effect". There is plenty of data that attendance spikes and dips with new stadiums. I don't have time to get links.

I want this space built in a new indoor facility. The only money I want spent on Horton Fieldhouse is the bulldozer that knocks it down. Stop patching things together and put together a real plan for athletics facilities and fundraising.

Rico, the cost to tear down Horton due to the amount of asbestos would be in the millions. I have asked a few of the plant operations guys at ISU and that seems to be the biggest issue with tearing it down and rebuilding for an indoor facility.

I have said this before, I support ISU in all areas( academics and athletics). I will never understand fans that take jabs at other fans, coaches, players, or administrators. I hope people that are able to donate today.

Go Birds!

 

[SgtHulka]

So. What i'm gathering from this thread is that everyone is excited about this new giving opportunity? Thanks for sharing it and getting the ball rolling Quinny!

 

[DoubleDeuce]

So. What i'm gathering from this thread is that everyone is excited about this new giving opportunity? Thanks for sharing it and getting the ball rolling Quinny!

I'm so inspired that I just donated to Bradley and Wichita State. Go Salukis!

 

[isuquinndog]

Also, tearing down Horton also means a new pool, a new indoor track (yes, that is a sport) and a new practice gym at least. Are those all in the plans of the indoor facility that we aren't anywhere near building?

 

[isuquinndog]

Also, where are these sports going to practice/compete if we have to tear down Horton to build the new? I would guess for at least one season, ISU swimming and diving are just screwed? Also the ISU track team and all the spring sports that use Horton to train for their seasons that have started already?

 

[PubIIDreaming]

 

[Cindy00]

That was also a joke. I don’t have a problem with the club seats model except if I pay for a premium seat, you would think you would get premium food and drink. Having the burden of experience and knowledge (which can be a heavy burden here) outside of going to ISU games, I know what other schools offer for the same price you pay. If you do a cost benefit analysis the club seats aren’t worth the money.

I know people that are not renewing their seats there for that reason. They are tired of ISU nickel and dimeing them for being loyal. The club seats aren’t new and this is usually just about the drop off point for all new stadiums. When stadiums open you get people to go just because it’s new. ISU dropped its football ticket prices because I think it was seeing attendance numbers plummet.

Back on topic. I’m glad ISU is building a state-of-the art training center 10 years behind everyone else. However, if what I read or heard is correct this is going in Horton? Or at least they are building some training facility in Horton?

So not only are we putting in 1.8 million for a new roof and surface in that building, we are putting in an athletic training facility?? I’m all for this project, but the long term planning for ISU athletics is baffling.

Could you show this cost benefit analysis? It’s easy to just say things, it’s another to do them. I could say “if you do a cost benefit analysis, the club seats are really worth it.” Now we’ve both just said a different side with no evidence.

What is this drop off point? Is there some national research you can point to that shows the drop off point of new premium seating areas?

Nothing is being built in Horton. The recovery room items will be housed in an old weight room that isn’t in use. It’s making the most of a space that is unused. Where do you suggest this goes if you’re not wanting it in Horton?

When I say cost benefit analysis....you can pay the same or less for a better premium experience at Wisconsin and Illinois. I have done both and they are first class. I don't think it should cost me more for premium seating and get less for FCS football.

https://supportthebadgers.athletics.wisc.edu/TicketsAndParking/Football

https://premiumseating.fightingillini.com/

Look up the "Hooneymoon effect". There is plenty of data that attendance spikes and dips with new stadiums. I don't have time to get links.

I want this space built in a new indoor facility. The only money I want spent on Horton Fieldhouse is the bulldozer that knocks it down. Stop patching things together and put together a real plan for athletics facilities and fundraising.

Can you please show the math on how both of those are cheaper? I must be missing some pricing in there somewhere. Looking at Wisconsin the donation/seat license or whatever you want to call it is much more than at ISU and I'm guessing you still have to buy tickets. You do get food and non-alcoholic drinks at some levels but it doesn't sound like you do at the cheapest version and alcohol isn't included with any of the club seats. Considering the cheapest regular seat ticket at Wisconsin was $57 last year I'm guessing any of their club seats were much more than the $48 (I think that was the value put on Homecoming tickets) a club seat cost for our expensive games last year.

 

[chuckie1980]

Also, tearing down Horton also means a new pool, a new indoor track (yes, that is a sport) and a new practice gym at least. Are those all in the plans of the indoor facility that we aren't anywhere near building?

Would the west side of Horton really have to be replaced, as well?